TCD students cheer islamist Asghar Bukhari and his defence of the Charlie Hebdo k

Martial9

TCD students cheer islamist Asghar Bukhari and his defence of the Charlie Hebdo killings in Paris

I witnessed something genuinely disturbing at Trinity College Dublin last night: trendy, middle-class, liberal students cheering and whooping a man who had just given the closest thing I have yet heard to a justification for the massacre at Charlie Hebdo.
It was as part of a debate on the right to offend. I was on the side of people having the right to say whatever the hell they want, no matter whose panties it bunches. The man on the other side who implied that Charlie Hebdo got what it deserved, and that the right to offend is a poisonous, dangerous notion, was one Asghar Bukhari of the Muslim Public Affairs Committee.
Bukhari defamed Charlie Hebdo as racist, the same dim-witted claim made by every Charliephobe who has clearly never seen an issue of this magazine that rails against the far right and prejudiced politicians.
He then offered us a potted history of French imperialism and brutality in Algeria. Why? As an explanation for why the murderers of Charlie Hebdo’s staff — who were of Algerian descent — did what they did.

But the audience at last night’s debate was not part of any cynical, self-styled community group. They were young. They were mainly liberals. They were pretty cool. Some were painfully PC. And yet some of them — a significant chunk of them — cheered Bukhari’s explanation for the Charlie killers’ actions, and applauded his suggestion that my question must have been motivated by racism.
During my speech, students had hollered ‘Shame! Shame!’ when I suggested that Robin Thicke’s ‘Blurred Lines’ should not be banned on campuses. And yet they listened intently, with soft, understanding, patronising liberal smiles on their faces, as Bukhari implied that Charlie Hebdo brought its massacre on itself. This is how screwed-up the culture on Western campuses has become: I was jeered for suggesting we shouldn’t ban pop songs; Bukhari was cheered for suggesting journalists who mock Muhammad cannot be surprised if someone later blows their heads off.
It provided a glimpse into the inhumanity of political correctness. The PC gang always claim they’re just being nice; it’s just ‘institutionalised politeness’, they say. Yet at Trinity last night I saw where today’s intolerance of offence and obsession with Safe Spacing minorities from difficult ideas can lead: to an agreeable nod of the head when it is suggested that it’s understandable when poor, victimised Muslims murder those who offended them.

http://blogs.new.spectator.co.uk/2015/10/why-are-students-now-cheering-about-the-massacre-at-charlie-hebdo/

I didn't think that we had this sort of bollocks festering here, bar a few head the balls. It is worrying that this sort of stuff is gaining traction in our universities.

ohnonotgmail

They could have at least mentioned which society organised the debate.

LincolnsBeard

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yt2CHO-eq7w

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR4Na1Rshjo

Just have a listen to him and you'll quickly realise what he's really about.

Dangerous men like this manage to go about unchallenged from large parts of the left.

Witcher

'Shame! Shame!'?

Its like he stumbled into the scene from Game of Thrones:

http://blog.chron.com/tubular/files/2015/09/shame-bell-game-of-thrones.gif

brice_nobes

islam is in the very top tier of sacred cows of the pc left

this doesnt surprise me at all , contrast this with that video which was doing the rounds a few years ago where this wan*k*r ( thirty something student ) from galway stood up during a talk in NUIG ( where an israeli citizen spoke about the mid east ) and more or less threatened to physically remove the guy from the podium

Bulbous Salutation

Students tend to be a bunch of arseholes. This type of stuff isn't the type of thing that left-wing students would have appeased even 15 years ago when I was a student. It's disturbing, but you'd hope to put it down to most students being arseholes.

jungleman

I don't know why universities give gimps like him the publicity he wants. He spouts misguided nonsense, which anyone in their right mind would laugh at.

Merv the perv

And here was me thinking TCD students were smart.

Señor Fancy Pants

Merv the perv wrote: »

And here was me thinking TCD students were smart.

I thought that about people from Bray once.

brice_nobes

Bulbous Salutation wrote: »

Students tend to be a bunch of arseholes. This type of stuff isn't the type of thing that left-wing students would have appeased even 15 years ago when I was a student. It's disturbing, but you'd hope to put it down to most students being arseholes.

academia in ireland is a hivemind of leftist thought , bound to rub off on the idiot students who are also out to look trendy

Barely There

Martial9 wrote: »

TCD students cheer islamist Asghar Bukhari and his defence of the Charlie Hebdo killings in Paris

A small subset of TCD students more like.

There's idiots everywhere.

Even in Trinity believe it or not.

wakka12

I'm embarrassed for them

walshyn93

Oh god no. It's happening here too.

Merv the perv

Anyone know if they were Irish students ? or are they foreigners here studying ?

