Chelsea Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2016

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

Opening bid is 80m Mick, step right up, do I have 81? anyone?

Thing is we would rather lob 80 million at Neymar and fail misearbly. At least with Chelsea we would have a chance at getting him. Definitely now anyway

Francie Barrett

Roman has a big decision to make here. Either he sacks the manager and undermines every other Chelsea manager to come, or else he backs Mourinho and starts sacking players.

MD1990

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

How has Chelsea's success stacked up to your great club in recent years?

So just because I support a club that hasn't done as well as Chelsea recently I can't take joy in there crisis of form They have a classless manager & are a classless club .

GavRedKing

This should be our new manager.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0TWYcQ8tAKg

GavRedKing

M!Ck^ wrote: »

Thing is we would rather lob 80 million at Neymar and fail misearbly. At least with Chelsea we would have a chance at getting him. Definitely now anyway

You might have to double that to get Neymar though, especially with his transfer costing about double what it was meant to have cost.

you'll also need a new manager to get the best out of Hazard, unless LVG plays him LB. :pac:

Harry Palmr

70 points (likely top 4 tally) needs 2.5 PPG from here on

GavRedKing

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Roman has a big decision to make here. Either he sacks the manager and undermines every other Chelsea manager to come, or else he backs Mourinho and starts sacking selling players.

I'd sell them first being honest, make a bit of money off them.

GavRedKing

Harry Palmr wrote: »

70 points (likely top 4 tally) needs 2.5 PPG from here on

We wont even make top 8 at this rate, thats no exaggeration.

Barr

There is no way I can see Hazard and Jose working any more.


If Jose stays he will be looking to get shut of him. Its seems getting the player of the year could be a curse when Jose is in charge.

GavRedKing

GavRedKing wrote: »

You might have to double that to get Neymar though, especially with his transfer costing about double what it was meant to have cost.

you'll also need a new manager to get the best out of Hazard, unless LVG plays him LB. :pac:

Wouldn't be surprised if LVG did the way things are going at the moment lol

I'd be inclined to have Hazard sit in behind Martial

Barr

1000/1 for Chelsea to finish top four :eek: , Paddy Power here I come :pac:

GavRedKing

Barr wrote: »

There is no way I can see Hazard and Jose working any more.


If Jose stays he will be looking to get shut of him. Its seems getting the player of the year could be a curse when Jose is in charge.

Hazard will be gone in the summer, nobody will want a cup tied Hazard in january.

If Hazard is acting up, drop him. Play Kenedy.

obezyana

Manager will go or some players will go and I think the manager going is the quicker option. I might just throw on a bet that Rodgers is going to be the new interim manager of CFC. I'd say Mourinho will be gone by tomorrow.

GavRedKing

Whats mind boggling is we beat Porto easily with the same XI, created plenty.

Same XI play against Leicester and sh*t the course.

GavRedKing

I wouldnt be shocked to see Jose sacked now being honest, Lampard was right though, the season is a complete write off so dont sack him.

Lukker-

GavRedKing wrote: »

Whats mind boggling is we beat Porto easily with the same XI, created plenty.

Same XI play against Leicester and sh*t the course.

There's a huge difference though, Porto came out and attacked us.

Mourinho hasn't a clue how to play against teams who park the bus, he can't take his own medicine. He has been completely figured out in the league and he has continued to blame bad luck but it's a tame excuse at this stage.

Sheepy99

Ancelotti could get these guys playing serious ball, as well as incorporating the young players. He's a guy who commands respect as well, and is humble in defeat. Think the time has come to go and get 'em.

Lukker-

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Ancelotti could get these guys playing serious ball, as well as incorporating the young players. He's a guy who commands respect as well, and is humble in defeat. Think the time has come to go and get 'em.

He won't go anywhere until next season but I'd bring in Conte or even leave Steve Holland as coach til then. Jose has made his position untenable.

deaddonkey15

Sheepy99 wrote: »

Ancelotti could get these guys playing serious ball, as well as incorporating the young players. He's a guy who commands respect as well, and is humble in defeat. Think the time has come to go and get 'em.

Why would Ancelotti want to go back though? I doubt he fancies being sacked by Chelsea twice in his career.

Garzorico

After that post match interview it's hard to tell if Jose is losing his marbles or not. He looks a beaten man.

Shame but it is what it is.

Essien

If a new manager comes in then that's grand, but he has to be backed.

We can't wind up with players pushing another manager out. If some players aren't up for it, **** 'em, they can be replaced.

Ancelotti is about the only manager I'd be happy to see take over.

GavRedKing

I dont want Ancelotti either, no way in hell.

