RSA ?? v ?? USA

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:26pm

awec wrote: »

What did I miss?

a worse incident than payne on goode.........unsanctioned

CurryFlavoured · 07-10-2015 5:26pm

De Villiers clearing out the ref there.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 5:26pm

Who gets the credit for a penalty try? Specifically that one.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:27pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

im agreeing with you. i just don't understand why in a transaction involving two people catching the ball one person has more culpability than the other.

you could argue that scully was the more dangerous of the two. he left the ground of his own volition, connected with habanas face, and ended up landing arse over tit for his troubles.

You were talking about flattening your opponent

efb · 07-10-2015 5:27pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

im agreeing with you. i just don't understand why in a transaction involving two people catching the ball one person has more culpability than the other.

you could argue that scully was the more dangerous of the two. he left the ground of his own volition, connected with habanas face, and ended up landing arse over tit for his troubles.

The guy in the air has less control

sullivlo · 07-10-2015 5:27pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Who gets the credit for a penalty try? Specifically that one.

Tends to just be listed as penalty try. It was against the USA tight head so perhaps the SA loose?

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:28pm

efb wrote: »

Suspended much?

never.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:28pm

efb wrote: »

The guy in the air has less control

but he put himself there

.ak · 07-10-2015 5:28pm

Well today I learned you can add flags into thread titles...

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:30pm

efb wrote: »

You were talking about flattening your opponent

i wouldn't go up to timidly catch the ball. id jump to catch and bump off with force anyone who dared come near.

Tigerandahalf · 07-10-2015 5:30pm

S Africa looking pretty ordinary. Slow and ponderous at the ruck. If the US weren't getting destroyed in the scrum it would be interesting.
Mustn't be much talent in S Africa if they are still reliant on the oldies.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 5:30pm

.ak wrote: »

Well today I learned you can add flags into thread titles...

Is that what the squares are? I'm just seeing squares.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:31pm

.ak wrote: »

Well today I learned you can add flags into thread titles...

I am all about flags

efb · 07-10-2015 5:31pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Is that what the squares are? I'm just seeing squares.

On phone (emoji)

efb · 07-10-2015 5:32pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

i wouldn't go up to timidly catch the ball. id jump to catch and bump off with force anyone who dared come near.

You said you'd flatten them, then as you weren't suspended I suspect artistic licence

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 5:33pm

Tigerandahalf wrote: »

S Africa looking pretty ordinary. Slow and ponderous at the ruck. If the US weren't getting destroyed in the scrum it would be interesting.
Mustn't be much talent in S Africa if they are still reliant on the oldies.

Weirdly Kriel and de Allende were excellent during the RC and despite RSA losing all their games they looked really good against much better teams than they've played so far at the WC. They haven't looked anything special at the WC, so far.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:34pm

I wanted to do a match thread and by accident I have! And I impressed the Mod with my use of emoji 😊

efb · 07-10-2015 5:35pm

Ulstermen love their flegs though...

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 5:35pm

Is there a new directive not to give penalties against the southern hemisphere teams? Really poor officiating again today. Habana had a duty of care in the collision with Scully and he shirked it completely. Last season players were receiving red cards for lesser collisions; Habana isn't even penalised for this one?!

Burger could have had a yellow early in the first half for dragging a player to the ground in a headlock.

And don't get me started on the Michael Hooper copout...

efb · 07-10-2015 5:35pm

This is fairly one sided

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 5:36pm

efb wrote: »

This is fairly one sided

The officiating or the rugby?

efb · 07-10-2015 5:36pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Is there a new directive not to give penalties against the southern hemisphere teams? Really poor officiating again today. Habana had a duty of care in the collision with Scully and he shirked it completely. Last season players were receiving red cards for lesser collisions; Habana isn't even penalised for this one?!

Burger could have had a yellow early in the first half for dragging a player to the ground in a headlock.

And don't get me started on the Michael Hooper copout...

I thought Habana would get yellow, but I'm a stickler

efb · 07-10-2015 5:36pm

Moflojo wrote: »

The officiating or the rugby?

Potato potatoe

matthew8 · 07-10-2015 5:37pm

Harsh penalty against USA to end the half, thought it was ruck, certainly it was by the standard the referee called ruck last time a US player got over the ball.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:38pm

14-0 HT 😴😴😴

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 5:38pm

efb wrote: »

I thought Habana would get yellow, but I'm a stickler

Agreed - I'd have thought Yellow at the minimum, but not even a penalty given? Crazy. Habana hadn't gotten off the ground either, so it can't be said it was a genuine aerial contest.

AbusesToilets · 07-10-2015 5:39pm

Decent enough half from the USA, making life difficult for the Boks. Still lacking incision in the 22, never going to out bosh SA.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:42pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Pienaar is in the RSA squad. He played in the ill fated Japan match along with Kirchner and neither have been seen since. Actually I think Pienaar came on at the end of the Scotland game for about 2 minutes.

😳 My bad!!!

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:49pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Is there a new directive not to give penalties against the southern hemisphere teams? Really poor officiating again today. Habana had a duty of care in the collision with Scully and he shirked it completely. Last season players were receiving red cards for lesser collisions; Habana isn't even penalised for this one?!