Bulbous Salutation

brice_nobes wrote: »

academia in ireland is a hivemind of leftist thought , bound to rub off on the idiot students who are also out to look trendy

I wouldn't count acceptance of the vile thoughts of this goon as being left-wing. There'd be lefties turning in their graves at the very idea of a young and mobile student population agreeing with this sort of dangerous claptrap.

It's a strange sort of thing masquerading under the utterly false label of liberalism.

kupus

jungleman wrote: »

I don't know why universities give gimps like him the publicity he wants. He spouts misguided nonsense, which anyone in their right mind would laugh at.

i see what you did there:pac:

c_man

Ah I'd wait to hear from someone else there but his description wouldn't surprise me at all. Radical Islam and the left have an odd relationship here.

KomradeBishop

Ugh...not that arsehole Brendan O'Neill again. He has been known to spew out all sorts of bollocks - so there is almost certainly something more behind this, beyond the title.

walshyn93

c_man wrote: »

Ah I'd wait to hear from someone else there but his description wouldn't surprise me at all. Radical Islam and the left have an odd relationship here.

Islamists need to weaken right wing politics in the west to succeed. Lefties have a political interest in that. They're useful idiots.

Also, lefties like to argue that social problems are the result of conservative (fiscal, military, social) policy. So do Muslims. They make unnaturally comfortable bedfellows. For now.

Paramite Pie

TCD students support victim blaming... wonderful. Didn't realise people were so braindead.

Arbiter of Good Taste

It's because of sh1t like this that I have never donated a penny to TCD after graduating. Every year I get the begging bowl letter. Goes straight in the bin.

TheLastMohican

Most students rail against the status quo. Fuck me ...... I was even a student once! Beard, waistcoat, sandals, slogan T shirt and a fire inside. Jesus did I discuss the undiscussable! Nothing was sacred. All hours of the morning ........ as if it were important. Now, with age and hindsight, I realise that we "are but beads of sweat in the armpit of the great frog".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGikhmjTSZI

Peace!

You Mirin?

Lol, the 'best' college in our country and it's rated in the low hundreds of best colleges in the world yet they still admit morons who can't see how wrong this thinking is.

Welp, there goes the ability to patronisingly laugh at American college campuses for being retarded.

TheLastMohican

c_man wrote: »

Ah I'd wait to hear from someone else there but his description wouldn't surprise me at all. Radical Islam and the left have an odd relationship here.

Radical Islam meets Champagne Socialist to connive with brain-dead DHs. Both get press attention and the next day dawns. Hallelujah!

Radical? Don't imply. Most of the wusses in Trinity are just that ....... wusses.

walshyn93

You Mirin? wrote: »

Lol, the 'best' college in our country and it's rated in the low hundreds of best colleges in the world yet they still admit morons who can't see how wrong this thinking is.

Welp, there goes the ability to patronisingly laugh at American college campuses for being retarded.

These are the people who will sit in the future Dáils. These people will pass laws that effect us.

Martial9

KomradeBishop wrote: »

Ugh...not that arsehole Brendan O'Neill again.

Yes, he is clearly the issue here. Ashgar Bukhari has previously tried to 'defend' the Charlie Hebdo murders.

Here he is in action 24 hours after they took place:

Thankfully Douglas Murray handed him his arse.

steppen

Ah, what till they are working and paying taxes. That'll knock the liberal out of most of them.

Tarzana2

jungleman wrote: »

I don't know why universities give gimps like him the publicity he wants. He spouts misguided nonsense, which anyone in their right mind would laugh at.

Eh no, I'm not into censorship. I'd rather someone showed up, gave their talk and bore the brunt if they are complete c*nts. If some ninnys in the audience agree with them, not much you can do, they'd just believe in something else suspect, if not this.

Tarzana2

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

It's because of sh1t like this that I have never donated a penny to TCD after graduating. Every year I get the begging bowl letter. Goes straight in the bin.

Urgh, what a covert brag. :pac:


I jest, fellow TCD grad. I never donate money because I have none. :pac:

josip

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

They could have at least mentioned which society organised the debate.

Sounds like the rabble in the Phil

Paz-CCFC

How did he know they were "mainly liberals"? Wouldn't cheering a far right opinion suggest that they were right wing?

sf80

"It was as part of a debate on the right to offend. I was on the side of people having the right to say whatever the hell they want, no matter whose panties it bunches"

oh the irony..

strelok

hardly surprising, lots of left wing writers and activists offered pathetic "explanations" of the hebdo murders at the time

jimgoose

It's always the same, going back aeons. Whatever annoys The Man, society, their parents, the Squares maaan. Most of them will grow out of it, the others will cultivate interesting facial hair and go to work in video-game shops. It's a pity this new form of it is so properly destructive.

