Local Property Tax vote

RosieJoe

This is taken from Nicola Lawless's Facebook page

I was asked to put up the vote from today's 15% increase of the LPT


The following voted to increase the Tax, John Ryan FG, Chris Fox IND, Pat Vance FF, Brendan Thornhill IND,, Steven Mathews Green,, Pat Fitzgerald FF, Pat Casey FF, Miriam Murphy IND, Jennifer Whitmore IND, Derek Mitchell FG, Grainne Mc Loughlin FG, Jim Ruttle IND, Pat Kennedy FF, Pat Doran FF, Tommy Annesley FF, Sylvester Burke FG, Daire Nolan IND, Gerry WalshFF, Shay Cullen FG, Vincent Blake FG, Edward Timmins FG, Derek Mitchell FG,

The following voted to reduce the tax, John Brady SF, John Snell SF, Oliver O Brien SF, Gerry O'Neill SF, Nicola Lawless SF, Mary Mc Donald SF, Pat Kavanagh IND, Joe Behan IND,


2 councillors abstained Tommy Cullen IND, Tom Fortune IND.

This is a change to last years stance: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=92310935&postcount=1

Cerco

Does this mean the tax is set at the nominal value since it was 15% below nominal or is it nominal + 15% ? 😠

RosieJoe

From Cllr Brady

It's back to the base rate which is an increase of 15% on last year

Alun

It's back to the base rate which is an increase of 15% on last year

No it isn't, that isn't the way percentages work ... if you reduce something by 15%, then to bring it back up to the original level, it's an increase of (1 / 0.85) = 1.1765, i.e. an increase of 17.65% on the previous value.

RosieJoe

From the Irish Times on 25/09

The tax is collected by the Revenue Commissioners, but councillors in each local authority have the power to decide to increase or decrease the rate charged in their area by up to 15 per cent each year.

Minister for the Environment Alan Kelly said earlier this month that local authorities who gave reductions for 2015 could do so again for 2016, at the same rate, without losing any central Government funding.

Looks like the 15% increase is on last years rate, which as Mr PedanticAlun points out is slightly less then the original rate

Alun

RosieJoe wrote: »

Looks like the 15% increase is on last years rate, which as Mr Pedantic Alun points out is slightly less then the original rate

I take that as a compliment

Hoagy

According to Myles Buchanan in the Wicklow People "Property tax stays the same"

I was a little bit confused so I rang WCC and spoke to the Revenue section who confirmed that there was a 15% discount which is not being renewed for next year.

So the property tax will go from 85% of the base rate to 100% of the base rate, which is actually an increase of 17.65%.

Annasopra

I'm actually quite happy with this. Noone wants to pay more tax but to be honest I am happy to do so when I see what it is proposed to spend it on.

Cllr Daire Nolan and Cllr Christopher Fox outlined this on their facebook pages.

It's hilarious that SF and the Far Left in Ireland claim to be socialist but oppose property tax and oppose spending local property taxes on increased public services.

A motion yesterday to provide €2,750,000 in additional funding to the Wicklow County Counci Budget was passed yesterday with an indicative list outlining areas that should be funded. Among the areas suggested included:
-€230,000 for homelessness
-€250,000 for disabled/elderly grants to keep people in their own home.
-€500,000 for economic development including a rates incentive scheme for struggling business's
-€160,000 for the provision of playgrounds in the county.
-€100,000 for new books for our libraries as well as staff for the new library in arklow.
There are other key areas and services to be funded also.
8 councillors voted against providing this funding and voted to see cuts taking place across Wicklow to the tune of between two and a half and three million euro.

loyatemu

Don't like paying tax, but I also like seeing bins emptied, roads fixed etc so I've no problem with this. It was ridiculous councillors complaining of services being cut whilst simultaneously voting to reduce the council's income - a total abdication of responsibility.

vinpaul

I see that Wicklow County Council has removed the 15% reduction that they made for 2015 Property Tax. There has been very little reaction to this which in effect is an increase in the tax for all home owners.
How can councillors do this and on what basis. Our near neighbours in all 4 Dublin electoral areas have decided to leave the reduction in place for another year at least. Why is Wicklow so different?

loyatemu

vinpaul wrote: »

I see that Wicklow County Council has removed the 15% reduction that they made for 2015 Property Tax. There has been very little reaction to this which in effect is an increase in the tax for all home owners.
How can councillors do this and on what basis. Our near neighbours in all 4 Dublin electoral areas have decided to leave the reduction in place for another year at least. Why is Wicklow so different?

they need the money to fund essential services?