“Anti-male” activist faces court in UK

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Mustafa Bahar, the welfare and diversity officer at Goldsmiths University student union in south London, has been summonsed to court regarding a “complaint of racially motivated malicious communications made on a social media network”.

She had used the hashtag #KillAllWhiteMen on social media earlier this year. When she was accused of racism, she said.

“I, an ethnic minority woman [huh?], cannot be racist or sexist towards white men, because racism and sexism describes structures of privilege based on race and gender.

And therefore women of colour [again, huh?] and minority genders cannot be racist or sexist because we do not stand to benefit from such a system.”

Bahar Mustafa also organised an event on Facebook for black and minority ethnic (BME students), but posted a comment saying

“Also, if you've been invited and you're a man and/or white PLEASE DON’T COME just cos I invited a bunch of people and hope you will be responsible enough to respect this is a BME Women and non-binary event only.”

Obviously, there are freedom of speech issues here, but what do you think? Should she be summonsed to court?

https://twitter.com/everyjoedotcom/status/651446957592809472

Metroboulot

She might need to re-check her definition of racism and sexism.
There's no special exemption just because you're targeting a group that's seen to be in an established position or because you yourself are in a minority group.

As the old saying goes "Two wrongs don't make a right!"

darkpagandeath

Aye inciting hate crimes is frowned upon.

wakka12

I suppose..but really were any white males even slightly offended by this? If it said no gays or no blacks it would cause real hurt. I don't care about what she said, Im a white male, and I honestly don't think theres any white male out there who felt genuinely offended or hurt by this issue

Amirani

Freedom of speech doesn't extend to incitement to hatred.

Metroboulot

Also, I don't think you're allowed to go around calling on anyone to "#KillAll...." unless you're talking about maybe rogue processes running in a UNIX-like operating system and you're a coder.

Otherwise, it's a bit of a no-no, especially in the UK at the moment.

Fleawuss

Shows the silliness of trying to define things in a way to excuse yourself from the very offence you seek to condemn.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Depends - what is she officially charged with?

Lucifer MorningStar

Anyone else think she looks like a man ?

fleet_admiral

Double standards

She got to keep her 'Job' after what she said yet a male lecturer had to resign after he said female scientists cry and fall in love

Patrick Wheelock

I wonder what Jane Ruffino thinks?

Metroboulot

We've enough problems with people going around taking out their anger on random individuals and I'm sorry, but calling (even on Twitter in jest or just as a silly way of expressing one's self) to "Kill" any group of people is absolutely ridiculous behaviour.

Also, taking out your anger on white males, most of whom (like any population) are probably absolutely nice, normal, friendly, open minded individuals is absolutely ridiculous stuff.

Also, she'll find out rather quickly that the UK has a general principle of freedom of speech, but it doesn't extend to stuff like that.

strelok

she's a ****ing see you next friday but she shouldn't face any criminal charges over it, kill all men is just a way for feminists to let their hair down and tell the world what they really think, it's very rarely an actual call to arms.

Rippington

All she has done is make herself a target for some of the more violent members of society who may take offense and / or just assault her 'cuz she gav us a good reason to guv ,ya know wot I mean ? '

Metroboulot

Well, if you publish a statement like that, it's more than reasonable for the police and judiciary to dig around to see whether or not you're serious, and that may mean a day in court.

marklazarcovic

feel free to hate all white men lady, but to call on all of them to be killed ...way to far

darkpagandeath

strelok wrote: »

she's a ****ing see you next friday but she shouldn't face any criminal charges over it, kill all men is just a way for feminists to let their hair down and tell the world what they really think, it's very rarely an actual call to arms.

So words have Consequences only to certain groups now ? Pretty sure one would not be saying that if it was in relation to. Black people, Gay and so on so forth. Hate is hate that's why we have laws.

osarusan

She's probably delighted.

More grist for her persecution mill.

strelok

darkpagandeath wrote: »

So words have Consequences only to certain groups now ? Pretty sure one would not be saying that if it was in relation to. Black people, Gay and so on so forth. Hate is hate that's why we have laws.

I would

there is a world of difference between hating a group of people and outright trying to convince another group of people to murder or violently assault the original group.

No I think summoning her to court is extremely....well, extreme. If everyone who said something silly on Twitter was brought to face trial, there'd probably be never-ending queues of people outside every courthouse in the Western world!

