Ireland v France [build up thread]

lunarhog

if not Earls at 13, who else should replace Payne, if he is injured? Luke fitz is our only other realistic option and I doubt he would be much better

sydthebeat

lunarhog wrote: »

if not Earls at 13, who else should replace Payne, if he is injured? Luke fitz is our only other realistic option and I doubt he would be much better

i wonder has cave 12 henshaw 13 been tried out in training at all

Pudsy33

sydthebeat wrote: »

i wonder has cave 12 henshaw 13 been tried out in training at all

That would be my preference tbh. Cave, Luke, Earls in that order.

Fitz is a big lad and has a strong defensive game, wouldn't mind seeing him there. Funny how people have gone from outrage that Earls is out of the 23 to despair that he might start at 13, if he does he'll be fine.

molloyjh

I reckon Earls has been training at 13 hence his exclusion from those rumoured teams.

lunarhog

Oh yeah, Cave - good point. Id love to see Henshaw go toe to toe with Bastareaud if he was picked OC

MJohnston

imo we need a good bit more in defence at 13 than Earls can provide.

Pudsy33

Sky sports are reporting the team and Payne is in?

Neil3030

I'm now hearing from a friend who is usually around 50/50 with his insider info, that Kearney is also out and Hendy will start.

marco_polo

Payne out is not ideal for this game, but feic it tis a RWC injuries are going to happen. None of our center pairings are perfect but all can do a good job in different ways. For what its worth I'd have Cave in v that France midfield but Earls will do a job there has in big European games before.

case885

Its funny how Schmidt was defended to the hilt with bringing in toner and Kearney, now that earls is reportedly starting at 13 there's cries he isn't good enough to play there against France.

Pudsy33

Sky sports have published the team that was going around the past few days.

shuffol

I'd be very concerned about Earls in midfield against France, aside from the obvious fears of Bastareud running at him I think if there is space outside then Payne is more capable of executing an overlap be it through a switch with Sexton or just angling his run and timing his pass correctly.

Aside from that I don't think Earls is as good at getting his body right in contact to present the ball which is more important in midfield than the wing. He also tends to take a step infield when he receives the ball and can be a bit naive with some of his carries. Given how big a turnover threat Bastareud is this could cause real problems.

Neil3030

Start Henry, SOB to inside centre, Henshaw at 13.

rrpc

flangemeistro wrote: »

I'm on the way to A&E as I type!

You know you're wasting your time right?

They'll only prescribe some of this for you anyway :pac:

Pudsy33

case885 wrote: »

Its funny how Schmidt was defended to the hilt with bringing in toner and Kearney, now that earls is reportedly starting at 13 there's cries he isn't good enough to play there against France.

There is nothing funny about it at all.

lunarhog

Neil3030 wrote: »

Start Henry, SOB to inside centre, Henshaw at 13.

12 SOB
13 Healy

:cool:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

case885 wrote: »

Its funny how Schmidt was defended to the hilt with bringing in toner and Kearney, now that earls is reportedly starting at 13 there's cries he isn't good enough to play there against France.

How is that funny, or even connected to anything?

shuffol

case885 wrote: »

Its funny how Schmidt was defended to the hilt with bringing in toner and Kearney, now that earls is reportedly starting at 13 there's cries he isn't good enough to play there against France.

Would you like us to criticise Schmidt for Payne getting injured, that's reaching a bit.

thomond2006

Earls, Healy and Toner in.

Pudsy33

Everyone else reporting Earls now. Sky jumped the gun in a major way.

clsmooth

As expected with Earls 13 and Strauss in for Cronin :eek:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Kinsella confirming Payne out, Earls in on twitter.

