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RWC'15 Pool D: Ireland vs Italy, RWC. KO Sunday 4:45PM TV3/ITV1

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    #662
    aimee1
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    Tompatrick wrote: »
    Agree with back row points. Real case for changes with the undroppables of O'Brien and Heaslip being replaced.

    A back row of Ryan Henderson and O'Mahony with Toner starting at 4 would be more than worth considering.

    Ryan? Get a grip please

    SOB, Heaslip Henry is far more likely then what you are suggesting. POM did good things but he did some terrible things too giving Italy easy outs from their own line which is unacceptable


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    #663
    Sean Kinsella
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Did you watch the match? No forward ball, we need to win some of the battle up front. If we dont against France, were goosed.

    Yes I watched the match and we had plenty of good ball that we seemed to kick away or otherwise do nothing with.

    Got to change that against France.


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    #664
    Grid.
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    bunnyarmstrong wrote: »
    Can't tell if you're being serious....

    I am......why wear the jersey then?


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    #665
    Irish_rat
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    Toner was very good when he came on. Problem is 2 into 1 doesn't go.

    Gotta say Henry was fairly good too.

    We all know Ireland will bring their A game next week though.


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    #666
    Tompatrick
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Toner was very good when he came on. Problem is 2 into 1 doesn't go.

    We all know Ireland will bring their A game next week though.

    Henderson to backrow. Heaslip or O'Brien to the bench.


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    #667
    WarZ
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Toner was very good when he came on. Problem is 2 into 1 doesn't go.

    We all know Ireland will bring their A game next week though.

    5.Toner
    6.Henderson
    7.O'Brien
    8.Heaslip

    Perfect.


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    #668
    MJohnston
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    Grid. wrote: »
    I am......why wear the jersey then?

    Singing or not an unofficial anthem is not a measure of anyone's commitment to their team.


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    #669
    noway12345
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    Irish_rat wrote: »
    Toner was very good when he came on. Problem is 2 into 1 doesn't go.

    We all know Ireland will bring their A game next week though.

    What's our A game? Kick up in the air all the time and chase, the same back line move ie the wrap around. The maul? We have no attacking thread that's hard to read or defend for the top teams. Are we hiding some other moves? Saving them? Highly unlikely.


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    #670
    bunnyarmstrong
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    Grid. wrote: »
    I am......why wear the jersey then?

    ....to play rugby, not sing?


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    WarZ
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    What's our A game? Kick up in the air all the time and chase, the same back line move ie the wrap around. The maul? We have no attacking thread that's hard to read or defend for the top teams. Are we hiding some other moves? Saving them? Highly unlikely.

    With Payne and Kearney back into the backline, Henshaw with better match fitness, Earls in his best position and Murray not playing like a drain maybe we will see that creativity we have been missing.


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    #672
    AbusesToilets
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    Tompatrick wrote: »
    Henderson to backrow. Heaslip or O'Brien to the bench.

    Madness, SOB and Heaslip were solid today. If there is to be a shift in positioning, it should be Hendo to replace POM and bring Toner into 4.


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    #673
    noway12345
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    WarZ wrote: »
    With Payne and Kearney back into the backline, Henshaw with better match fitness, Earls in his best position and Murray not playing like a drain maybe we will see that creativity we have been missing.

    That's not the game plan though, Joe has us playing hoof ball!


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    #674
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    What's our A game? Kick up in the air all the time and chase, the same back line move ie the wrap around. The maul? We have no attacking thread that's hard to read or defend for the top teams. Are we hiding some other moves? Saving them? Highly unlikely.

    The same A game that has seen us beat France the last two years in a row, and win the last two 6 Nations in a row.

    Jesus. I thought I was pessimistic about Irish Rugby. Yes, we've lots and lots to improve upon. You think Schmidt and the team don't know that?


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    #675
    noway12345
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Madness, SOB and Heaslip were solid today. If there is to be a shift in positioning, it should be Hendo to replace POM and bring Toner into 4.

    POM was far better than both O'Brien and Heaslip today!
    I'd have Henderson at 6 though. O'Mahony would be a great impact sub.


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    #676
    Pudsy33
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    I think we sometimes over-estimate our players abilities.

    We are back to back 6 nations champions. Over the course of our coaches tenure, we have beaten everyone there is to beat in the world bar NZ. We are not over estimating anyone by saying we expect this team to be semi final candidates. We are that good. Screw the Irish underdog mentality.