She seems like a deeply unpleasant person, and she for sure should have resigned from her position because of the stupidity of a welfare officer engaging in the #KillAllWhiteMen hashtag (even though said hashtag is almost certainly used ironically or satirically and I very much doubt that 99% of the people who used it *actually* want all white men to be killed). But bringing her to court over it just seems petty and unnecessary.

As it happens, given the whole 'BME Women event only' thing was what kicked this all off, I don't necessarily think there's a problem with having women-only or BME-only events as long as they serve a good purpose (women/non-white people openly discussing the misogyny and/or racism they've felt) and not just a "white men all suck and should die, amirite?" Her whole "I can't be racist because WHITE MEN PRIVILEGE RAAARGH" response was dumb but the backlash over the event in the first place was also kind of OTT; I wonder how many white men (or white women) out there are actually offended by the event and not just acting offended for the sake of it?

Metroboulot

The British police have taken people to court over far lesser Twitter statements.

Publish a death threat, you'll go to court. Simple as.

Links234

Fletcher Greasy Sieve wrote: »

Obviously, there are freedom of speech issues here, but what do you think? Should she be summonsed to court?

No, she shouldn't. It's trumped up bollocks, and reminds me a lot of the Twitter Joke Trial, only less of an issue.

Rippington

Deleted User wrote: »

I wonder how many white men (or white women) out there are actually offended by and not just acting offended for the sake of it?

I would imagine most will laugh and treat her with the contempt she deserves.

darkpagandeath

Deleted User wrote: »

No I think summoning her to court is extremely....well, extreme. If everyone who said something silly on Twitter was brought to face trial, there'd probably be never-ending queues of people outside every courthouse in the Western world!

She seems like a deeply unpleasant person, and she for sure should have resigned from her position because of the stupidity of a welfare officer engaging in the #KillAllWhiteMen hashtag (even though said hashtag is almost certainly used ironically or satirically and I very much doubt that 99% of the people who used it *actually* want all white men to be killed). But bringing her to court over it just seems petty and unnecessary.

As it happens, given the whole 'BME Women event only' thing was what kicked this all off, I don't necessarily think there's a problem with having women-only or BME-only events as long as they serve a good purpose (women/non-white people openly discussing the misogyny and/or racism they've felt) and not just a "white men all suck and should die, amirite?" Her whole "I can't be racist because WHITE MEN PRIVILEGE RAAARGH" response was dumb but the backlash over the event in the first place was also kind of OTT; I wonder how many white men (or white women) out there are actually offended by the event and not just acting offended for the sake of it?

No one needs to be offended, It mentions Race specifically. We have laws against hate. You know Hate crimes.

Links234

I wonder, would all the people who voted yes be in favour of a trip to the joy for every After Hours user who said "we should round up all the knackers, stick 'em on an island and nuke it" or words to that effect? Y'know, for inciting violence or something, whatever trumpted up ****e this woman's being charged with.

MrPudding

Luckily for many people, being a fcuking dickhead is not illegal.

MrP

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

I wonder, would all the people who voted yes be in favour of a trip to the joy for every After Hours user who said "we should round up all the knackers, stick 'em on an island and nuke it" or words to that effect? Y'know, for inciting violence or something, whatever trumpted up ****e this woman's being charged with.

Knackers are not a race, If they said the T word then and kill then yes. Normal people don't have access to Nuclear weapons. A hate crime is a Hate crime.

suicide_circus

Women's studies lulz

fleet_admiral

She has a face like a bag of broken bells

eviltwin

Links234 wrote: »

I wonder, would all the people who voted yes be in favour of a trip to the joy for every After Hours user who said "we should round up all the knackers, stick 'em on an island and nuke it" or words to that effect? Y'know, for inciting violence or something, whatever trumpted up ****e this woman's being charged with.

I've said stuff like that, we all do, it's a figure of speech not to be taken literally but posting it on Twitter is another thing, making kill all men a hashtag is another thing. She deserves everything she gets.

Links234

#KillAllHumans

Fox_In_Socks

TRIGGERWARNING!!!!


I may have left off.

