Dublin Fingal General Election

Allyall

TrueIt wrote: »

I'm not sure but he has received a huge amount of transfers.
Is the count finished until tomorrow?

Just saw this

01:08

Count adjourned. A recheck called by Cllr Barry Martin who is just 22 votes behind Lorraine Clifford Lee for sixth place. The count will return at 10.0am tomorrow morning.

01:15

So an abrupt end to a long day. Clare Daly joined FF's Darragh O'Brien, who topped the poll, after four counts, but there's a lot of drama to play out here tomorrow. James Reilly is in an almighty scrap to keep his seat, with his own party all but throwing in the towel. There's three seats to fill, you can keep up to date with developments on our national tracker.

rock whore

Allyall wrote: »

Who is Barry Martin likely to transfer his votes to, does anyone have an idea? Is he Left/Right/in the middle?
and Lorraine Clifford-Lee? Labour?

He's allied with Clare Daly so definitely from the left.
His transfers are unlikely to go to FG/FF.
It looks like this recount could determine the outcome because the last seat will probably swing wildly depending on who is excluded next.
Will it be Martin or Clifford-Lee?

Wishbone Ash

rock whore wrote: »

He's allied with Clare Daly so definitely from the left.

Yes - as much of Daly's votes come from the Swords area, Rush based Martin, hoped to attract similar type votes from the northern end of the constituency Balbriggan, Skerries, Rush, Lusk etc..

weldoninhio

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Ticking a box is a valid vote, assuming it's one box.

Not any more. Only numbers count. There was some Supreme Court ruling. There's a thread on it in the politics forum.

Beasty

rock whore wrote: »

He's allied with Clare Daly so definitely from the left.
His transfers are unlikely to go to FG/FF.
It looks like this recount could determine the outcome because the last seat will probably swing wildly depending on who is excluded next.
Will it be Martin or Clifford-Lee?

That only leaves Lab and SF to pick up a lot of those transfers, which makes sense. It will be interesting to see if Louise O'Reilly can make any inroads into Brendan Ryan with those transfers although it looks like they will pick up seats 4 & 5 anyway

However the way this works I'm pretty sure both Clifford-Lee and Martin's transfers will kick in at some stage, and if so it should make little if any difference which order they come in.

AndyBoBandy

What's Louise O'Reilly going to do if she gets a seat? Will she relocate to somewhere in the constituency? Will she start to tackle local issues?
Or will she simply be another vote for Sinn Féin in the Dáil, and not be too bothered about Dublin Fingal.

Wishbone Ash

weldoninhio wrote: »

Not any more. Only numbers count. There was some Supreme Court ruling. There's a thread on it in the politics forum.

Have you read the earlier posts in this thread clarifying that?

The situation in Kerry arose because of non-sequenced numbers which were originally allowed by the returning officer. The plantiff lost the election by 2 votes. However, it was discovered that some voters had commenced their number sequence on the first ballot paper for one election and continued the sequence on the second ballot paper for a separate election. The returning officer permitted those ballot papers beginning with no. 3, treating it as a 'no.1. That is what the Supreme Court ruling was about - nothing to do with ticks or 'X's'.

A single tick or a single X is permitted as it clearly indicates a preference and is treated as if it were a no. 1 to that candidate.

Wishbone Ash

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

What's Louise O'Reilly going to do if she gets a seat? Will she relocate to somewhere in the constituency? Will she start to tackle local issues?
Or will she simply be another vote for Sinn Féin in the Dáil, and not be too bothered about Dublin Fingal.

There's is no requirement to live in a constituency where one is elected. Joan Bruton, Shane Ross and many other TD's do not live in their constituency.

Local issues should be a matter for County Councillors. TD's are elected to represent us at our national assembly. I accept however that many people expect TD's to do 'local' work. When I'm canvassed, I always ask prospective candidates what they intend to do nationally not locally. I usually get puzzled looks.

The Hill Billy

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tHB

Jimdagym

Counting resumed at 10.

Still waiting for anything to filter through.

