Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread V

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Hagz wrote: »

Doctor says its in his directives to ask those questions. It seemed the kid got a cut on his head and because its in his directives the medic asked him HIA questions. The ref hearing these questions assumed there were suspicions of a concussion and ordered the kid off. The medics were adamant that he didn't have a concussion but I think at that point the ref probably felt like he had no choice but to stick to his original decision. Feel bad for the kid. Works all year to play in the SCT and has it cut short because of a misinterpretation.

Yeah. I guess the ref is erring on the side of caution and you can understand why. Problem though is that you could now end up with people not asking HIA questions when they should be just to avoid a player being sent off unnecessarily.

I think either way though the guy arguing with the ref the whole way across the pitch isn't a great example for his kids.

Bazzo

stephen_n wrote: »

Since when? Do you have anything to back that up other than a preconceived bias?

Eh, bit of an overreaction? Fitzgerald, Kearney and Nacewa are all comfortably ahead of him, possibly Kirchner too, putting him at 4th or 5th choice.

former total

wp_rathead wrote: »

Nacewa and Dave Kearney seem be first choice for Leinster
Then Ringrose and Kirchner (assuming Fitzgerald and Te'o are Centre)
So 5th sounds about right

On the wing? Ringrose definitely not, Kirchner maybe, he's been in really good form of late. So he has two or maybe three internationals ahead of him. For shame!

Seriously, we all need to get some perspective here.

NiallBoo

Hagz wrote: »

Doctor says its in his directives to ask those questions. It seemed the kid got a cut on his head and because its in his directives the medic asked him HIA questions. The ref hearing these questions assumed there were suspicions of a concussion and ordered the kid off. The medics were adamant that he didn't have a concussion but I think at that point the ref probably felt like he had no choice but to stick to his original decision. Feel bad for the kid. Works all year to play in the SCT and has it cut short because of a misinterpretation.

On the bright side, it often takes things like this to make an organisation realise they might need to tweak their policies and you shouldn't have a misunderstanding in the future.

The lads are in good spirits: https://www.facebook.com/jamieheaslip/videos/962981960463234/

stephen_n

wp_rathead wrote: »

Nacewa and Dave Kearney seem be first choice for Leinster
Then Ringrose and Kirchner (assuming Fitzgerald and Te'o are Centre)
So 5th sounds about right

Neither Ringrose or Kirchner are ahead of McFadden at Leinster Nacewa maybe but it would be a toss up between DK and McFadden for the other wing.

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

The lads are in good spirits: https://www.facebook.com/jamieheaslip/videos/962981960463234/

The IRFU fly these lads to France in economy Aer Lingus?

Bazzo

awec wrote: »

The IRFU fly these lads to France in economy Aer Lingus?

Economy? That's the emergency exit row. Those seats could be €10-20 extra a pop!

molloyjh

awec wrote: »

The IRFU fly these lads to France in economy Aer Lingus?

You wouldn't get that up in Ulster!

awec

Bazzo wrote: »

Economy? That's the emergency exit row. Those seats could be €10-20 extra a pop!

Even Leinster charter their own flights to away matches!

IRFU are as tight as a gnat's chuff.

I see that France have selected Teddy Thomas on the wing. I thought that he was really impressive when he came onto the scene a couple of years ago. He was dropped for some indiscipline and then was out with injury which he's not long back from. Wouldn't be surprised if he had a stormer against Ireland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4quk3rYBOZo

wp_rathead

former total wrote: »

On the wing? Ringrose definitely not, Kirchner maybe, he's been in really good form of late. So he has two or maybe three internationals ahead of him. For shame!

Seriously, we all need to get some perspective here.

Okay so 4th choice
I get people (including me tbf) may be overreacting but I also think people have a right to be aggrieved to see McFadden in Irish Squad ahead of other players
That said I understand WHY he is: he knows the set up and Joe trusts him- I mean not like he wouldn't be in 23 if Zebo, Earls, Fitzgerald or Bowe were fit so not a Joe conspiracy in that sense :P

stephen_n wrote: »

Neither Ringrose or Kirchner are ahead of McFadden at Leinster Nacewa maybe but it would be a toss up between DK and McFadden for the other wing.

Fair enough

.ak

jm08 wrote: »

France has been uncompetitive in the 6ns since they won their last Grand Slam in 2010. They won the wooden spoon in 2013.

