Ireland v France [build up thread]

noway12345

rrpc wrote: »

Was I wrong? I actually started listening but turned off when he started into Payne again.

Did he change his tune?

This is what you said:

rrpc wrote: »

I'm not going over this again thanks.

Go look for the post where I quoted him verbatim.

And it wasn't anything like what you posted there.

You made a bad error and are now trying to cover for it.

Dave_The_Sheep

Bad rrpc, bad.

rrpc

noway12345 wrote: »

This is what you said:



You made a bad error and are now trying to cover for it.

noway12345

rrpc wrote: »

Still no apology. It'll hurt your ego?

MugMugs

.ak wrote: »

Was it not that he completed training but the foot was still giving him trouble after a full session?

I stand corrected! I took it up the completely wrong way clearly!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

techdiver wrote: »

I firmly believe that only Ireland out of the top ranked countries would think like that given the recent record and the terrible form of France for a number of years.

I hope the team have more belief in themselves than the public.

There were worrying signs in the warm ups and against Italy. If we lose on Sunday it will be because we once again peaked at the wrong time between world cup cycles and have regressed. I don't believe France are any better than they were in the 6 Nations.

Even if France aren't any better than they were in the 6 Nations we only beat them by one score. The year before it was a disallowed try that saved us, wasn't it? It's too close to call.

rrpc

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Even if France aren't any better than they were in the 6 Nations we only beat them by one score. The year before it was a disallowed try that saved us, wasn't it? It's too close to call.

Add to that the fact that they are in camp far longer and picking from a smaller squad. Completely different from the 6N.

noway12345

rrpc wrote: »

Add to that the fact that they are in camp far longer and picking from a smaller squad. Completely different from the 6N.

Too proud to apologise. I knew this would be the case.

stephen_n

penybont exile wrote: »

Been scanning through this thread this evening ..... Lots of interesting opinions.

This is how I see it .......

The Henderson / Toner debate is subjective and I don't think will have much influence on the outcome.

Healy looks unfit ..... Either that or he's a busted flush.

No try scoring threat in the back three. Bowe not the player he was. Kearney (D) overrated.

For some reason Ireland have a problem with the middle numbers (6,7,8,9,10). The back-row are not functioning as a unit. Murray has been sloppy. Sexton is standing too deep, is becoming too predictable and consequently easier to marshal. This in turn puts pressure on the outside backs.

The team is too conservative .... And I know there is general derision for G Hook on this forum bit in this instance he is right. Can't see this team getting a positive result ..... In fact I wouldn't be surprised if France win by 10 to 15 points.

And as for Darcy, poker, blinds, rabbits & hats ..... Don't make me laugh.

I'll be cheering for you though!!!

The fact Sexton was taking the ball on the flat was crippling us against Italy, if he had dropped deeper, it may have negated their line speed somewhat, so your comment their is just wrong.

Selection is too conservative? Who should be picked that wasn't picked in your opinion?

molloyjh

noway12345 wrote: »

Too proud to apologise. I knew this would be the case.

Oh dear god, do we all really need to see this?

ionadnapokot

penybont exile wrote: »

Ah ..... The good ole days ......

R on d way back;)

noway12345

molloyjh wrote: »

Oh dear god, do we all really need to see this?

You're embarrassed on his behalf?

rrpc

noway12345 wrote: »

Too proud to apologise. I knew this would be the case.

noway12345

rrpc wrote: »

Apology accepted, next time don't be so rash. I don't want to have to make a show of you again.

rrpc

noway12345 wrote: »

Apology accepted, next time don't be so rash. I don't want to have to make a show of you again.

Seriously?

A few pages back you ran away when challenged for misquoting me. On the same subject I might add. Get over yourself.

noway12345

rrpc wrote: »

Seriously?

A few pages back you ran away when challenged for misquoting me. On the same subject I might add. Get over yourself.

Red face for rrpc.

penybont exile

stephen_n wrote: »

The fact Sexton was taking the ball on the flat was crippling us against Italy, if he had dropped deeper, it may have negated their line speed somewhat, so your comment their is just wrong.

Selection is too conservative? Who should be picked that wasn't picked in your opinion?

McGrath
Henderson @ 6
Henry @ 7
Fits / Cave @ 13
Zebo & Earls on the wings.

Disagree regarding Sexton .... He went deeper and deeper as the game progressed as they just ran out of ideas ..... Apart from the "up and under". Eddie Waring would have been proud ......

stephen_n

penybont exile wrote: »

McGrath
Henderson @ 6
Henry @ 7
Fits / Cave @ 13
Zebo & Earls on the wings.

Disagree regarding Sexton .... He went deeper and deeper as the game progressed as they just ran out of ideas ..... Apart from the "up and under". Eddie Waring would have been proud ......

Would agree Earls should be on the wing, Zebo no he doesn't warrant selection. But playing Fitz or Cave at 13 wouldn't be any better an option than playing Earls there. Henderson isn't picked because our lineout malfunctioned both offensively and defensively against Italy, we simply can't afford that against France. If it's so easy to get the measure of Ireland playing this conservative rugby, how did we win back to back 6N going into this?

As an aside, I thought D'Arcys view of the Welsh issue with injuries, was very plausible. Did you read it?

shootermacg

I'm a Munster fan, but I think Earls seems to get a case of butter fingers more than most, also he tends to knock-on a lot in contact. Can't afford to do this in the big games.

Oh and I'm for bringing in Trimble, he's exactly what we need.

Stheno

shootermacg wrote: »

I'm a Munster fan, but I think Earls seems to get a case of butter fingers more than most, also he tends to knock-on a lot in contact. Can't afford to do this in the big games.

