Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

GavRedKing

Cesc has been an exceptional today. Even if chelsea have been average.

GavRedKing

Despite pedros goal hes been easily our worse outfield player

GavRedKing

Webe not played well but cesc has been out of this world today with his passing range.

GavRedKing

Pedro and costa getting a very undeserved 90mins today.

Duck Soup

Nothing to play for really, but Fabregas is playing like he actually gives a fug. A class above today.

SureYWouldntYa

Duck Soup wrote: »

Nothing to play for really, but Fabregas is playing like he actually gives a fug. A class above today.

Playing for his spot in the Spain team I reckon, no other reason he wouldn't be on holidays

GavRedKing

Of the 3 that got abuse (costa, cesc, hazard) Cesc has been the best of the three all year.

It was undeserved, no point getting ahead of ourselves it was only Bournemouth but he was immense.

grumpymunster

In a positive mode only 4 games to go now.

A bit ropey here and there but cantered to the win in the end and only one sub what happened to playing the young lads?

Garzorico

Please god let Roman be watching Utd v Everton - Lukaku has a woeful touch and shot. €60m no, €30m yes.

Bout time Hazard showed up.

Johner

Garzorico wrote: »

Please god let Roman be watching Utd v Everton - Lukaku has a woeful touch and shot. €60m no, €30m yes.

Bout time Hazard showed up.

His first touch really isn't good enough.

SureYWouldntYa

grumpymunster wrote: »

In a positive mode only 4 games to go now.

A bit ropey here and there but cantered to the win in the end and only one sub what happened to playing the young lads?

I'd say since we technically have a chance of 6th and getting into Europa, then he'd be obligated to play the top players

But if I'm right on that then why say he's gonna play the kids

grumpymunster

What ever is our best side should be on the pitch against Spurs other than that once the Youth Cup is out of the way we should give those guys a look in.
Hopefully Obi and Cahill will be fit for the Leicester game though :angel:

GavRedKing

Draw with or beat spurs, season over then.

GavRedKing

Oh and the difference between Martial and Lukaku is scary, Martial is tounger and full of so much proomise, Lukaku while talented, had chances that he screwed up.Martiak showed a cool head to win the game and a great touch too.

grumpymunster

There was a huge question mark over Lukaku's big match nerve when he ran away from Chelsea seems it could still be there £60m yea my left one. As for Stones good God we dodged a bullet there.

cowboyBuilder

What were the fans singing about ?

Just saw the interview with Hiddink ..

GavRedKing

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

What were the fans singing about ?

Just saw the interview with Hiddink ..

The chant was "you better beat f**king Tottenham"

Dony think we will but if we take 2 points off them that'll be good enough.

Although if we line up with mikel and ivan at cb we might as well gift them the 3 points.

RichT

Was watching MOTD this morning. ivan looked like he was running through custard!

GavRedKing

RichT wrote: »

Was watching MOTD this morning. ivan looked like he was running through custard!

Bournemouth had chances, it could have easily been about 9-4 if all the chances were taken.

GavRedKing

Anyone see the Spurs fans on Twitter saying chelsea are match fixing after ceac and hazard said they want leicester to win the league. :pac:

grumpymunster

Ah poor lambs .....

I am quite sure if the situations were reversed they would expect their players to say the same. I don't think it really matters anyway we are most likely going to lose to both.

GavRedKing

grumpymunster wrote: »

Ah poor lambs .....

I am quite sure if the situations were reversed they would expect their players to say the same. I don't think it really matters anyway we are most likely going to lose to both.

Dont mind losing to both as long as leicester win the league ha

GavRedKing

Kurt Zpuma is back at cobham doing exercises so hopefully during the summer months he'll get fit enough to lead the back line.

Crann na Beatha

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GavRedKing

JT26 wrote: »

We are definitely out of Europa contention lads?

Ya....would need us to win every game and all those above us to lose every game.

So we've a free crack at the league next year, at a minimum we need top 4 finish.