Burger could have had a yellow early in the first half for dragging a player to the ground in a headlock.

And don't get me started on the Michael Hooper copout...

hooper copout?

surely you mean o mahoney copout? he got zero.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 5:51pm

Here's the Habana/Scully incident.

https://twitter.com/fantasyrugger/status/651800715338366976

Dave_The_Sheep · 07-10-2015 5:51pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Agreed - I'd have thought Yellow at the minimum, but not even a penalty given? Crazy. Habana hadn't gotten off the ground either, so it can't be said it was a genuine aerial contest.

This is what was strange for me. He is barely off the ground, if at all. I can't see how that's a fair aerial contest. Yes, he's got eyes on the ball, but if he's not really in the air, that doesn't mean much if the defender lands on his neck as he did in this case.

Tough one to adjudicate, and while the red card for Payne might have been harsh - a yellow wouldn't be, and in this case not even a penalty? Nah.

Copa Mundial · 07-10-2015 5:51pm

Great turnover there.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 5:52pm

efb wrote: »

You said you'd flatten them, then as you weren't suspended I suspect artistic licence

yeah , flatten. same way you would try and flatten someone in a tackle. its just slang.
id so the same in gaa. you are jumping with the objective to catch the ball but with the added criteria of not coming off second best physically.

same in soccer. i slide in to get the ball, but make sure the man gets minced too ( within the law)

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 5:52pm

Habana looks infront of kicker
Edit: oh flat actually so fair enough to give it
Habana creeping up to Lomu Record

TICKLE_ME_ELMO · 07-10-2015 5:53pm

That's a tight one.

They're using these Hawkeye angles to judge it.

awec · 07-10-2015 5:55pm

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Here's the Habana/Scully incident.

https://twitter.com/fantasyrugger/status/651800715338366976

That wasn't even a penalty?

What a crock of absolute shit once again.

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 5:55pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

hooper copout?

surely you mean o mahoney copout? he got zero.

In my opinion there was malicious intent in the Hooper incident, and he also took a 10 metre run at his intended target. Referee chose not to review the incident with the TMO and no card was issued.

O'Mahony took a 3 metre run at the ruck and, in my opinion, the contact was shoulder-on-shoulder, although close to the neck area. The TMO reviewed it and O'Mahony spent 10 minutes in the bin at a critical period in a close game.

Apples and oranges in my opinion.

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 5:57pm

Habana getting the benefit of the doubt again there for the try. To me he looked to be a step in front of the kicker. Nothing going USA's way.

efb · 07-10-2015 5:58pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

yeah , flatten. same way you would try and flatten someone in a tackle. its just slang.
id so the same in gaa. you are jumping with the objective to catch the ball but with the added criteria of not coming off second best physically.

same in soccer. i slide in to get the ball, but make sure the man gets minced too ( within the law)

If I was ref you would walk

stadedublinois · 07-10-2015 5:59pm

Moflojo wrote: »

Habana getting the benefit of the doubt again there for the try. To me he looked to be a step in front of the kicker. Nothing going USA's way.

I think it was because of the ref's question. If he had said yes or no, would it have been given?

efb · 07-10-2015 5:59pm

awec wrote: »

That wasn't even a penalty?

What a crock of absolute shit once again.

Blah blah blah contact sport... Blah play physical

efb · 07-10-2015 6:00pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

yeah , flatten. same way you would try and flatten someone in a tackle. its just slang.
id so the same in gaa. you are jumping with the objective to catch the ball but with the added criteria of not coming off second best physically.

same in soccer. i slide in to get the ball, but make sure the man gets minced too ( within the law)

How can you mince someone within the law??? Reckless challenge is an offence

wp_rathead · 07-10-2015 6:01pm

Hopefully America manage to get themselves a try

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:02pm

efb wrote: »

If I was ref you would walk

never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

nehe milner skudder · 07-10-2015 6:02pm

efb wrote: »

How can you mince someone within the law??? Reckless challenge is an offence

an over zealous meaty challenge.

AbusesToilets · 07-10-2015 6:04pm

Ref favoring the Boks with most of the rucks, letting them get away with a lot of spoiling on the deck.

efb · 07-10-2015 6:04pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

never heard the phrase "man and ball" ?

i am not talking about doing anything out of the ordinary. happens in every game. I've never been sanctioned in any sport- genuinely.

Well then you are all talk imho - or played at a level that these things weren't clamped down on

efb · 07-10-2015 6:04pm

nehe milner skudder wrote: »

an over zealous meaty challenge.

Off!

Moflojo · 07-10-2015 6:05pm

stadedublinois wrote: »

I think it was because of the ref's question. If he had said yes or no, would it have been given?

Good point. A lot of the refs in this world cup seem to be bowing to the opinion of the TMO, even if they can see it on the big screen themselves.

There appear to be only two referees that are confident enough to overrule the TMO and go with their own gut. One of those is Nigel Owens. The other, dare I say it, is Wayne Barnes (for better or worse).

RedemptionZ · 07-10-2015 6:05pm

Habana/Scully incident handled well by the ref. His eyes were on the ball and he was bloody close to getting that ball. How are you supposed to compete for your own kick if you're given a yellow for that? Just because it's been given before doesn't mean it was the right call.

RSA ?? v ?? USA

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