Oh and I'm for bringing in Trimble, he's exactly what we need.

Trimble isn't even in the squad!

shootermacg

Stheno wrote: »

Trimble isn't even in the squad!

Yes I bloody well know it, do you think I've been hiding under a rock since he made the headlines!

penybont exile

stephen_n wrote: »

Would agree Earls should be on the wing, Zebo no he doesn't warrant selection. But playing Fitz or Cave at 13 wouldn't be any better an option than playing Earls there. Henderson isn't picked because our lineout malfunctioned both offensively and defensively against Italy, we simply can't afford that against France. If it's so easy to get the measure of Ireland playing this conservative rugby, how did we win back to back 6N going into this?

As an aside, I thought D'Arcys view of the Welsh issue with injuries, was very plausible. Did you read it?

I thought the line out went OK. In any case I'd have Henderson in place of SOB so no impact to the line out.

Why no Zebo. He's far more of a threat than Kearney .....

I did read Darcy's article ..... Not sure to be honest .... I'd be falling on the side of it was just bad luck. Saying that it's not all bad .... We are exposing some new players to the big time and so far they are proving up to it.

Stheno

shootermacg wrote: »

Yes I bloody well know it, do you think I've been hiding under a rock since he made the headlines!

Well then why bother even suggesting bringing him in?

.ak

noway12345 wrote: »

Red face for rrpc.

Seriously, this sort of childish bickering won't be tolerated. Take it to PM and spare the rest of us from your petty jibes.

noway12345

.ak wrote: »

Seriously, this sort of childish bickering won't be tolerated. Take it to PM and spare the rest of us from your petty jibes.

Tell that to rrpc?

.ak

Do not argue with mods on thread.

shootermacg

Stheno wrote: »

Well then why bother even suggesting bringing him in?

If we bring him in tonight he'll be good to go for the QF!

Stheno

shootermacg wrote: »

If we bring him in tonight he'll be good to go for the QF!

We can't bring him in tonight unless one of the players in the squad are so badly injured they need to be replaced.

lunarhog

Theoretical q here. How confident out of ten will we beat France on Sunday with the team selected today.
And how would that change if Darce and BOD were the centre's....

lunarhog

That's an in form darce and BOD of course

ThisRegard

lunarhog wrote: »

That's an in form darce

Bearded or baby faced?

stephen_n

penybont exile wrote: »

I thought the line out went OK. In any case I'd have Henderson in place of SOB so no impact to the line out.

Why no Zebo. He's far more of a threat than Kearney .....

I did read Darcy's article ..... Not sure to be honest .... I'd be falling on the side of it was just bad luck. Saying that it's not all bad .... We are exposing some new players to the big time and so far they are proving up to it.

Serious bad luck though.

I don't think that Zebo is that much better than Kearney, that it would be an issue, Paynes injury probably did him no favours.

case885

Stheno wrote:

We can't bring him in tonight unless one of the players in the squad are so badly injured they need to be replaced.

Fitz is pretty injury prone, they could say he sprained his ankle getting out of the shower and then jet in Trimble. Problem solved :v

.ak

I think you just need to look at the difference between our two previous wins against them. A henshaw Payne midfield allowed us to employ our power plays and we dominated the game, but the year before darce and bod struggled to contain basteraud.

How earls will fit I'm in not sure... If he can defend well (and get his head on the right side!) he'll do fine, if we can force some gaps he'll take them but I think we'll miss payne's carrying and we'll see our backrow carrying a lot more like sob did in Italy.

shootermacg

lunarhog wrote: »

Theoretical q here. How confident out of ten will we beat France on Sunday with the team selected today.
And how would that change if Darce and BOD were the centre's....

I don't think this game will be lost or won in the centre. Ireland haven't performed so far this year. We are playing very deep, our passing is terrible, the ball is pretty much out the wing before any contact at all. The team aren't looking to punch holes.

I did think they were holding back a bit, but the italian game would have been a good place to show at least a little of our hand.

I'm expecting the team to revert to type, for the France game, high balls, territory, pressure. low risk carrying yada yada.

But I do respect JS enough to think he might be able to show something...and France would certainly be the game to show it.

lbj666

I actually went back and watched the last time Earls played 13 against France , the drawn match in Paris in 2012. Defensively he was up against Rougerie and Fofana , he did fine. But there was a f up between himself and darce where they both charged out of the line for a loose ball but the french got it first and Fofana scored off it. Some of his trademark straightning the line and charging towards contact when better options were out wide. Never really caught out in an exposed position but would have been tested more if the french passing was more accurate. If close quarter even back then when he was lighter he was more than capable of driving players back on their arse.


Off course sunday is a totally different prospect.

duskyjoe

Route one through our centres tomorrow me fears.

SheldonC17

duskyjoe wrote: »

Route one through our centres tomorrow me fears.

Bowe at 13 anyone?

shootermacg

duskyjoe wrote: »

Route one through our centres tomorrow me fears.

I wouldn't worry about our centres as far as route one is concerned, but we all know who'll target Sexton.

Bastareaud will not fare so well against Henshaw or Payne. His barrel chest and short arms should cough up a lot of ball.

rrpc

shootermacg wrote: »

I wouldn't worry about our centres as far as route one is concerned, but we all know who'll target Sexton.

Bastareaud will not fare so well against Henshaw or Payne. His barrel chest and short arms should cough up a lot of ball.

You do know Payne isn't in the squad? Earls is starting.

Losty Dublin

Well, Gleesons is safe for Sunday

http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/international/ross-o-carroll-kelly-when-the-tracksuits-and-sheepskins-collide-1.2385948

.ak

Match thread here.