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Winter Miles, Summer Smiles
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Katie Ledecky, Katie Ledecky, Katie Ledecky!!!
Make sure you read about her 400 IM! Holy cow!!! And looking at the video, it looks like she was in 5th after the breaststroke and not 4th, like the article says, which makes her freestye leg even more impressive. What a closer she is. And faster free split than the men? Wow. My hero.
http://reachforthewall.com/2015/11/13/in-400-im-a-glimpse-at-katie-ledeckys-future/0 -
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Mon Masters swim with 400mTT
400 warmup
10*50 as (25k, 25sw; 10s)
400mTT (5:48)
10*75 (25 each BE3,5,7; 10s)
Better, more controlled, but more control needed. Still went out a little too fast (1:20 for first 100m), and died between 250-350m, but all that is to be expected. Overall this felt more comfortable than usual TT's, swimming within myself rather than swimming in lactate. I had targeted 1:27/100m av pace beforehand, knew I would go off faster than this but wanted to keep the first 100m over 1:20, so in that sense I hit the target. Its a slight PB too, by a couple of seconds, so I should be happy... and yet I know I left something out there. Could have gone under 5:45 tonight. Never happy
A look at the Garmin scores confirms something I've inherently believed: I'm a lot quicker with a longer stroke, and slow down with a higher cadence. Further battles ahead with El Coachio 0 -
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maybe for you Kurt but i dont think this applies to everyone (i am not suggesting that you say it does either).
This log is an offence-free zone, all advice is taken in good faith (without the need for caveats) No it doesn't apply to everyone, or even to most, I'd say. My current tri coach has told me higher cadence (classic choppy Tri style) is the way to go, as did a previous tri-swimmer coach. My current swim coach is encouraging a longer stroke with a slight reach/glide, based on what he sees at the pool, and its getting me faster in the pool, both for short and long stuff (recent 1,500mTT done at 1:34/100m pace).How do you think your pool speed and long style transfers to open water? i have the perception from looking at your log intermittently that your pool swim times are quite good, a bit faster than me i think, but then you dont race as fast i would expect you to (from what limited bits i garner from your log)
The obvious difference is the wall, so perhaps I'm getting large benefit from it (either a strong kick off, or a slight rest). But I don't think my kick off is particularly strong, and I (mostly) tumble now so any rest is limited. I don't draft in the pool (but obviously do in races). As mentioned above I outperform in choppy seas, do ok in flat lakes, and underperform in downstream or withtide races. This suggests to me that I've good upper body strength for swimming, with poor streamline- I can fight into the water quite well, but struggle to work with it. So I've to work more on position and rotation, something I've been doing lately in the pool.
On the long style specifically- the aim is to swim long, with a good reach, slight glide on entry, and solid backend exit. Getting more distance per stroke. If I think back over last seasons OW races, the times I struggled was when I had a higher cadence/shorter stroke. The times I pushed on in races was when I consciously lengthened the stroke. Obviously there will be times when choppy conditions call for greater cadence, but in general using my length has served me well. The proof will be next seasons races- I agree that OW performances to date haven't mirrored what my pool times would suggest.
I have a lot of faith in my current swim coach- he is superb on the deck, and the feedback is precise. If my 100-400m pool times were getting quicker, but longer pool stuff static, I'd question the use in what I'm currently doing. But the fact that my 400-1,500m pool times are improving so much, is proof enough for me that a lengthened stroke is getting better results.0 -
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Kurt_Godel wrote: »The obvious difference is the wall, so perhaps I'm getting large benefit from it (either a strong kick off, or a slight rest). But I don't think my kick off is particularly strong, and I (mostly) tumble now so any rest is limited. I don't draft in the pool (but obviously do in races). As mentioned above I outperform in choppy seas, do ok in flat lakes, and underperform in downstream or withtide races. This suggests to me that I've good upper body strength for swimming, with poor streamline- I can fight into the water quite well, but struggle to work with it. So I've to work more on position and rotation, something I've been doing lately in the pool.