France are not the team they were prior to 2011 - so Ireland really didn't have to improve much to beat them - they are beating themselves.

That's not what you said, but okay.

The Rape of Lucretia

wp_rathead wrote: »

Okay so 4th choice
I get people (including me tbf) may be overreacting but I also think people have a right to be aggrieved to see McFadden in Irish Squad ahead of other players
That said I understand WHY he is

Why would you feel aggrieved if you understand the reason behind it ? Do you not agree with the reasons ?

Legalfarmer89

glasso wrote: »

I see that France have selected Teddy Thomas on the wing. I thought that he was really impressive when he came onto the scene a couple of years ago. He was dropped for some indiscipline and then was out with injury which he's not long back from. Wouldn't be surprised if he had a stormer against Ireland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4quk3rYBOZo

I agree with this, and I think by the looks of it he would have Irelands wingers for pace as well! With him and Vakataki France have an exciting back line but one that could make mistakes though.

The Rape of Lucretia

jm08 wrote: »

The reason why we have not lost to France since 2011 is because they have been terrible, not ireland improving.

So Ireland 2012 and 2013 were as good as Ireland 2014 and 2015 ? Really.
Interested to hear the rationale for this one (unless its a post meant for a different forum).

aimee1

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

So Ireland 2012 and 2013 were as good as Ireland 2014 and 2015 ? Really.
Interested to hear the rationale for this one (unless its a post meant for a different forum).

France were bottom in 2013, they won 5/10 in the 2014 and 2015 campaigns, so they definitely improved, but we also improved and followed two draws [2012 & 2013] with two wins in 2014 and 2015.

Teferi

jm08 wrote: »

France has been uncompetitive in the 6ns since they won their last Grand Slam in 2010. They won the wooden spoon in 2013.

France are not the team they were prior to 2011 - so Ireland really didn't have to improve much to beat them - they are beating themselves.

Come on lad. You seriously don't believe that codswallop, do you?

Ireland. Back to back winning 6 Nations Champions Ireland. That Ireland. That Ireland have not improved? Really? Come on. Give over.

wp_rathead

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Why would you feel aggrieved if you understand the reason behind it ? Do you not agree with the reasons ?

Like said, I understand the reasons - but it is depressing to see him in the squad the way he has played this season he hasn't earned it hence I feel aggrieved

The Rape of Lucretia

slingerz wrote: »

I think McFadden being called up is a bit of a joke. Hardly inspires performances from Gilroy or Healy who have performed much better than McFadden this season. Surely they are worth a call up ahead of him.

The aim of calling up The McFaddinator is to maximise Ireland's chances of winning in Paris. Inspiring performance from Gilroy or Healy would not have been one of Joe's targets in making the choice.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

The lads are in good spirits: https://www.facebook.com/jamieheaslip/videos/962981960463234/

I've watched a couple of Heaslips video's and this is easily his best since 2009. You can see Tommy O'Donnell sitting 3 seats over. Coincidence? I think not.

aimee1

Deleted User wrote: »

I've watched a couple of Heaslips video's and this is easily his best since 2009. You can see Tommy O'Donnell sitting 3 seats over. Coincidence? I think not.

it all went downhill after SOB arrived late [did he forget his passport?]

1eg0a3xv7b82of

I am not sure about that LEINSTER and friends team being sent out against France, they got walloped by Wasps twice, how will they fare against the combined player power of all the French clubs.
Just hope the friends can make the difference.

MOD: banned.

1eg0a3xv7b82of

I am not sure about that LEINSTER and friends team being sent out against France, they got walloped by Wasps twice, how will they fare against the combined player power of all the French clubs.
Just hope the friends can make the difference.

Neil3030

Most of the criticism of Schmidt seems to centre around a few buzzwords:

Inspiration: selections typically being labelled "uninspiring", e.g., McFadden benching ahead of Gilroy, Reddan benching ahead of Marmion, etc.

Embarrassment: certain aspects of a performance being labelled "embarrassing", like shipping 40 points to Argentina, not scoring a try last year against Wales in Cardiff..

Conservatism: selections or indeed tactics not being "progressive", e.g. resorting to an aerial game against France (if we do) or picking players who know the system ahead of players who are showing good provincial form, but are still greenhorns in the international game.

