Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread V

phog

Teferi wrote: »

So you don't rate Earls pace then? Interesting!

I do and I rate his finishing but there was no certainty that had Earls held that ball that it was a try.


Currently, the knockon king for Ireland is Cian Healy, he has had five so far in the tournament, followed by Earls and a few more on two and a host of players with one.

irishbucsfan

The knock on people will remember is Earls'. Probably even long after the end of the tournament.

Still the clear cut choice at 13 going into this weekend if he's fit.

rrpc

phog wrote: »

I do and I rate his finishing but there was no certainty that had Earls held that ball that it was a try.


Currently, the knockon king for Ireland is Cian Healy, he has had five so far in the tournament, followed by Earls and a few more on two and a host of players with one.

You must have spent ages researching that. :pac:

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

Harley Uptight Light wrote: »

Unless Earls wasn't able to give a simple pass...

Like against Romania where he threw it about a foot above Strauss' head. Luckily Strauss had better hands than Earls and managed to catch it, one handed no less. Strauss to 13?

phog

rrpc wrote: »

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You must have spent ages researching that :pac:

I didn't, it's readily available but even if I did what matter? It's my time.

Slightly off topic but has anyone read this - heard it's meant to be quite good:

phog

Deleted User wrote: »

Slightly off topic but has anyone read this - heard it's meant to be quite good:

Childish post really.

Just watching some Father Ted, I really love this scene. So funny.

Teferi

phog wrote: »

I do and I rate his finishing but there was no certainty that had Earls held that ball that it was a try.


Currently, the knockon king for Ireland is Cian Healy, he has had five so far in the tournament, followed by Earls and a few more on two and a host of players with one.

You're a gas man altogether!

phog

Teferi wrote: »

You're a gas man altogether!

case885

You'd make a good fr Noel Furlong venjur.

Zzippy

Lads I'm tired and going to bed. If I check this thread in the morning and there's still a load of childish digs people are going to get cards. Have a look at your posts and cop the f*** on...

Zzippy

Zzippy wrote: »

Lads I'm tired and going to bed. If I check this thread in the morning and there's still a load of childish digs people are going to get cards. Have a look at your posts and cop the f*** on...

Night Night Zzippy




last one, promise.

phog

Checking Defenders Beaten Stat, POM is the highest Irish player with 10, followed by Earls & Zebo on 9, DK & Bowe on 7. Damian De Allende was top with 18

MJohnston

I'd like to see a 'defenders humiliated' stat, as I reckon Henderson would be right up there.

rrpc

If you're into stats, this table from the pool stages is gratifying:

Nation|Tackles attempted|Tackles missed|Tackle success
Ireland (Q)|458|42|91%
South Africa (Q)|464|48|90%
Scotland (Q)|585|69|88%
New Zealand (Q)|352|42|88%
France (Q)|496|67|86%
Australia (Q)|483|67|86%
Italy|569|81|86%
Wales (Q)|436|65|85%
England|392|59|85%
Georgia|512|79|85%
Canada|482|78|84%
Japan|491|92|81%
Samoa|527|103|80%
USA|498|99|80%
Romania|445|94|79%
Fiji|427|94|78%
Argentina (Q)|436|105|76%
Tonga|304|83|73%
Uruguay|474|131|72%
Namibia|514|168|67%


Interesting to note that seven of the qualifiers are in the top eight with Wales slightly behind Italy in 9th. You clearly need to make your tackles to qualify.

For all the talk of us not being very good attacking wise, our gain line success is also up near the top:

Nation|Carries|Metres|% gain line
Japan|521|1437|48.2%
South Africa (Q)|536|2115|47.8%
Ireland (Q)|593|2116|47.4%
Australia (Q)|378|1676|43.1%
New Zealand (Q)|530|2345|43.0%
Argentina (Q)|534|2687|42.5%
Samoa|427|1633|41.7%
Wales (Q)|459|1737|41.4%
Tonga|554|1769|41.3%
Canada|484|1925|41.1%
France (Q)|425|1701|40.9%
Romania|388|1030|40.5%
USA|429|1373|40.3%
Uruguay|360|926|38.6%
Italy|378|1350|37.8%
England|528|2108|36.7%
Scotland (Q)|408|1278|35.5%
Namibia|258|938|35.3%
Georgia|356|1174|34.8%
Fiji|429|1731|32.4%

rrpc

The sneaky baxtards :mad:

A report in today's Midi Olimpique suggests that the RFU will attempt to pry Joe Schmidt away from Ireland after the Rugby World Cup.