His league record is about as good as Rafas, we'd win games 3 or 4-0 every now and again but f**k away leads and points to bate the band.

Better than what we're serving up now, no doubt but not an option for me, plus he wouldnt come back.

Barr

GavRedKing wrote: »

I wouldnt be shocked to see Jose sacked now being honest, Lampard was right though, the season is a complete write off so dont sack him.

What Frank hasn’t said is keeping Jose will mean Hazard will go. It will cost zillions to replace him (if he can be replaced)

Cienciano

I didn't see the match, but what do you here think of Hazards injury? Was he really injured?

GavRedKing

Cienciano wrote: »

I didn't see the match, but what do you here think of Hazards injury? Was he really injured?

IMO, he may have been injured, looked to have landed right on his hip bone but he was unwilling to even give it a few minutes to see if he was able to shake it off.

I'm assuming he'll have a scan on it and if no injury is reported I can see him being "rested" for the foreseeable future.

GavRedKing

Barr wrote: »

What Frank hasn’t said is keeping Jose will mean Hazard will go. It will cost zillions to replace him (if he can be replaced)

So be it.

Hazard himself said he'll never be at Messi and ronaldos level and hes right but when your father, club and national manager come out and say he can lack drive and motivation, the attitude isnt 100% there.

Theres no doubting hes a fantastic footballer but there seems to be something lacking, I still want to keep him and see him tearing teams apart but those days appear to be long gone.

McDave

This is no longer a crisis. It's no longer a negotiation.

Either Jose works with the players that will work for him, and sidelines the rest, or he packs it in now. There's no point in everybody slitting each others throats.

GavRedKing

McDave wrote: »

This is no longer a crisis. It's no longer a negotiation.

Either Jose works with the players that will work for him, and sidelines the rest, or he packs it in now. There's no point in everybody slitting each others throats.

Assuming he keeps his job, I agree with ya.

Get to the end of the season with those of the senior team willing to train and fight and bring in some youth.

Play Kenedy, play RLC, play Taore.

Barr

GavRedKing wrote: »

So be it.

Hazard himself said he'll never be at Messi and ronaldos level and hes right but when your father, club and national manager come out and say he can lack drive and motivation, the attitude isnt 100% there.

Theres no doubting hes a fantastic footballer but there seems to be something lacking, I still want to keep him and see him tearing teams apart but those days appear to be long gone.

I would be gutted if Hazard went, no matter what the price.

Oh why couldn’t it have been Mikel that Jose had beef with

GavRedKing

Barr wrote: »

I would be gutted if Hazard went, no matter what the price.

Oh why couldn’t it have been Mikel that Jose had beef with

I'd even play Mikel over some of them at the moment, that says alot.

GavRedKing

Scant consolation, i had Mahrez and Vardy and Simpson in my FF this week. :P

McDave

cadaliac wrote: »

Thanks. Anything else from the salmon of knowledge?

:pac:

Barr

GavRedKing wrote: »

I'd even play Mikel over some of them at the moment, that says alot.

Things are not that bad :pac:

Sheepy99

Mahrez won me my head-to-head match. The highlight of my footballing weekend.

Garzorico

Barr wrote: »

Things are not that bad :pac:

We would gain control of the midfield.

Lukker-

GavRedKing wrote: »

Assuming he keeps his job, I agree with ya.

Get to the end of the season with those of the senior team willing to train and fight and bring in some youth.

Play Kenedy, play RLC, play Taore.

He trusts Hazard more then he trusts RLC. He hasn't even been on the bench in over a month. Jose doesn't have the balls to make changes like that.

He bitches and moans but he's ultimately responsible. If players aren't working for you drop them and bring in someone else. He has absolutely no right to complain after when he has stood by and watch players make the same mistakes all season.

Then he goes and essentially burns bridges with 75% of the squad.

Top man manager alright.

GavRedKing

Doesnt look too comfortable here



Moments before this Jose was freaking out that Hazard wanted to come off, about 10seconds after this, Ramires tried to play him aball and it rolled out as Hazard tried to move for it and he f**ked off down the tunnel.

McDave

GavRedKing wrote: »

Assuming he keeps his job, I agree with ya.

Get to the end of the season with those of the senior team willing to train and fight and bring in some youth.

Play Kenedy, play RLC, play Taore.

Yep. And fill a couple of gaps in January with competent players. Maybe stretch to Stones. Just enough to scramble up to mid-table.

Either way, a clean-out is in order. Put the 'For Sale' sign on Costa, Hazard and Cesc. They can train with the reserves if they want to keep their hands in fitness-wise for the Euros. :pac:

Barr

I can't see Jose going with youths somehow. Its just not his way.