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    #677
    noway12345
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    Dave_The_Sheep wrote: »
    The same A game that has seen us beat France the last two years in a row, and win the last two 6 Nations in a row.

    Jesus. I thought I was pessimistic about Irish Rugby. Yes, we've lots and lots to improve upon. You think Schmidt and the team don't know that?

    Do you remember World Cup 2007?


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    #678
    Tompatrick
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    POM was far better than both O'Brien and Heaslip today!
    I'd have Henderson at 6 though. O'Mahony would be a great impact sub.

    So why drop the better player to keep 2 under performers living on past reputations ???


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    #679
    AbusesToilets
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    POM was far better than both O'Brien and Heaslip today!
    I'd have Henderson at 6 though. O'Mahony would be a great impact sub.

    Can't agree with that assessment of Heaslip and SOB


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    #680
    uptherebels
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    WarZ wrote: »
    I've no idea why that is even discussed. Player loses one ruck shocker. How about him regaining possession twice in the last few minutes when Italy were on the rampage?

    I watch Heaslip and he takes on an incredible amount of ball and is vital to that pack. Like I said I will wait for the figures but they will definitely reflect that he was our hardest performing backrow player toady.

    How is Heaslip even an issue today?

    its not that a winger cleared him out, it was the ease at which it was done.Its not just about work rate ,its effective work rate, no point being at a ruck to make up the numbers.


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    #681
    Hagz
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    Is Jared Payne going to be available for France? He's in a moon-boot.


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    #682
    noway12345
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    Pudsy33 wrote: »
    We are back to back 6 nations champions. Over the course of our coaches tenure, we have beaten everyone there is to beat in the world bar NZ. We are not over estimating anyone by saying we expect this team to be semi final candidates. We are that good. Screw the Irish underdog mentality.

    Not many of our players would get on a World 15, we have good players but many in Ireland over estimnate how good they are.


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    #683
    Dave_The_Sheep
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    Do you remember World Cup 2007?

    If you want to compare our team, coach and performances during 2007 and those in 2015, go ahead. It'd be silly though.

    And a loss to France next week won't change that.


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    #684
    noway12345
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    Tompatrick wrote: »
    So why drop the better player to keep 2 under performers living on past reputations ???

    He played better today. To be honest I think it's a huge mistake to play Heaslip in every match but that's what's happened. He's our best 8.


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    #685
    aimee1
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    noway12345 wrote: »
    POM was far better than both O'Brien and Heaslip today!
    I'd have Henderson at 6 though. O'Mahony would be a great impact sub.

    POM gave away more penalties, got YC and conceding more turnovers then SOB and Heaslip but was somehow better then both of them?


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    #686
    noway12345
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    AbusesToilets wrote: »
    Can't agree with that assessment of Heaslip and SOB

    O'Mahony was far better than them today.


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    #687
    Diabhal Beag
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    Parisse is some man. <- Match Report.


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    #688
    Grid.
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    bunnyarmstrong wrote: »
    ....to play rugby, not sing?

    ....some passion like their team mates wouldn't go astray...or is it just an Ulster thing?


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    #689
    wp_rathead
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    People talking about dropping Heaslip are deluded
    POM made 28 metres/ 3 tackles
    Heaslip made 23 metres / 6 tackles
    SOB made 26 metres / 4 tackles
    MJohnston wrote: »
    Singing or not an unofficial anthem is not a measure of anyone's commitment to their team.

    Nah I'm with Grid..
    ..They should be taken out and SHOT :P


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    #690
    total former
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    aimee1 wrote: »
    POM gave away more penalties, got YC and conceding more turnovers then SOB and Heaslip but was somehow better then both of them?

    Ah he was. Heaslip was good, not sure why he's coming in for stick, SOB was pretty anonymous but POM was the best of them, yellow card aside.


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    #691
    Ardillaun
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    Our backline had a ponderous, slow-mo look today, familiar to chronic Irish WC fans, passing out wide before the tackle as the Italians just waited to stop us near the touchline. The Argies will have no trouble against us if we don't buck up, let alone that other crowd I will not mention. No speed, no power, no creativity, no accuracy. Apart from that, though...

    My favourite moment was Henderson blocking Allan's kick and then reprising Stephen Ferris against the Aussies by carrying Gori back. That showed a bit of the urgency we will need from everybody to stay in this tournament.


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