GavRedKing

Its gonna be a sad state of affairs if the highlight of this season is if we contribute to Leicester wining the league by either a) costing Spurs points or b) rolling over on the last day.

But f**k it, anything to stop that lot winning a title.

:P

Johner

JT26 wrote: »

We are definitely out of Europa contention lads?

Saw something about finishing 8th and getting Europa but didn't read it, will have a look now.

Don't think we will finish 8th though! 9th at best.

GavRedKing

Johner wrote: »

Saw something about finishing 8th and getting Europa but didn't read it, will have a look now.

Don't think we will finish 8th though! 9th at best.

Ya, 9th at best.

We wont catch Southampton, in truth Guus has f**ked away too many points with us in home games.

We wouldnt have caught the top 4 but we could have been in the running for a Europa spot.

Although we've won it so I'm not too bothered with the competition and I'd prefer a free run at the league next year.

A small squad can work when chasing the league and top 4 when you've only got at a minimum, 40 games next year.

grumpymunster

It really should be an easyish introduction for Conte, travelling wont be an issue with no further than Sunderland or Newcastle to go to. Lots of free midweek breaks if they want training camps there really is no excuse not to get at least an easy top 4.
A lot of course will depend upon what we do in the transfer market, it seems Christensen is due to stay in Germany for another season so what we do with our back four really is critical. JT gone it seems, Cahill dire, Ivan past it you would not be full of confidence.
Baba with a little run seems to be more confident while I cannot understand why Obi was started in place of the Yank on Saturday there is no sense at all there really. There is little future for Obi at the Bridge and none at all at CB. Ivan should be OK for cup matches and perhaps against the lesser lights but against proper teams no not really. So really we need at least 3 defenders interesting that. Then of course there is the little issue of midfield and striker, should at least be an interesting close season.

GavRedKing

grumpymunster wrote: »

It really should be an easyish introduction for Conte, travelling wont be an issue with no further than Sunderland or Newcastle to go to. Lots of free midweek breaks if they want training camps there really is no excuse not to get at least an easy top 4.
A lot of course will depend upon what we do in the transfer market, it seems Christensen is due to stay in Germany for another season so what we do with our back four really is critical. JT gone it seems, Cahill dire, Ivan past it you would not be full of confidence.
Baba with a little run seems to be more confident while I cannot understand why Obi was started in place of the Yank on Saturday there is no sense at all there really. There is little future for Obi at the Bridge and none at all at CB. Ivan should be OK for cup matches and perhaps against the lesser lights but against proper teams no not really. So really we need at least 3 defenders interesting that. Then of course there is the little issue of midfield and striker, should at least be an interesting close season.

Hopefully our furtherst trip is up to Middlesborough and Newcastle go down, not overly bothereed about Sunderland staying in the divison but I'd like Newcastle to go down.

I agree on our CB options, if JT isnt given an extension its utter madness, the club is crying out for leaders and when the chips were down this year we didnt have enough of them, leaving JT go is a daft call, made even stranger by the fact Ivan was given a deal.

What seriously pi**ed me off the other day was Mikel starting and Mizaga on the bench, we had Guus spoof on about the youngsters getting a game now nothing was left to play and he dropped Kenedy, RLC, Mizaga and Traore for the away trip to a team we could beat. :pac:

Its laughable, I loved Guus 1st spell but it was the players that performed then not the manager, his 2nd spell has shown up his short comings as manager, hes pretty much clueless IMO and a 4-1 defeat of Bournemouth does little to paper over it, we beat Villa in similar circumstances and went down to Swansea who showed a small bit of fight and fire and won out.

Pedro, despite his goal the other day was, IMO, our worse player, nobody played too badly but his touch is off and he was afraid to cmmit people. A bug shout out to Begovic for half a brain fart of a minute for their goal, it was shokcing, and Mikel and IVanovic, any half decent CF would have tore them a new one.

