Passport card finally on the way.

ohnonotgmail

colmulhall wrote: »

That's the issue I have with these changes.

well then dont get one if it doesnt suit you. there are not compulsory.

OhDearyMe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you need to improve your reading comprehension. when a poster says that all euro countries BAR the UK and some others have national identity cards and then you try to correct them by saying that the UK dont have identity cards then its you that looks foolish. Admit you made a mistake and take it on the chin like a man.

Eh..relax? Hardly that much of a deal.

ohnonotgmail

OhDearyMe wrote: »

Eh..relax? Hardly that much of a deal.

and you are?

OhDearyMe

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

and you are?

A poster on Boards. You?

ohnonotgmail

OhDearyMe wrote: »

A poster on Boards. You?

somebody who doesnt give a fiddlers what you think.

petrolcan

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

you need to improve your reading comprehension. when a poster says that all euro countries BAR the UK and some others have national identity cards and then you try to correct them by saying that the UK dont have identity cards then its you that looks foolish. Admit you made a mistake and take it on the chin like a man.

Did you climb out of bed the wrong side this morning?

My reply was an admission that I'd got it wrong.

enda1

spiralism wrote: »

All European countries bar ourselves, the UK (of course we'd be following their lead), Norway (non EU), Iceland (same) and Denmark have national identity cards. We're bringing in one now and Norway in 2017. So that answers your first question.

Also, i've personally seen Identity cards being accepted in other EU countries as travel documents. So yeah, they'll be accepted.

We're not bringing one in now. This is not a national identity card.

random_guy

323 wrote: »

Another unnecessary waste of money, It is already possible to travel inside the EU without a passport. All that was needed was a EU recognized Driving License/ID.



Why not get a second passport?

Irish people can not get second passports.
When i hand in my passport for a visa I technically have no ID. It also leaves me unable to travel.

Many of my colleagues on the other hand have their national ID as well as 2 passports.

asherbassad

JumpShivers wrote: »

Ireland's passport card is finally on track to bring launched.

About bloody time too. It was always burdensome having to lug a full passport book when only going to mainland Europe.

This can also act as a good and credible form of ID.

If you lose it, it's not like losing a full passport book in terms of getting Garda stamps and restricting further applications of passport.


http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0930/731505-passport-cards/


I, for one, welcome these.

:pac:

Is your full passport actually a stone tablet?

IRLConor

random_guy wrote: »

Irish people can not get second passports.

Yes we can:

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/switzerland/passports/top-passport-questions/second-passport-for-business-purposes/

munchkin_utd

random_guy wrote: »

Irish people can not get second passports.
When i hand in my passport for a visa I technically have no ID. It also leaves me unable to travel.

Many of my colleagues on the other hand have their national ID as well as 2 passports.

well, you can get a second Irish passport but that is only in very exceptional circumstances , so normally folks that travel to the likes of Russia and China and other countries without visa waivers, and have their passport constantly away as part of a visa application for one country or the other

NachoBusiness

I lost my licence and am unable to apply for a new one as I don't have a passport. Passed my NCT recently and they were unable to give me the cert as a result. Have been given a Cert of Identity form by the NDLS to get filled in but local Gardai say they can't sign it as they don't know me. GP has gone away on some mid life crisis retreat and won't be back for a year. My bank manager doesn't know me to see either, nor do any local TDs. I basically don't exist.

MillField

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

well then dont get one if it doesnt suit you. there are not compulsory.

They are for driving licenses.

murpho999

colmulhall wrote: »

They are for driving licenses.

He means these passport cards are not compulsory.

The new driving licence is a definite improvement of the old parchment we used to have.

MillField

murpho999 wrote: »

He means these passport cards are not compulsory.

The new driving licence is a definite improvement of the old parchment we used to have.

Totally agree that they are an improvement. I'll just have to live with the fear of losing my wallet I guess!

323

random_guy wrote: »

Irish people can not get second passports.
When i hand in my passport for a visa I technically have no ID. It also leaves me unable to travel.

Many of my colleagues on the other hand have their national ID as well as 2 passports.

You can get a second Irish passport, had one in the past.

Though a number of Irish guys I've worked with seem to have absolutely no problem getting them, I found the passport office to be quite difficult about it. So as hold a British passport too, got a second one of these instead, was much less hassle (cheaper too).

murpho999

colmulhall wrote: »

Totally agree that they are an improvement. I'll just have to live with the fear of losing my wallet I guess!

But I'd have kept my old licence in my wallet anyway so I don't see the difference.