Allyall

rock whore wrote: »

He's allied with Clare Daly so definitely from the left.
His transfers are unlikely to go to FG/FF.
It looks like this recount could determine the outcome because the last seat will probably swing wildly depending on who is excluded next.
Will it be Martin or Clifford-Lee?

Ahh.. Couldn't place him for a bit. They look like Mother and Son in the posters. Now I got him.

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

What's Louise O'Reilly going to do if she gets a seat? Will she relocate to somewhere in the constituency? Will she start to tackle local issues?
Or will she simply be another vote for Sinn Féin in the Dáil, and not be too bothered about Dublin Fingal.

Same question, every other candidate.

TrueIt

"I am still in the fight for the 5th seat. RTE NEWS "Count adjourned. A recheck called by Cllr Barry Martin who is just 22 votes behind Lorraine Clifford Lee for sixth place. The count will return at 10.0am tomorrow morning."

From Barry Martin's Facebook 2am last night.

rock whore

Allyall wrote: »

Ahh.. Couldn't place him for a bit. They look like Mother and Son in the posters.

I can't unsee this now. Laughing out loud on the bus

Jimdagym

Barry Martin eliminated after recheck of 8th count complete.

Allyall

Clifford-Lee Eliminated after 9th count

Alan Farrell just tweeted
"On my way to the count centre to be deemed elected."

Beasty

Lorraine Clifford-Lee has gone, leaving Alan Farrell, Brendan Ryan, Louise O'Reilly and James Reilly to fight for 3 places. Reilly will need a massive transfer from Clifford-Lee which simply is not going to happen, so in my view it's now all pretty much done and dusted.

Beasty

Allyall wrote: »

Alan Farrell just tweeted
"On my way to the count centre to be deemed elected."

I'm sure he'll get in without any need for further transfers. Not a mathematical certainly yet, but probably as near as you can get without it.

Allyall

Yeah, seems likely.

Who will Clifford-Lee transfers go to?

SF?
LAB?
FG?

Even if she gave them to James Reilly it wouldn't be enough. So I presume they'll go to Labour?

So What happens when SF don't reach the Quota?

Wishbone Ash

Allyall wrote: »

..So What happens when SF don't reach the Quota?

There is no requirement to reach the quota. When all the transfers are done the remaining seats are filled by those with the most votes - i.e. deemed to be elected without reaching the quota.

Beasty

Yep - one more elimination (which is pretty certain to be Reilly) and it's all over. It's possible that no-one else will get a quota - certainly I think only Farrell has a realistic chance of one from Clifford-Lee's transfers

Stheno

Tenth count live now Reilly is gone

AndyBoBandy

That's it, done and dusted.

gladrags

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

That's it, done and dusted.

What is the final list of TD's elected.

Stheno

gladrags wrote: »

What is the final list of TD's elected.

O'brien, Daly, Farrell, Ryan and o'Reilly

Allyall

gladrags wrote: »

What is the final list of TD's elected.

http://www.rte.ie/news/election-2016/constituencies/dublin-fingal/

Well that was a mess..

As above

BMJD

I for one welcome our new Crumlin-based SF overlord :mad:

sidcon

BMJD wrote: »

I for one welcome our new Crumlin-based SF overlord :mad:

And so do I, this country has asked for change yet the same people are elected every 5 years.
You don't need to live in the area to represent us.
Do you only look for work or work in Fingal?

The definition of insanity - doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the same results.

Beasty

Proof of the pudding and all that stuff. SF have a chance to show what they are made of, both locally as well as nationally.

Bottom line though is the electorate have spoken, and we've got who we, as a constituency, voted for

Allyall

BMJD wrote: »

I for one welcome our new Crumlin-based SF overlord :mad:

To me, that makes much more sense than re-electing somebody that has been in for the past 5 years, and literally done nothing. I don't and won't pretend to understand that.

Stheno

Reilly moaning on RTE and the Indo that he always felt that there were issues going against him in how FG managed the vote. And that some of the decisions taken by the Cabinet were repugnant to him as a doctor.