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2 dead including Garda following shooting Omeath Co Louth

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    #212
    padd b1975
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    my friend wrote: »
    Mackin the same as Gerry Adams so then, sure he wasn't a member either.

    According to Morning Ireland, he had similar interests to "the brother".


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    #213
    My name is URL
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    efb wrote: »
    Minister Fitzgerald has increased Garda numbers

    Riiight. Ask any serving member, particularly newer recruits, if she and her party has done enough to make their lives easier or their job safer and see what they say.

    You can hysterically rant on about SF and Gerry Adams all you want, but they aren't anywhere near as culpable for this kind of incident as the parties in government are. One Garda having to attend a call-out like that on their own ain't the fault of any opposition party no matter what agenda you have, or what spin you want to put on things.

    Keep on posting tewwts on their behalf though, like some deranged YFG shrill; while whining about 'shinnerbots' when people call you out on it :rolleyes:


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    #214
    Streetwalker
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    my friend wrote: »
    More shinnerbot whataboutery

    "Shinnerbot" What are you five?


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    #215
    efb
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Riiight. Ask any serving member, particularly newer recruits, if she and her party has done enough to make their lives easier or their job safer and see what they say.

    You can hysterically rant on about SF and Gerry Adams all you want, but they aren't anywhere near as culpable for this kind of incident as the parties in government are. One Garda having to attend a call-out like that on their own ain't the fault of any opposition party no matter what agenda you have, or what spin you want to put on things.

    Keep on posting tewwts on their behalf though, like some deranged YFG shrill; while whining about 'shinnerbots' when people call you out on it :rolleyes:

    I am not a member of FG, not like Gurry isn't a member of the Army Council, I'm actually not, or ever was a member of FG


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    #216
    [Deleted User]
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    In the name of Jazus, lads. One decent man killed in the line of duty. One wife left without a Husband and 3 kids left without a much loved Father. NOTHING else matters. A bit of respect please.


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    #217
    efb
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    In the name of Jazus, lads. One decent man killed in the line of duty. One wife left without a Husband and 3 kids left without a much loved Father. NOTHING else matters. A bit of respect please.

    In the name of Jayzus... Respect...


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    #218
    seamus
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    You can hysterically rant on about SF and Gerry Adams all you want, but they aren't anywhere near as culpable for this kind of incident as the parties in government are.
    One Garda having to attend a call-out like that on their own ain't the fault of any opposition party no matter what agenda you have, or what spin you want to put on things.
    More speculation. You have no idea what happened yesterday evening, yet you're diving on the opportunity to blame budget cuts. It's equally as pathetic as people diving on this as an opportunity to take a shot at Sinn Fein.


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    #219
    efb
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    Riiight. Ask any serving member, particularly newer recruits, if she and her party has done enough to make their lives easier or their job safer and see what they say.

    You can hysterically rant on about SF and Gerry Adams all you want, but they aren't anywhere near as culpable for this kind of incident as the parties in government are. One Garda having to attend a call-out like that on their own ain't the fault of any opposition party no matter what agenda you have, or what spin you want to put on things.

    Keep on posting tewwts on their behalf though, like some deranged YFG shrill; while whining about 'shinnerbots' when people call you out on it :rolleyes:

    I know many members of AGS who say FG did less to them than SF members ever did

    Ask Widow McCabe


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    #220
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    Closed for review, will reopen shortly.


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    #221
    [Deleted User]
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    Mod

    My friend and efb, your posts are no longer welcome in this thread. Do not post here again.

    Anyone else using this thread to push their agenda, or to post inflammatory phrases such as "shinners" or "shinnerbots" will be treated with the same hand.

    Have some respect.


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    #222
    markc1184
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    Shocking thing to hear. RIP Garda Golden and condolences to his family, friends and colleagues.


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    #223
    davycc
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    In the name of Jazus, lads. One decent man killed in the line of duty. One wife left without a Husband and 3 kids left without a much loved Father. NOTHING else matters. A bit of respect please.

    Completely agree Maryanne the thread needs more respectful post's like this and less political cheap shots from click baiter's like predictable old efb


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    #224
    Sheep Lover
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    davycc wrote: »
    Completely agree Maryanne the thread needs more respectful post's like this and less political cheap shots from click baiter's like predictable old efb

    Well in reality there isn't a whole lot to discuss bar unfounded rumours and the usual posters trying to wedge their agendas in somehow.

    All you can post is RIP, anything else is just speculation and gossip.


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    #225
    davycc
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Well in reality there isn't a whole lot to discuss bar unfounded rumours and the usual posters trying to wedge their agendas in somehow.

    All you can post is RIP, anything else is just speculation and gossip.

    Exactly


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    #226
    whatismyname
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    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1012/734083-garda-shooting/

    Mr O'Brien said the same unit that responded to Adrian Donohoe's killing responded to the scene last night.

    He said: "It is very difficult to attend the scene of a murder. But (to attend) one where your colleague has been killed in a cold blooded murder because you still have to continue on with your job. You have to preserve the scene, you have to inform the family.

    I can't even imagine quite how heartbreaking this must be.

    Obviously for Garda Golden's wife and family it must be horrific. But also for the Garda community, particularly his colleagues. To have to work at the scene where your colleague has just been murdered, and continue on despite that. And all the more difficult given that it's not all that long since they lost Garda Donohoe. Awful stuff.


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    #227
    Sheep Lover
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    davycc wrote: »
    Exactly

    You'd have to question why there's a thread then.