Losing your wallet is never a good idea anyway.

darkpagandeath

What's the point in this is a current government quango going to look after it or will they set-up another one to deal with just these. You don't need a passport to go to the UK for example never been asked for on on the boat. Just a guy when you come back asking nationality if you say an EU one you don't even get stopped.

If we are going down this rout I don't see the need to have a passport and these. As the card will just be a copy of the back page in the passport with a chip/pin/sim in it. No idea really in this day and age it's not just an app that you sink from your phone to the scanner in the airport and that transfers the key to view your file from a database.

Snickers Man

Passport cards??

Passport cards can kiss my ass!!

I want an implant with APDU technology so I can be processed "contactlessly" as I go through the metal detector in an airport.

Let's get with the 21st century people.

random_guy

IRLConor wrote: »

Yes we can:

https://www.dfa.ie/irish-embassy/switzerland/passports/top-passport-questions/second-passport-for-business-purposes/

That is incredible.
I've searched for this before and even asked someone I know who works for the dept. Of foreign affairs and never heard of it.

Now it is of course useless as I'll be getting the passport card.

5starpool

darkpagandeath wrote: »

What's the point in this is a current government quango going to look after it or will they set-up another one to deal with just these. You don't need a passport to go to the UK for example never been asked for on on the boat. Just a guy when you come back asking nationality if you say an EU one you don't even get stopped.

If we are going down this rout I don't see the need to have a passport and these. As the card will just be a copy of the back page in the passport with a chip/pin/sim in it. No idea really in this day and age it's not just an app that you sink from your phone to the scanner in the airport and that transfers the key to view your file from a database.

You don't need a passport to the UK unless you are flying Ryanair, which is a pretty common way to travel there.

darkpagandeath

5starpool wrote: »

You don't need a passport to the UK unless you are flying Ryanair, which is a pretty common way to travel there.

Is that not just Ryanair policy though.

keithclancy

NachoBusiness wrote: »

I lost my licence and am unable to apply for a new one as I don't have a passport. Passed my NCT recently and they were unable to give me the cert as a result. Have been given a Cert of Identity form by the NDLS to get filled in but local Gardai say they can't sign it as they don't know me. GP has gone away on some mid life crisis retreat and won't be back for a year. My bank manager doesn't know me to see either, nor do any local TDs. I basically don't exist.

Ask to speak to his/her superior... The Gardas job is to witness you signing the form, doesn't matter if they know you or not.

MillField

murpho999 wrote: »

But I'd have kept my old licence in my wallet anyway so I don't see the difference.

Losing your wallet is never a good idea anyway.

I find the old licence too bulky for the wallet which meant it lived in my car. Obviously I have no plans to lose my wallet and hope to god it doesnt happen, but it my passport, license and other cards were all to go missing on one go that would be awful frustrating.

That being said cards are definitely the way to go for these things.

jimgoose

I suppose these new passport cards are a decent enough idea for those who do a lot of hopping over-and-back to the Continong. Personally I don't think I need it, as I have a driver's license with me all the time and the regular passport for those occasions when I leave the country. But do you know what gets right up my left nostril about this? Do you? I shall tell you - the fact that a regular book-passport lasts ten years, and these new things, running parallel beside them in chopped-down, easy-to-carry, convenient Euro-ID form, last five. Why??

0ph0rce0

jimgoose wrote: »

I suppose these new passport cards are a decent enough idea for those who do a lot of hopping over-and-back to the Continong. Personally I don't think I need it, as I have a driver's license with me all the time and the regular passport for those occasions when I leave the country. But do you know what gets right up my left nostril about this? Do you? I shall tell you - the fact that a regular book-passport lasts ten years, and these new things, running parallel beside them in chopped-down, easy-to-carry, convenient Euro-ID form, last five. Why??

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

jimgoose

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Oh indeed. What I find offensive is the way that no opportunity, no matter how trifling, to make an eejit out of John F. Citizen and extract twice the necessary amount of money out of him, is passed up. In a civilised jurisdiction whoever came up with this one would be physically dragged from his/her office by the head of hair and set on fire.

petrolcan

0ph0rce0 wrote: »

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

If that was really the case they'd be compulsory.

jimgoose

petrolcan wrote: »

If that was really the case they'd be compulsory.

The same way passports are compulsory?

petrolcan

jimgoose wrote: »

The same way passports are compulsory?

Passports are only compulsory if you intend to travel.

jimgoose

petrolcan wrote: »

Passports are only compulsory if you intend to travel.

So what you're talking about then is if these new yokes were a general-purpose ID card, as are compulsory in most Continental jurisdictions. Well they're not, we're told they're a chopped-down, compact form of passport. And those who want/need them are being made eejits of, yet again.

petrolcan

jimgoose wrote: »

So what you're talking about then is if these new yokes were a general-purpose ID card, as are compulsory in most Continental jurisdictions. Well they're not, we're told they're a chopped-down, compact form of passport.