SantryRed

Has Mourinho not been actively alienating some of the players this season? He called Hazard out in October when it was clear he was the only one capable of creating chances for the team.

I honestly don't think he's the answer and ever will be. He shows absolutely no willingness to bring in youth. I don't see the benefit of him being kept around long term. I don't think he's the man to break the Chelsea mould of the constant sackings of managers when the going gets tough.

LiamoSail

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Are you ok?

You support Liverpool. Don't think you can give the billy big balls about staying up or winning anything.

Pretty sure the last time Liverpool were concerned about relegation, Chelsea hadn't even formed in the Abramovich's womb

Lukker-

LiamoSail wrote: »

Pretty sure the last time Liverpool were concerned about relegation, Chelsea hadn't even formed in the Abramovich's womb

The last time Liverpool were relegated, Chelsea won the league the following season.

Try googling it next time.

Or just rabble on with the same old "Something something no history etc"

LiamoSail

Lukker- wrote: »

The last time Liverpool were relegated, Chelsea won the league the following season.

Try googling it next time.

Or just rabble on with the same old "Something something no history etc"

Ha, an unfortunate coincidence from my perspective.

Yea admittedly the no history thing is a low dig. It was in response to the more outlandish relegation claim made by the previous poster

symbolic

That is some post match from Mourinho.

Lukker-

LiamoSail wrote: »

Ha, an unfortunate coincidence from my perspective.

Yea admittedly the no history thing is a low dig. It was in response to the more outlandish relegation claim made by the previous poster

Pretty sure gowl is a United fan

dfx-

blueser wrote: »

I'd love to know just what's going on there at the moment. That's more or less the same squad (and manager) that strolled to the title 7 months ago. And let's be realistic here; on their day, they're capable of turning over any other team in the PL. Baffling how it's gone so pear shaped in such a relatively short period of time.

Just hit the wall I'd say. Not motivated by success as much, not listening to the manager, stagnation with same players being picked playing the same way, internal spats, loss of legs due to age, it happens to all successful teams eventually.

The problem is as I controversially (according to some Chelsea fans) mentioned in the Summer is that there needs to be a bulk clearout at some stage and Mourinho only wants his type of players and who are ready-to-go.

They're expensive.

Nesta99

GavRedKing wrote: »

When jose wanted a cb he club should have backed him.

Papy D and Hector were a waste of money never going to amount to anything.

Weve shown time and again that we lack a cb that command and take charge.

Now! now! We shall have no criticism of Michael Hector:D, he was great while at Dundalk, solid for Reading, kept Messi nice and quiet when away with Jamaica for the Confederations Cup. He is young lad that will cut it, bit soon for him but he be a better option than Terry at this stage. Cost a good few quid £4mil?

Turtwig

That first XI you guys have is brilliant. Swap iniesta or Modric for Cesc and you're ticking. How they're playing so terrible is absolutely baffling. Even when playing "bad" a team with that ability should still be winning most matches.

Jose has lost the players. He seems to do this everywhere. Burn bridges. You have two choices:

Accept this is part and parcel of Jose and work around it. Keep players on short cycles. That means a huge regular clear outs.
Sack Jose. Odds are if fergie or Carlo was in charge of those players you'd see them perform completely differently. Players are people, even in the army an unstable leader will eventually detriment the discipline of their squad.

Also for the love of Jesus get a manager that will develop your youth. There's some decent potential coming through.

gosplan

I'd stick with Jose personally but if that's happening, it's crucial that Matic, Cesc, Pedro, Hazard and anyone else, maybe Costa (but he looks to be at least trying) are benched.

Play

Ramieres, RLC, Willian, Remy etc and those other players don't get back in the first team squad.

In a few weeks bring Matic on for last 30 in a game - maybe he can play his way back in, then try with others one at a time and give them a small chance to redeem themselves which they either take or don't.

But it needs a sea change, and at this stage it's obvious that it has to be either a considerable group of players or the manager. It's clear from the difference between the CL and PL that Jose is not motivating certain players anymore.

The only worry I'd have about this is that these are all the players most recently at the club and I'd worry about Jose's ability to reinforce in Jan or summer. These players plus Cudrado, Luis etc were supposed to rejuvenate this team and they're actually the problem.

I'd have no doubt they're pulling a 'player power' thing and thinking that the manager will be gone soon enough. He need to cut that out asap.

It's a problem for Chelsea too. if Jose goes after what these players have done to him, it's not a problem that will end with his departure, it'll become a culture at the club that started with the likes of AVB and Rafa.

GavRedKing

Fully expecting to see him sacked today about midday.

Theres only so much the board will take with regards the results.