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    #228
    Little CuChulainn
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    Well in reality there isn't a whole lot to discuss bar unfounded rumours and the usual posters trying to wedge their agendas in somehow.

    All you can post is RIP, anything else is just speculation and gossip.

    There's plenty to discuss. The fact that it's yet another violent crime committed by a man on bail. The effectiveness of domestic violence policy and legislation. The availability of firearms. The issues with policing near to the border. The ability of unarmed Gardaí to deal with violent crime involving weapons. The intention to reduce the number of armed Gardaí to save on the cost of regular firing range practice. The effects of violent deaths on family. Or just to sympathise with the victims.


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    #229
    davycc
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    Sheep Lover wrote: »
    You'd have to question why there's a thread then.

    Most posters have been genuinely respectfully offering their condolences to the poor families involved

    sadly certain posters are of the mindset , never let a good tragedy go to waste .


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    #230
    Spanish Eyes
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    I think Tony Golden's death will not be in vain.

    His death may be the catalyst to beef up the Garda and bestow more investment/pay and conditions.

    That may be his legacy.

    May he rest in peace.


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    #231
    Little CuChulainn
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I think Tony Golden's death will not be in vain.

    His death may be the catalyst to beef up the Garda and bestow more investment/pay and conditions.

    That may be his legacy.

    May he rest in peace.
    One option would be to make a breach of bail an arrestable and chargeable offence. People on bail might take it a bit more seriously then.


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    #232
    Daroxtar
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    You can't lay the blame for this on the government because it was a cross border fück up. He was released on bail by a judicial system that is often more concerned with the rights of perpetrators than the welfare of the public in general. Forget about cutbacks or under staffing. If two Gardai went to that house yesterday then chances are it would have been two of them killed.
    Adrian Crevin Mackin was not just a scumbag but a completely unhinged twisted individual who should not have been allowed out at all.
    Apart from being charged with membership of a dissident republican gang he also had 23 counts of possession of beastiality porn.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-295555362.html
    He was a deranged lowlife and he killed a good man doing his job.
    RIP Garda Golden


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    #233
    Conall Cernach
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    Brody Tinkling Puppetry wrote: »
    Yes, the courts grant bail because prisoners don't want him. Get real.
    Obviously, but what I mean is that these groups wanted nothing to do with him as he was a fantasist. You don't get onto republican landings in Portlaoise unless one of the groups agrees to take you. He was apparently well known to be not right in the head.

    He also has a conviction from a few years ago for Animal porn.
    http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-295555362.html


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    #234
    Ayls
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    I just want to add that I wrongly stated he (Mackin) had 3 children, there were infact only 2. Not that it makes much difference now. A true low life and very disturbed man, I will never understand why any woman would go near the likes of him and continue to stay after being abused, it's mind boggling to me.


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    #235
    Spanish Eyes
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    One option would be to make a breach of bail an arrestable and chargeable offence. People on bail might take it a bit more seriously then.

    Surely that is a given anyway? Bail conditions are conditions.


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    #236
    Little CuChulainn
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Surely that is a given anyway?

    It is not. Breaching bail conditions can lead to bail being revoked however this requires the Garda to return to court and request it. In the mean time the defendant can go on breaching his conditions until a judge decides to revoke his bail.


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    #237
    My name is URL
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    Surely that is a given anyway? Bail conditions are conditions.

    I don't think Gardai can make arrests if they suspect that bail conditions have been broken without the go-ahead from a judge, which isn't exactly effective


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    #238
    Strumms
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    Spanish Eyes wrote: »
    I think Tony Golden's death will not be in vain.

    His death may be the catalyst to beef up the Garda and bestow more investment/pay and conditions.

    That may be his legacy.

    May he rest in peace.

    Id respectfully disagree there... i dont think very much will change. Plus its outrageous that a Garda should have to sacrifice their life and for that to be the catalyst to enable them recieving the resources that they and the people of this country need. Of course any report in the aftermath that could indicate shortcomings in resources etc would be welcomed but that is certainly too little and too late for Garda Golden and his family.


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    #239
    Strumms
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    Little CuChulainn wrote: »
    It is not. Breaching bail conditions can lead to bail being revoked however this requires the Garda to return to court and request it. In the mean time the defendant can go on breaching his conditions until a judge decides to revoke his bail.

    For an instance.. if a Garda comes upon a known individual at 22.25 hours out and about yet he knows and confirms via the station that the individual in question has bail conditions that restrict him to his home 3 miles away afyer 20.00 hours.. he cant be arrested and detained ? Country is such a fuxking joke..


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    #240
    Spanish Eyes
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    My name is URL wrote: »
    I don't think Gardai can make arrests if they suspect that bail conditions have been broken without the go-ahead from a judge, which isn't exactly effective

    Thanks I'm not up to speed on bail laws at all. I didn't realise that if one breached bail conditions a judge would have to be involved in order to revoke bail.

    That surely needs to be addressed. But I reckon something Constitutional will get in the way of that.

    Hopefully the whole bail system will be looked at again now. And if it needs a referendum, so be it. It would pass 100%.


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    #241
    Little CuChulainn
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    Strumms wrote: »
    For an instance.. if a Garda comes upon a known individual at 22.25 hours out and about yet he knows and confirms via the station that the individual in question has bail conditions that restrict him to his home 3 miles away afyer 20.00 hours.. he cant be arrested and detained ? Country is such a fuxking joke..

    That is correct. That's a mild, but common, example though. Imagine a person on bail for sexual offences walking along the road his victim lives on despite conditions to stay away. You'd think arresting him would be a given.


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