Can anyone think of any more? I am trying to develop a drinking game.

former total

Leandro Round Billboard wrote: »

I am not sure about that LEINSTER and friends team being sent out against France, they got walloped by Wasps twice, how will they fare against the combined player power of all the French clubs.
Just hope the friends can make the difference.

Meh, sure you won't be watching, remember?

aimee1

Neil3030 wrote: »

Most of the criticism of Schmidt seems to centre around a few buzzwords:

Inspiration: selections typically being labelled "uninspiring", e.g., McFadden benching ahead of Gilroy, Reddan benching ahead of Marmion, etc.

Embarrassment: certain aspects of a performance being labelled "embarrassing", like shipping 40 points to Argentina, not scoring a try last year against Wales in Cardiff..

Conservatism: selections or indeed tactics not being "progressive", e.g. resorting to an aerial game against France (if we do) or picking players who know the system ahead of players who are showing good provincial form, but are still greenhorns in the international game.

Can anyone think of any more? I am trying to develop a drinking game.

Provincial Bias??

aimee1

Leandro Round Billboard wrote: »

I am not sure about that LEINSTER and friends team being sent out against France, they got walloped by Wasps twice, how will they fare against the combined player power of all the French clubs.
Just hope the friends can make the difference.

and how have some of the other provinces fared in europe this season? I seem to remember one getting quite badly beaten by a team down to 14 for an entire half for starters.

Neil3030

aimee1 wrote: »

Provincial Bias??

Interesting proposition... would this fall under conservatism though?

Quint2010

Neil3030 wrote: »

Most of the criticism of Schmidt seems to centre around a few buzzwords:

Inspiration: selections typically being labelled "uninspiring", e.g., McFadden benching ahead of Gilroy, Reddan benching ahead of Marmion, etc.

Embarrassment: certain aspects of a performance being labelled "embarrassing", like shipping 40 points to Argentina, not scoring a try last year against Wales in Cardiff..

Conservatism: selections or indeed tactics not being "progressive", e.g. resorting to an aerial game against France (if we do) or picking players who know the system ahead of players who are showing good provincial form, but are still greenhorns in the international game.



Can anyone think of any more? I am trying to develop a drinking game.

Cronyism? One-eyed? Old pals act? Stale?

aimee1

Neil3030 wrote: »

Interesting proposition... would this fall under conservatism though?

not really, he could after all ask players from other provinces to do the exact same thing

Neil3030

aimee1 wrote: »

not really, he could after all ask players from other provinces to do the exact same thing

So are we saying that the 'conservatism' is strictly a tactical measure?

The starting XV is pretty good, could have made an argument for Furlong and Ryan.

Our numbers 6-10 have the potential to be properly outstanding and that's where games are often won and lost.

The Rape of Lucretia

Neil3030 wrote: »

So are we saying that the 'conservatism' is strictly a tactical measure?

The the misuse of the word conservatism by some trying to criticise Joe is really inadvertant praise of how good his selection judgement is.

Consistent selection is one of the hallmarks of Joe's coaching genius : he identifies the best players to do a job for him very quickly - from the off almost. So he doesnt need to chop and change, parachuting a hot shot du moment into the team because of one flashy run, or dropping someone because of a missed tackle, or resorting to reshuffling the deck after a bad result.

He sees the big picture, overall ability and all aspects of each player, long term performance, ability to slot into the system and execute Plan Joe, and that it is the 'whole' that bring rugby success rather than just the simple sum of the parts.

What those people are really saying without fully understanding themselves is : "wow, Joe is so 'conservative', he really knows what his best team is, sticks with them, and works on perfecting how they work as a unit. We are so lucky to have such a 'conservative' coach who keeps winning stuff with this strategy".

stephen_n

wp_rathead wrote: »

Okay so 4th choice
I get people (including me tbf) may be overreacting but I also think people have a right to be aggrieved to see McFadden in Irish Squad ahead of other players
That said I understand WHY he is: he knows the set up and Joe trusts him- I mean not like he wouldn't be in 23 if Zebo, Earls, Fitzgerald or Bowe were fit so not a Joe conspiracy in that sense :P

but what other players? The only other winger at this stage would be Gilroy and he's brilliant in attack but lacks in defense. It's not like McFadden is being put ahead of players who are way better than he is or deserve the jersey more.

Neil3030

Neil3030 wrote: »

Most of the criticism of Schmidt seems to centre around a few buzzwords:

Inspiration: selections typically being labelled "uninspiring", e.g., McFadden benching ahead of Gilroy, Reddan benching ahead of Marmion, etc.