Considering we had Mizaga and a raft of players to replace Pedro, why Guus went with two players who have little to prove in world football is beyond me. Hazard and Willian were both coming back from layoffs, Matic hadnt started a game in weeks and Rahman needs to play but the inclusion of Pedro and Mikel was frustrating as hell, I get he wants to win games and get a respectable position but we're not going to come higher than 9th and we could easily finish 10th.

As you said though, its going to be an interesting summer, if we dont sign up JT we need at least 2 CBs, we've got Hector, Kalas, Omerou and Ake all coming back from loan but they'll probably be sold. Zouma is doing his recovery work and wont be back for the start of the season it seems so it leaves us with Cahill, Ivan, Mizaga, and that my friends is utter, utter tripe. Conte would want to work miracles to get a solid base from any of those players playing together.

We desperately need a CB if JT goes and we'll probably, rightly or wrongly, go after Stones again until Christensen is back with us.

grumpymunster

Stones is a long way from a reliable performer anything I have seen of him this season has been poor to utter awful. Kalas has shown much more and is deserving of a chance I would much prefer him to Stones at any rate.

If we start the season with Cahill, Mizaga and Ivan as CB's season is all but over before it starts really so far as CL qualification is concerned.

grumpymunster

Good Lord Pedro got 7.7 out of 10 for his performance on Saturday not sure where that came from. Maybe I watched a different game?

Obi got 5.6 which is quite generous as he was muck. Cesc with 9.6 and Eden with 8.4 was fair I think though.

http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2016/4/25/11501072/afc-bournemouth-vs-chelsea-player-ratings-man-of-the-match-three-stars

GavRedKing

grumpymunster wrote: »

Stones is a long way from a reliable performer anything I have seen of him this season has been poor to utter awful. Kalas has shown much more and is deserving of a chance I would much prefer him to Stones at any rate.

If we start the season with Cahill, Mizaga and Ivan as CB's season is all but over before it starts really so far as CL qualification is concerned.

If Conte sells Oscar and Mikel he'll have already won me over.

I'd agree on Stones, hes going to be an expensive mistake for awhile, he needs to improve a lot and it wont be with us without JT. I cant see the logic in selling a better footballer and defender, in Luiz and replacing him with a guy thats going to cost similar money as Luiz.

Madness.

hots

What were people's opinions on matic at the weekend? I saw some fawning over him but thought he was ****e tbh, really a position we're weak at. While mikel is poor he actually doesn't harm the team in fairness to him, matic has been poison.

If we play the same system next year matic can get used to warming the bench imo. After cb it's surely our weakest position.

grumpymunster

hots wrote: »

What were people's opinions on matic at the weekend? I saw some fawning over him but thought he was ****e tbh, really a position we're weak at. While mikel is poor he actually doesn't harm the team in fairness to him, matic has been poison.

If we play the same system next year matic can get used to warming the bench imo. After cb it's surely our weakest position.

Well according to WAGNH he claims he was like Zidane though I suspect he was joking

GavRedKing

hots wrote: »

What were people's opinions on matic at the weekend? I saw some fawning over him but thought he was ****e tbh, really a position we're weak at. While mikel is poor he actually doesn't harm the team in fairness to him, matic has been poison.

If we play the same system next year matic can get used to warming the bench imo. After cb it's surely our weakest position.

I think he was ok, nothing like the heights he reached when he came back.

I'd still prefer Matic over Mikel because while hes been prone to errors, its usually by playing stupid balls forward or getting caught up the pitch, Mikel does neither and is often found wanting further back.

I'm still amazed though that despite having probably the worst season of any player we currently have, Ivanovic is going to be likely captain next season. At one stage and I stopped counting being honest, you could count how many goals have been directly his fault and I think I got to 12 of about 18 goals left in were down to his errors in the early days of the season.

GavRedKing

We wont stop Spurs winning it because theyve managed to throw away any chance they had themselves tonight. Congrats Spurs.