French and English ganging up on us. Where have we seen this before?


"They suggest that a move across the Irish Sea would represent a step up for the Kiwi."

That's low

Noopti

No chance.

jm08

Sean O'Brien was 2nd with gainline carries (29). Michael Leitch was first with 36.

Surprisingly, Keith Earls was the 2nd best Irish player with 20 gainlne carries - same as Sonny Bill!

Henderson & Robbie Henshaw were next with 18 each.

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/stats/2015/players/carriesogl

Moflojo

jm08 wrote: »

Sean O'Brien was 2nd with gainline carries (29). Michael Leitch was first with 36.

Surprisingly, Keith Earls was the 2nd best Irish player with 20 gainlne carries - same as Sonny Bill!

Henderson & Robbie Henshaw were next with 18 each.

http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/stats/2015/players/carriesogl

Considering Henshaw's only played 2 games that's mightily impressive. Not surprised by Earls' stats at all; he's been a serious workhorse for the past couple of months, going all the way back to the first warm-up versus Wales.

This is actually incredible. I cannot believe people are honestly trying to argue that Earls didn't butcher a score. Give it up for gods sake.

He'd a fine game overall but he cost Ireland 7 points.

Redgirl82

rrpc wrote: »

The sneaky baxtards :mad:

A report in today's Midi Olimpique suggests that the RFU will attempt to pry Joe Schmidt away from Ireland after the Rugby World Cup.

French and English ganging up on us. Where have we seen this before?


"They suggest that a move across the Irish Sea would represent a step up for the Kiwi."

That's low

To be fair it could be seen as a step up. England have a lot more players and money behind them.....

But in terms of rugby skills it is not. I listen to the Brian Moore Full Contact Podcast and that is always a good view of what is been discussed in regards to English Rugby.

It has been picked out a number of times over the last few weeks in terms of the English team and the Premiership that England are miles behind everyone else in terms of skills and how they play the game. This was even before England was knocked out.....

Small things like the scrums is no longer seen as a chance to attack but more as a chance to win a penalty and the hookers in England don't actually know how to hook anymore. Even picking out the ability of Japan to use the scrum as an attacking option and England don't even have that ability.

They think it is essential that they need coach/agent/figurehead who has Super 15/Rugby Championship experience because everyone else is pulling away from England, they are not calling to replace Lanchaster....they mention "apart from Ireland because they have Southern Hemp manager anyway"


Lots of talk in England that Eddie Jones is high up on the wanted list.....

molloyjh

rrpc wrote: »

The sneaky baxtards :mad:

A report in today's Midi Olimpique suggests that the RFU will attempt to pry Joe Schmidt away from Ireland after the Rugby World Cup.

French and English ganging up on us. Where have we seen this before?


"They suggest that a move across the Irish Sea would represent a step up for the Kiwi."

That's low

He's signed on here until 2017. He won't be going anywhere until then.

J_KALL_

This Wednesday I landed myself a ticket to see the boys in green over in Cardiff. Great news yes, until you have to book everything last minute. In fairness I’ve sorted myself pretty well I got a flight out on the Saturday, a place to stay on the Sunday and a lift home on the Monday to add to the ever important ticket!

The problem I face is some place to stay on the Saturday, I know theres thousands heading over in similar situations but just wondering if anyone who maybe on there way today or tomorrow with an extra bit of room on the floor be in camper van or wherever there staying. I’ll pay for floor space or even make a donation to a chosen charity it thats more favourable.