Crann na Beatha

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jimgoose

strelok wrote: »

hardly surprising, lots of left wing writers and activists offered pathetic "explanations" of the hebdo murders at the time

The leftist movement generally has a long and illustrious history of attempting to saw off the branch upon which it is sitting. In the old days it was the Soviet Union that made them all gooey. Now for some reason it is lunatic religion-inspired statist fascism masquerading as Islam. Oh well...

jimgoose

Tarzana2 wrote: »

Eh no, I'm not into censorship. I'd rather someone showed up, gave their talk and bore the brunt if they are complete c*nts. If some ninnys in the audience agree with them, not much you can do, they'd just believe in something else suspect, if not this.

It isn't censorship for an institution to select who comes to speak based on what their views are and the likely content. As the other cheek of the same arse, it is not appropriate to offend whoever you like as deeply as you like in the name of secular, modern, liberated cool-dudery. That's the kind of thing a fifteen-year-old with his head up his hole does. I speak as a libertarian humanist with a healthy streak of Mad O'Duffy.

jungleman

jimgoose wrote: »

It isn't censorship for an institution to select who comes to speak based on what their views are and the likely content. As the other cheek of the same arse, it is not appropriate to offend whoever you like as deeply as you like in the name of secular, modern, liberated cool-dudery. That's the kind of thing a fifteen-year-old with his head up his hole does. I speak as a libertarian humanist with a healthy streak of Mad O'Duffy.

Exactly. Declining to give a platform to someone isn't censorship, it's just exorcising your right to allow if you want to hear what they have to say.

KomradeBishop

Martial9 wrote: »

Yes, he is clearly the issue here. Ashgar Bukhari has previously tried to 'defend' the Charlie Hebdo murders.

Here he is in action 24 hours after they took place:

Thankfully Douglas Murray handed him his arse.

I don't give a toss about that guy anymore than I care for O'Neill. The focus is on the TCD students, and knowing O'Neills shít-stirring in the past, there is likely a lot left out of this story.

Boring username

Well hopefully the Special Branch are paying careful attention to the little pricks who were cheering on cold blooded murder. I would hope that they are being identified as we speak and are added to a watchlist. These smug **** won't be so gobby when they've failed a Garda vetting test when they want a job in computing, teaching, or the civil service.
The advantage of these useful idiots is that the leftists always fracture into breakaway groups, and you'll always have rival factions who will happily snitch on their former 'comrades'. So that can be exploited to its full potential.

Don't get mad, just brush the scum out to the fringes of society where they belong. As long as the radicals can't have any influence on mainstream society then everyone wins.

But it bares repeating time and time and time again-the far right is bad, but the far left is much, much worse.

Saipanne

Boring username wrote: »

Well hopefully the Special Branch are paying careful attention to the little pricks who were cheering on cold blooded murder. I would hope that they are being identified as we speak and are added to a watchlist. These smug **** won't be so gobby when they've failed a Garda vetting test when they want a job in computing, teaching, or the civil service.
The advantage of these useful idiots is that the leftists always fracture into breakaway groups, and you'll always have rival factions who will happily snitch on their former 'comrades'. So that can be exploited to its full potential.

Don't get mad, just brush the scum out to the fringes of society where they belong. As long as the radicals can't have any influence on mainstream society then everyone wins.

But it bares repeating time and time and time again-the far right is bad, but the far left is much, much worse.

Yep. Because with the right, you can always tell that they know they are cünts, they almost like it. But the left actually genuinely believe that they are the good guys. That makes them very dangerous.

suicide_circus

jimgoose wrote: »

The leftist movement generally has a long and illustrious history of attempting to saw off the branch upon which it is sitting. In the old days it was the Soviet Union that made them all gooey. Now for some reason it is lunatic religion-inspired statist fascism masquerading as Islam. Oh well...

That's actually a wonderful analogy.
Anyone remember the fatwa issued by Ayatollah Khomeini against novelist Salman Rushdie for writing a novel? The man has had a death sentence hanging over his head for 25 years for writing a book. This is fascism. Make no mistake. And any dimwitted fücks in TCD or anywhere else who defend this mediaeval BULLSHÎT need to be told where to get off. You dont get to threaten or kill people because they offend whatever extremely unlikely desert revelation narrative you adhere to. It's not acceptable and if you like the way western society operates with it's social, religious and personal freedoms you need to say "no" to this cowardly submission to the whims of these religio-fascists.

Herb Powell

Martial9 wrote: »

It is worrying that this sort of stuff is gaining traction in our universities.

I don't know that it is gaining any more traction tbh with you. You'll get opinionated types at these kinds of events, always, and plenty who like to be seen attending.

Boring username wrote: »

Well hopefully the Special Branch are paying careful attention to the little pricks who were cheering on cold blooded murder. I would hope that they are being identified as we speak and are added to a watchlist. These smug **** won't be so gobby when they've failed a Garda vetting test when they want a job in computing, teaching, or the civil service.
The advantage of these useful idiots is that the leftists always fracture into breakaway groups, and you'll always have rival factions who will happily snitch on their former 'comrades'. So that can be exploited to its full potential.