Just my 2 cents...speaking in very brief, general terms....and assuming your "outperform/underperform" assessment is based on how you "perform" compared to the other swimmers in the water with you: a wetsuit is an equalizer....a downstream/with tide race further erodes the advantage a better swimmer would have....and a choppy sea would play to the strength of a stronger swimmer.
Two more things - even tumble turning allows you a nice rest....and if you want to get better at OW swimming, then you need to OW swim more. As a very wise ecoli once told me, there is no substitute for specificity. I think the spirit of that message applies here. Sometimes it's just that simple. 0 -
Just my 2 cents...speaking in very brief, general terms....and assuming your "outperform/underperform" assessment is based on how you "perform" compared to the other swimmers in the water with you: a wetsuit is an equalizer....a downstream/with tide race further erodes the advantage a better swimmer would have....and a choppy sea would play to the strength of a stronger swimmer.
Very true, I've often thought on the wetsuit being a factor which normalizes abilities. The one downstream only race I've done had everyone exiting in a very tight range. During Athy this year (3km river up/down/up/down) I was left standing on the downstream, but could make up ground going up. But the way I look at it (at all swimming in fact) is that if people are going faster than me going downstream then there is a technique I need to learn to swim downstream faster.Two more things - even tumble turning allows you a nice rest....and if you want to get better at OW swimming, then you need to OW swim more. As a very wise ecoli once told me, there is no substitute for specificity. I think the spirit of that message applies here.
For some reason I've shut up shop until April in the OW- yet there are still several locals swimming around Arklow year round. This needs to be addressed.Sometimes it's just that simple.
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Wed 40mins easy run (143HR av)
I'm still getting used to the HRM. The first 2km of this run I struggled to keep the HR under 160, even though the pace was no faster than the rest, just a jog really. Anyway, it then went down and I kept it under 145. 5:35min/km for 7.17k.
But those numbers do no justice to a swirling dusk evening run on wet leaves and windfallen branches after the storm.
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Thurs 60min easy turbo
I couldn't get over this spin, kept it easy, 166W average, but the HR was displaying a steady 55-60... ok it was easy effort but surely it should have been a lot higher? Put in a little more effort and it only went up to around 65....???
Just looked on Garmin Connect and realised I had been looking at the cadence figures on the display, as HR was 110bpm... 0 -
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Did that running session happy three weeks before a humiliation in a running race? That could be the link for you.
This was back in the Middle ages, way before the Garmin era. Back then I relied on honesty to know how well a competitor was training. Now I can just look on Garmin Connect and smile 0 -
Kurt_Godel wrote: »This was back in the Middle ages, way before the Garmin era. Back then I relied on honesty to know how well a competitor was training. Now I can just look on Garmin Connect and smile
You know I use a Tomtom and an SRM as well as a garmin and combine the three in Trainingpeaks?0 -
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Sun 2:30 turbo
Long and boring. It was a great morning to be out, but I was working on swim club stuff all weekend, and this morning/afternoon are taken up with that. A long boring turbo is endured rather than enjoyed, and leads to a cranky mood.
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Mon 5.18k easy run; 2,750m Masters swim
I've been working very hard recently- taken on way too much. The weekend was a blur of paperwork, today was a nightmare dealing with the twin evils of Governmental bureaucracy and self-entitled tech support... 8 hours wasted to tick a box via "technology", when a pencil would have sufficed. So thats the background to todays training.
Run:
Very cold, very frosty, a route I would otherwise have enjoyed, failed to lift the pending work mood. But it did make it somewhat more bearable.
Swim:
Again, didn't feel like going, but am glad I did now. Most of the session was 3rd in a train so there was a strong draft. No matter, I worked on form and streamline, and on tumbles in a train. Didn't take anyones eyes out so thats a bonus
6*75 as (50sw25k; 25sw50k; 75k; repeat)
8*200 alternate on 3:00, 3:30
10*50 as (25 backward fly, 25sw)
200 easy
backward fly- that was a new one on me. Fun, but I got half the pool up my nose.0 -
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