Chancer I know but sure look if you don’t ask you don’t get

rrpc

molloyjh wrote: »

He's signed on here until 2017. He won't be going anywhere until then.

There are plenty of examples of contracts concluded early. How long did Declan Kidney have left on his contract when he left/was fired?

I doubt Joe would want the job anyway, it's a bit of a poisoned chalice and it's probably not in his mind for his next step.

But anything can happen...

I would be pretty pissed off if Joe went to England. Not as pissed off as I would be if he went to Wales.

Realistically I'd say Schmidt will be Ireland coach, Lions coach, All Blacks coach and then retire.

molloyjh

Also I can't see how it would be a step up anyway. Look how they've compared to Ireland over the last 5 years and 10 years:

Competition|England|Ireland
Amlin/Challenge Cups|2|1
HEC/Champions Cups|0|2
6 Nations Championship|1|2

Competition|England|Ireland
Amlin/Challenge Cups|6|1
HEC/Champions Cups|1|5
6 Nations Championship|1|3

Given the number of teams and players they have those are pretty damn awful stats. They haven't made it as far as Ireland in this RWC, they went out at the last stage in the last RWC. You've to go back to 2007 when they made the final to see a time when they did better than we did in the RWC.

None of that would make for a compelling case that England is a step up.

Ah but they do have ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ and a massive player pool.

Joe wouldn't do that to us though. He's not all about the money, money, money.

.ak

Yeah if Joe leaves us after 2017 it'll be for a job back in NZ.

vienne86

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah but they do have ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ and a massive player pool.

Joe wouldn't do that to us though. He's not all about the money, money, money.

I am not sure that the England job would be much of a step up for Joe - Lions, yes, and NZ, of course, but England would be a bit of a poisoned chalice right now IMO.

I must say that I do feel a bit sorry for Lancaster.....he did a good job post Martin Johnston etc.

molloyjh

Deleted User wrote: »

Ah but they do have ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££ and a massive player pool.

Joe wouldn't do that to us though. He's not all about the money, money, money.

He don't need your money, money, money.


Damn you Emmet! :mad:

justsomebloke

Ye I think Joe would be daft to go for the England job. With his family circumstances I doubt he would really want to go for a job were every part of his personal life could be left open to attack.

I'd say he is just going to sit here until the NZ job comes up and pop off then. No point killing his career before then

molloyjh

vienne86 wrote: »

I am not sure that the England job would be much of a step up for Joe - Lions, yes, and NZ, of course, but England would be a bit of a poisoned chalice right now IMO.

I must say that I do feel a bit sorry for Lancaster.....he did a good job post Martin Johnston etc.

He plateaued in the 2014 6 Nations IMO. I fancied them to push on and be in a good place come the RWC, but they just didn't push on at all.

Jawgap

.ak wrote: »

Yeah if Joe leaves us after 2017 it'll be for a job back in NZ.

Indeed.

If the ABs choke, he'll be snapped up by them.

If he takes the England job he should hand back the passport:D

I don't think he will because it's not all about money and he'd have to wonder if going into the mess that is RFU politics is a good move.

Neil3030

Story originating in France.... I wonder why that might be.....

I may have to break a habit of a lifetime and support New Zealand this weekend.

endabob1

Redgirl82 wrote: »

Lots of talk in England that Eddie Jones is high up on the wanted list.....

He was unveiled as the Western Province / Stormers Head Coach a couple of weeks back, just after Japan beat the Springboks ironically


http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/WorldCup/Eddie-Jones-named-new-Stormers-coach-20150921

irishbucsfan

endabob1 wrote: »

He was unveiled as the Western Province / Stormers Head Coach a couple of weeks back, just after Japan beat the Springboks ironically


http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/WorldCup/Eddie-Jones-named-new-Stormers-coach-20150921

Yes, but has been linked with a few international jobs since. Maybe there's nothing in it, maybe he has a break clause in his contract for certain international sides, or a buyout clause that a big union would be willing to pay.