I've heard that nonsense redefinition of racism before all right
computer says no

I'm not really into arresting people for things they say on twitter but if you're going to, I can agree with her being on the list

Fr_Dougal

Links234 wrote: »

#KillAllHumans

There's a massive difference between this and #killallwhitemen. How would you feel if someone wrote #KillAllTransgender ?

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

#KillAllHumans

Would be more of a species, And TBH that would be self hate would it not ?

RayM

Any man who was genuinely offended by her silly tweet really needs to have a long, hard look at himself. Consider developing a thicker skin, perhaps. And a sense of perspective while you're at it.

suicide_circus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWrlbRdJsSE

darkpagandeath

RayM wrote: »

Any man who was genuinely offended by her silly tweet really needs to have a long, hard look at himself. Consider developing a thicker skin, perhaps. And a sense of perspective while you're at it.

Who's offended ? It's a Hate crime nothing to do with offence. I enjoy stupid people thinking one kind of bigotry is ok. Hence happy she is up in court.

suicide_circus

I agree it's stupid. Stupid like the world she lives in an propogates.

the evasion_kid

Wonder if her supporters are doing the #pissforequality for her

http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/pissforequality-feminists-fall-for-hoax-campaign-pee-on-themselves/

darkpagandeath

the evasion_kid wrote: »

Wonder if her supporters are doing the #pissforequality for her

http://rightwingnews.com/top-news/pissforequality-feminists-fall-for-hoax-campaign-pee-on-themselves/

figured 4chan..

Links234

Fr_Dougal wrote: »

There's a massive difference between this and #killallwhitemen. How would you feel if someone wrote #KillAllTransgender ?

Depends on context, if it's ironic, a joke in poor taste, or is it a serious call to kill all transgender people? Nuance can still be a thing.

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

Depends on context, if it's ironic, a joke in poor taste, or is it a serious call to kill all transgender people? Nuance can still be a thing.

Yes it can in a conversation, But with no context online in text form not so much.

RayM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Who's offended ? It's a Hate crime nothing to do with offence. I enjoy stupid people thinking one kind of bigotry is ok. Hence happy she is up in court.

It's a 'hate crime' in the same way as Baz Ashmawy's 'Fifty Ways to kill your Mammy' on Sky 1 is incitement to matricide. Get some perspective. Jesus wept.

Fr_Dougal

Links234 wrote: »

Depends on context, if it's ironic, a joke in poor taste, or is it a serious call to kill all transgender people? Nuance can still be a thing.

That's the thing, if it's ironic or a joke in poor taste; there will always be at least one numpty that takes it seriously. BS tweets like that serve no purpose, there is no upside, nothing good can come from them.

darkpagandeath

RayM wrote: »

It's a 'hate crime' in the same way as Baz Ashmawy's 'Fifty Ways to kill your Mammy' on Sky 1 is incitement to matricide. Get some perspective. Jesus wept.

So one form of Bigotry is ok now ? Don't need to get a grip the law is the law one cant pick and choose what kind of hate to punish. All or none that's how it works.

strelok

i wonder if bahar mustafa is beach body ready

she's got a few months to get working on it anyway

um7y1h83ge06nx

I find it a bit strange that people think that is okay to say what they like about males as they are privileged supposedly.

There was the exact same narrative around Jews. Jews were privileged as they were well off, business owners, money lenders etc.

Be some crack if she ever ends up having a son. Poor bastard, he'll be living in guilt all his life!

Links234

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yes it can in a conversation, But with no context online in text form not so much.

Do you call the cops on everyone who says "Eat sh*t and die" or "Die in a fire" online?

darkpagandeath

Links234 wrote: »

Do you call the cops on everyone who says "Eat sh*t and die" or "Die in a fire" online?

Why would I ? One is under the impression I am offended by what she said. I am not. But the law is the law and what she said is a textbook example of hate it mentions Race specifically. Now we cant try people for saying black and let the white comment slide. I would have thought that's not the done thing. Equality and all that. :rolleyes:

NachoBusiness

Links234 wrote: »

No, she shouldn't. It's trumped up bollocks, and reminds me a lot of the Twitter Joke Trial, only less of an issue.

Considering some of the issues you have raised on this forum which you felt were transphobic, I find it a little bit telling now that you feel this is just "trumped up bollocks".

Does hate speak only count if you're in a minority?

She deserves anything that's coming to her.


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