thomond2006

https://twitter.com/Cumoski/status/652475430201593856?s=09

clsmooth

No Cronin is a surprise although I rate Strauss highly, would have though Cronin from the bench would be physically speaking better, although in a tight game I'd back Strauss's throwing

ken76

15. Rob Kearney
14. Tommy Bowe
13. Keith Earls
12. Robbie Henshaw
11. Dave Kearney
10. Johnny Sexton
9. Conor Murray
1. Cian Healy
2. Rory Best
3. Mike Ross
4. Devin Toner
5. Paul O’Connell (captain)
6. Peter O’Mahony
7. Sean O’Brien
8. Jamie Heaslip
Replacements:
16. Richardt Strauss
17. Jack McGrath
18. Nathan White
19. Iain Henderson
20. Chris Henry
21. Eoin Reddan
22. Ian Madigan
23. Luke Fitzgerald

sydthebeat

some embargo :P

Noopti

Seems to be about to start

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Fitzgerald on the bench instead of Zebo? Who goes to FB if Rob K has to come off?

pc7

clsmooth wrote: »

As expected with Earls 13 and Strauss in for Cronin :eek:

Is cronin injured?

shrapnel222

on rte

Ireland team to play France: R Kearney; Bowe, Earls, Henshaw, D Kearney; Sexton, Murray; Healy, Best, Ross; O’Connell, Toner; O’Mahony, O’Brien, Heaslip

clsmooth

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Fitzgerald on the bench instead of Zebo? Who goes to FB if Rob K has to come off?

D Kearney

Payne is such a massive loss. Better centre than Earls in every way that matters and in some ways exceedingly so.

Bowe and Kearney won't be seeing much of the ball unless it's sailing in-front of them at knee level on it's way to touch.

Noopti

Hah....team already out.

Wonder if the press are pissed about something. All reports this week have been about how open the French are compared to Ireland.

Not surprised to see Strauss on the bench, he has been in better form than Cronin.

shuffol

clsmooth wrote: »

No Cronin is a surprise although I rate Strauss highly, would have though Cronin from the bench would be physically speaking better, although in a tight game I'd back Strauss's throwing

Cronins throwing is fine but in a tight game I'd back Strauss for other reasons.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

The team is always released before the press conference starts. It's happened with every team in every game this WC.

total former

"Toner has been a big match player, more lineout ability. Hendo adds value at backend of the game"

MJohnston

At least it sounds like Payne will be back after this full time (however long that lasts)

awec

total former wrote: »

"Toner has been a big match player, more lineout ability. Hendo adds value at backend of the game"

You left out the rest of the quote which was effectively Schmidt saying he has one eye on next week. Seems Henderson is his man for the quarter final.

sydthebeat

"earls more likely facing off against fofana than basteraud"

total former

Asked about size difference between Earls and Basta, Joe says "more often than not he'll be marking Fofana" - so maybe Henshaw will defend the 13 channel?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Payne had swelling in the foot after Wednesday's training. Bit like Trimble's injury? Also says the selection choice is a mixture of injury and Earls' form?! His form has been on the wing. I call BS, Joe!

lunarhog

shuffol wrote: »

Cronins throwing is fine but in a tight game I'd back Strauss for other reasons.

cryptic....

total former

awec wrote: »

You left out the rest of the quote which was effectively Schmidt saying he has one eye on next week.

Ah jaysus awec, I'm not a stenographer like.

duckysauce

awec wrote: »

You left out the rest of the quote which was effectively Schmidt saying he has one eye on next week. Seems Henderson is his man for the quarter final.

yep

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

awec wrote: »

You left out the rest of the quote which was effectively Schmidt saying he has one eye on next week. Seems Henderson is his man for the quarter final.

One eye on New Zealand you mean

Only once have I ever posted a rumour on this forum :pac:

I had it right bar Earls/Payne

clsmooth

shuffol wrote: »

Cronins throwing is fine but in a tight game I'd back Strauss for other reasons.

He's an extra groundhog, but Cronins dynamism is a plus from the bench. If it was last play of the game, 5m from French line and a score needed, id much prefer to have Strauss throwing than Cronin

Noopti

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

The team is always released before the press conference starts. It's happened with every team in every game this WC.

Don't remember press releasing it like that though. It was always "leaked" and would appear in articles. Having said that I haven't been paying attention to team announcements as they happen, at all during this world cup. I would just see them on Ultimate Rugby or Twitter an hour or two after any press conference.

Mantis Toboggan

Any reason for Cronin not being on the bench?