Pudsy33

Neil3030 wrote: »

Story originating in France.... I wonder why that might be.....

I may have to break a habit of a lifetime and support New Zealand this weekend.

As much as French would annoy you over this and the Pape thing, there is no way in hell I could cheer on New Zealand against them.

Redgirl82

endabob1 wrote: »

He was unveiled as the Western Province / Stormers Head Coach a couple of weeks back, just after Japan beat the Springboks ironically


http://www.sport24.co.za/Rugby/WorldCup/Eddie-Jones-named-new-Stormers-coach-20150921

There was something mentioned that he hasn't fully signed or has a contract clause that allows him to break it if someone big comes in

Again it was on podcast so I can't remember exactly

jacothelad

bilston wrote: »

I'm a biased Ulster fan who rates Jackson very highly but there is no debate here. Madigan starts all day long.

Based on the one game I'd agree. he did a lot of good stuff as well as a lot that was average at best.

case885 wrote: »

Having watched New Zealand's group games and their unusually high rate of knock ons I think Keith has studied this and realized it lulled the opposition into a false sense of security so decided to employ this tactic against France.
We can now see this bold move paid off.
Fair play to Keith for his heroic action.

FFS it wasn't a knock on. It was an attempted off load to himself.

case885

jacothelad wrote:

FFS it wasn't a knock on. It was an attempted off load to himself.

Sushh, offloads are not allowed.

Pudsy33

Pudsy33 wrote: »

As much as French would annoy you over this and the Pape thing, there is no way in hell I could cheer on New Zealand against them.

I dunno. I want France to win for the drama and because for it to happen will mean an absolutely sensational game on Saturday evening. But as a rugby nation they are resting somewhere between England and Wales in my estimation right now.

We need a couple more Neil Francis articles to level the score a bit.

wp_rathead

I'd always support a 6 Nations side against a SANZAR

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

wp_rathead wrote: »

I'd always support a 6 Nations side against a SANZAR

Usually I would agree but France have really annoyed me this past week or so. I'm swaying towards New Zealand.

part time punk

Deleted User wrote: »

Realistically I'd say Schmidt will be Ireland coach, Lions coach, All Blacks coach and then retire.

The thought of Joe as NZ coach terrifies me a bit :eek: How good would they be?

But back on topic (ish) of the other NH teams I'd be suporting Wales against SA more than France against NZ.

total former

case885 wrote: »

Sushh, offloads are not allowed.

Earls knew that Bowe would cop a load of flak from Joe for making a line break, so he was trying to divert attention away from Bowe and onto himself by deliberately messing up with the line at his mercy.

It's that sort of selflessness that kept him in the team this week.

part time punk

part time punk wrote: »

The thought of Joe as NZ coach terrifies me a bit :eek: How good would they be?

I know can you imagine, we might have trouble beating them again if Joe was coach.

endabob1

Redgirl82 wrote: »

There was something mentioned that he hasn't fully signed or has a contract clause that allows him to break it if someone big comes in

Again it was on podcast so I can't remember exactly

irishbucsfan wrote: »

Yes, but has been linked with a few international jobs since. Maybe there's nothing in it, maybe he has a break clause in his contract for certain international sides, or a buyout clause that a big union would be willing to pay.

As a province fan I certainly hope there's no break clause

Yeah_Right

TICKLE_ME_ELMO wrote: »

Usually I would agree but France have really annoyed me this past week or so. I'm swaying towards New Zealand.

Join the dark side. Come over to us. Let the blackness consume you. Recognise McCaw as the one true God.


Don't forget to practice the Haka though.

PTH2009

If Joe leaves us after the 2017 six nations and takes up the lions job for the tour and then takes over the all blacks in Aug 2017 that would mean he would play Ireland in Nov 2017.

Joe might even skip the lions and take over the all blacks before the lions tour.

Who's to say the all blacks job will be available in 2017 the worse thing could happen is the current coach could leave after the world cup this year and Joe mite go this year

It will be interesting to see who takes over Ireland post Joe