Embarrassment: certain aspects of a performance being labelled "embarrassing", like shipping 40 points to Argentina, not scoring a try last year against Wales in Cardiff..

Conservatism: selections or indeed tactics not being "progressive", e.g. resorting to an aerial game against France (if we do) or picking players who know the system ahead of players who are showing good provincial form, but are still greenhorns in the international game.

Can anyone think of any more? I am trying to develop a drinking game.

"Confidence ruining" ??

MattD

stephen_n wrote: »

but what other players? The only other winger at this stage would be Gilroy and he's brilliant in attack but lacks in defense. It's not like McFadden is being put ahead of players who are way better than he is or deserve the jersey more.

Some would be arguing Healy or O'Halloran deserved a call up more. McCloskey or Marshall are also better options to come off the bench in my mind in the first place. And that's as a Leinster fan.

Boards Bingo anyone?

here's some ideas...

drink if...

The Lost Sheep posts something in defence of the UBL
jm08 says something outrageous and then spends 23 posts explaining how Leinster did it worse
.ak likes your post
Vaughn Happy Ramp and irishbucsfan have a 'who's the bigger know-all' competition, neither of them likely to give up
Mahatma Geansai goes out of his way to post a disparaging remark about 'Joe'
awec complains about the referee, or the weather, or anything really in general
former total gets a new username
jacothelad mentions a player you've never even heard of
Billysays no has a good oul fashioned (post midnight) rant

awec

I resent the fact you think I complain about the weather or anything else!

awec

awec wrote: »

I resent the fact you think I complain about the weather or anything else!

does this count as a drink?

awec

Deleted User wrote: »

does this count as a drink?

I'm a very happy go lucky guy emmet.

You'll all end up sober if you drink to me complaining!

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

There's no drinking in Bingo! Unless it's a nice cup of tea.

CMOTDibbler

MattD wrote: »

Some would be arguing Healy or O'Halloran deserved a call up more. McCloskey or Marshall are also better options to come off the bench in my mind in the first place. And that's as a Leinster fan.

Defensively, Healy and O'Halloran need to improve before they could get near an international start. McCloskey and Marshall are not wingers.

Tox56

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Boards Bingo anyone?

here's some ideas...

drink if...

The Lost Sheep posts something in defence of the UBL
jm08 says something outrageous and then spends 23 posts explaining how Leinster did it worse
.ak likes your post
Vaughn Happy Ramp and irishbucsfan have a 'who's the bigger know-all' competition, neither of them likely to give up
Mahatma Geansai goes out of his way to post a disparaging remark about 'Joe'
awec complains about the referee, or the weather, or anything really in general
former total gets a new username
jacothelad mentions a player you've never even heard of
Billysays no has a good oul fashioned (post midnight) rant

Connachta makes the case that half the Connacht team should be in the Irish starting 15
Swiwi mentions New Zealand
Ouncer complains that it's the worst game he ever saw in his life
Lucky lloyd appears if we lose
Bilston asks us to spare a thought for Paddy Jackson
A two day old account says that Ireland are an embarrassment and only succesful because hardly anyone even plays rugby anyway

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Defensively, Healy and O'Halloran need to improve before they could get near an international start. McCloskey and Marshall are not wingers.

Healy and O'Halloran both on the score sheet tonight. Not doing their Irish chances any good.

Neil3030

Tox56 wrote: »

Connachta makes the case that half the Connacht team should be in the Irish starting 15
Swiwi mentions New Zealand
Ouncer complains that it's the worst game he ever saw in his life
Lucky lloyd appears if we lose
Bilston asks us to spare a thought for Paddy Jackson
A two day old account says that Ireland are an embarrassment and only succesful because hardly anyone even plays rugby anyway

Down your drink as soon as a mod steps in to break things up.

CMOTDibbler

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Healy and O'Halloran both on the score sheet tonight. Not doing their Irish chances any good.

You know that's not what I said

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

You know that's not what I said

I know but it's a well known fact that Schmidt doesn't like try scoring wingers. It's why Gilroy never gets a look in.

CMOTDibbler

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

I know but it's a well known fact that Schmidt doesn't like try scoring wingers. It's why Gilroy never gets a look in.

Oh! A fact. As in Fact. End Of?

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

Oh! A fact. As in Fact. End Of?

Now we're on the same page.