But I'm not talking about ID cards.

And those who want/need them are being made eejits of, yet again.

I don't see why they are being made eejits of.

I've an Irish passport and I intend to get one of these cards for the convenience alone. It's only some money.

jimgoose

petrolcan wrote: »

But I'm not talking about ID cards.



I don't see why they are being made eejits of.

I've an Irish passport and I intend to get one of these cards for the convenience alone. It's only some money.

Ah yes, I can see that you're not being made an eejit.

Menas

Last time I went thru passport control at dublin the Garda looked at me, not my passport, and said 'you're back again' and waved me thru.
Not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing.

petrolcan

Menas wrote: »

Last time I went thru passport control at dublin the Garda looked at me, not my passport, and said 'you're back again' and waved me thru.
Not sure if that is a good thing or bad thing.

Could mean you're on a list!

murpho999

jimgoose wrote: »

So what you're talking about then is if these new yokes were a general-purpose ID card, as are compulsory in most Continental jurisdictions. Well they're not, we're told they're a chopped-down, compact form of passport. And those who want/need them are being made eejits of, yet again.

Well you're not really, they're an added extra for your normal passport.

Paying for the extra convenience of having a card form of your passport.

So if you don't want one, don't get one and just use your normal passport. Simple.

5starpool

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Is that not just Ryanair policy though.

It is, but it doesn't make it any less compulsory when travelling on Ryanair.

darkpagandeath

5starpool wrote: »

It is, but it doesn't make it any less compulsory when travelling on Ryanair.

So It's not a actual legal requirement. It's a company policy. Surprised it has not been challenged in the courts to be fair. UK/IRE open boarders with each other.

5starpool

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So It's not a actual legal requirement. It's a company policy. Surprised it has not been challenged in the courts to be fair. UK/IRE open boarders with each other.

No, it's just their policies. ID cards from other European countries are accepted forms of ID, but for Irish people it's only passports which is irritating, as a Polish person on the same flight as me to/from the UK won't need a cumbersome passport but I would. This card (I presume Ryanair will be accepting it) should remove this annoyance though.

Xaracatz

jimgoose wrote: »

Oh indeed. What I find offensive is the way that no opportunity, no matter how trifling, to make an eejit out of John F. Citizen.

I hate that guy. :mad:

darkpagandeath

5starpool wrote: »

No, it's just their policies. ID cards from other European countries are accepted forms of ID, but for Irish people it's only passports which is irritating, as a Polish person on the same flight as me to/from the UK won't need a cumbersome passport but I would. This card (I presume Ryanair will be accepting it) should remove this annoyance though.

I bet I can guess what they will do.

Jayop

Yeah my question was would Ryanair accept them. If they do then I'll get one for sure but if not then there's no need.

Also, I agree, the 5 year term of it is a joke. My licence is in card form, 10 years, my passport is 10 years, there's no reason other than screwing people to put this down as 5 years.

What if I get one with 3 years left on my passport, will I get 3 years or will I get the full 5?

323

Señor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Just barcode us and be done with it.

Don't worry. When the EU decides they want to do that.
You can be sure Ireland will be the first country to do it for them.

darkpagandeath

323 wrote: »

Don't worry. When the EU decides they want to do that.
You can be sure Ireland will be the first country to do it for them.

I dunno this looks pretty half-arsed would not be suprised if they get rejected on presentation in the EZ.

petrolcan

5starpool wrote: »

No, it's just their policies. ID cards from other European countries are accepted forms of ID, but for Irish people it's only passports which is irritating, as a Polish person on the same flight as me to/from the UK won't need a cumbersome passport but I would. This card (I presume Ryanair will be accepting it) should remove this annoyance though.

Ryanair have accepted my photo driving licence when I was waiting for my passport to come through.

Fred Swanson

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petrolcan

Jayop wrote: »

Yeah my question was would Ryanair accept them. If they do then I'll get one for sure but if not then there's no need.

Also, I agree, the 5 year term of it is a joke. My licence is in card form, 10 years, my passport is 10 years, there's no reason other than screwing people to put this down as 5 years.

What if I get one with 3 years left on my passport, will I get 3 years or will I get the full 5?

If your passport has three years then so will the card.

petrolcan

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Assume that's directed to me, London Luton to Dublin.

Fred Swanson

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darkpagandeath

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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They have no legal grounds on refusing travel to the UK or vice versa with Irish or British citizens. Their company policy is just that a policy.