Don't get mad, just brush the scum out to the fringes of society where they belong. As long as the radicals can't have any influence on mainstream society then everyone wins.

But it bares repeating time and time and time again-the far right is bad, but the far left is much, much worse.

lol

Would you say you're an advocate of free speech? Not trying to even take a side on the debate from the article here, I disagree with the victim blaming if it happened like the author says it did, I'm just curious about your opinion.

Boring username

Herb Powell wrote: »

I don't know that it is gaining any more traction tbh with you. You'll get opinionated types at these kinds of events, always, and plenty who like to be seen attending.



lol

Would you say you're an advocate of free speech? Not trying to even take a side on the debate from the article here, I disagree with the victim blaming if it happened like the author says it did, I'm just curious about your opinion.

Yes I would be a full supporter of free speech and expression-just like Charlie Hebdo believed in. Note how I haven't called for anyone to be denied their right to free speech, but if you're going to advocate and cheer for people being slaughtered in an office in Paris because of a cartoon, then you have flagged yourself as a threat to the democratic process and won't be getting rewarded with a well paying job from our society, thank you very much.
You can try and dress this up with all sorts of psuedo-intellectual moral relativism in defence of the students, but these precious little flowers are about to get a crash course in how they world really works outside the pampered halls of political theory and right on pompous political posturing.

Nobody give a sh1t for their starry eyed, fanatical, self indulgent opinions out in the real world. They will simply be bypassed by society without a second thought. The mask has slipped for the far left now-they've spent years successfully diverting attention towards the hate filled antics of the right, but now the wheel is going full circle.

Eugene Norman

jungleman wrote: »

Exactly. Declining to give a platform to someone isn't censorship, it's just exorcising your right to allow if you want to hear what they have to say.

Its definitely censorship by the institution

Nodin

It's amazing how some trinners students have become the ultimate leftwing "source of all that is evil". Hillarious too.

Herb Powell

Boring username wrote: »

Yes I would be a full supporter of free speech and expression-just like Charlie Hebdo believed in. Note how I haven't called for anyone to be denied their right to free speech, but if you're going to advocate and cheer for people being slaughtered in an office in Paris because of a cartoon, then you have flagged yourself as a threat to the democratic process and won't be getting rewarded with a well paying job from our society, thank you very much.
You can try and dress this up with all sorts of psuedo-intellectual moral relativism in defence of the students, but these precious little flowers are about to get a crash course in how they world really works outside the pampered halls of political theory and right on pompous political posturing.

Nobody give a sh1t for their starry eyed, fanatical, self indulgent opinions out in the real world. They will simply be bypassed by society without a second thought. The mask has slipped for the far left now-they've spent years successfully diverting attention towards the hate filled antics of the right, but now the wheel is going full circle.

Well tbh I'd like to see a video of the debate. College debates usually involve a good deal of playing devil's advocate, purely for the sake of one side of the debate. Atm all we're going on is the report of one guy who very clearly doesn't think much of an entire group of people (students) in the first place.

I personally find your idea of surveillence and "flagging" people based on something they may not have even said more worrying than the nutjobs defending the massacre. At least it's easy to spot them and point out what's wrong with their ideas.

If they've been known to spout shhit, then it's ultimately up to the employer to decide whether or not to take them on, but to ban them from society wouldn't really achieve a lot imo.

suicide_circus

Nodin wrote: »

It's amazing how some trinners students have become the ultimate leftwing "source of all that is evil". Hillarious too.

I actually don't think they're left wing. In fact, I suspect them of having no considered principles whatsoever beyond what will endear them to whatever heavily marketed cause is trending.

jungleman

jungleman wrote: »

I don't know why universities give gimps like him the publicity he wants. He spouts misguided nonsense, which anyone in their right mind would laugh at.

Funny they wouldn't give Nick Griifin a platform. Complete bunch of arseholes.

Boring username

Nodin wrote: »

It's amazing how some trinners students have become the ultimate leftwing "source of all that is evil". Hillarious too.

"Hilarious" that supposedly educated students can defend this sort of blatant butchery? I'd get that moral compass re-calibrated, 'comrade'...

https://a248.e.akamai.net/f/1202/1579/4m/i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2015/01/12/24A1727800000578-2906636-image-a-54_1421069487715.jpg

Nodin

Boring username wrote: »

"Hilarious" that supposedly educated students can defend this sort of blatant butchery? I'd get that moral compass re-calibrated, 'comrade'...

You seem to be one of those that think "educated" and "thick" cannot co-exist. I'd say the most pertinent point on the night was "pissed" but as I wasn't there I can't say for sure.

All we have here is an a/c from the other side, btw. This isn't a third party commenting. It's just an excuse for the usual suspects to have an oul rant.