Techless

Did I hear right that Solanke is looking for a 50k a week contract :eek:

GavRedKing

Techless wrote: »

Did I hear right that Solanke is looking for a 50k a week contract :eek:

Correct, RLC has signed a reported 60k a week contract so Solanke might as well chance his arm.

Apparently his step father is handling the deal for him acting as his agent and God knows family members being your agent is never a bad thing.

I think hes on about 5-7k at the moment but theres no way in hell he should get that much money as well as assurances about his 1st team status.

He has to earn it but he knows that with 12months left on his current deal he holds nearly all the cards in this scenario.

Techless

GavRedKing wrote: »

Correct, RLC has signed a reported 60k a week contract so Solanke might as well chance his arm.

Apparently his step father is handling the deal for him acting as his agent and God knows family members being your agent is never a bad thing.

I think hes on about 5-7k at the moment but theres no way in hell he should get that much money as well as assurances about his 1st team status.

He has to earn it but he knows that with 12months left on his current deal he holds nearly all the cards in this scenario.

Crazy..........the worlds gone mad

GavRedKing

Techless wrote: »

Crazy..........the worlds gone mad

Currently, Harry Kane is on about 60k I think.

Just shows ya what you're dealing with.

I'd love if he was given an opportunity with us but it should be left up to Conte to decide if he wants him, theres no club in the world going to give Solanke what hes asking from us so theres going to be room to negoiate over the summer.

Panthro

GavRedKing wrote: »

Currently, Harry Kane is on about 60k I think.

Just shows ya what you're dealing with.

I'd love if he was given an opportunity with us but it should be left up to Conte to decide if he wants him, theres no club in the world going to give Solanke what hes asking from us so theres going to be room to negoiate over the summer.

I'll take charge of the negotiations ...

Here's a realistic offer....and there's the door. Now...Walk towards the one you want.

GavRedKing

Panthro wrote: »

I'll take charge of the negotiations ...

Here's a realistic offer....and there's the door. Now...Walk towards the one you want.

Aaahhh the Maggie Thatcher approach to negotiation, I like it. :pac:

hullaballoo

It's still more reasonable than Luas drivers in fairness.

GavRedKing

hullaballoo wrote: »

It's still more reasonable than Luas drivers in fairness.

Hes far too over qualified too be a LUAS driver though.

Panthro

GavRedKing wrote: »

Hes far too over qualified too be a LUAS driver though.

Is he though? Sure them drivers don't use their feet at tall at tall!

POKERKING

GavRedKing wrote: »

Currently, Harry Kane is on about 60k I think.

Just shows ya what you're dealing with.

I'd love if he was given an opportunity with us but it should be left up to Conte to decide if he wants him, theres no club in the world going to give Solanke what hes asking from us so theres going to be room to negoiate over the summer.

You would be surprised Sturridge asked for the same with us(city) and ultimately signed for yous on a deal probably worth the same all in. granted Sturridge had a few games for us under his belt but Solanke highly rated, could easily get a huge signing on fee and a decent wage that would come out at 50k especially with the money floating around next season.

Lukker-

POKERKING wrote: »

You would be surprised Sturridge asked for the same with us(city) and ultimately signed for yous on a deal probably worth the same all in. granted Sturridge had a few games for us under his belt but Solanke highly rated, could easily get a huge signing on fee and a decent wage that would come out at 50k especially with the money floating around next season.

I don't see any of the top clubs paying it though. City would be the only possibility but they already have Iheanacho. United have Rashford. Don't see Spurs, Liverpool or Arsenal paying that.

He could join a smaller club but for a fraction of the wages for more playing time.

GavRedKing

Solanke would be mad to leave, he'll probably sign a 3 year extension and get 3 or 4 times his current 7k wages which is absure anyway but it will give the club time to loan him to an English side for 12months or give him a shot as 3rd CF next year.

Lukker-

I like him already

http://www.101greatgoals.com/blog/incoming-chelsea-boss-antonio-conte-has-already-told-radamel-falcao-to-find-a-new-club-mail/?