Ireland Team Talk/Gossip/Rumour Thread V

Zzippy

awec wrote: »

When Payne plays 13 for Ulster we are weakened in two positions, 15 and 13. That is just a fact.

.ak wrote: »

No, that's an opinion.

awec wrote: »

Does anyone, anyone on here hold the opinion that Payne has been better for Ulster at 13 than he has been at 15?

Identify yourselves. Present yourselves before me so I can question your sanity.

.ak wrote: »

... In that regards I'm happy to say he's a better 13.

MOD FIGHT!!! MOD FIGHT!!!

jm08

Synode wrote: »

Its more telling to hear ROG talking about Dan Carter and how he always has a smile on his face and is in good humour:)

CatFromHue

jm08 wrote: »

Its more telling to hear ROG talking about Dan Carter and how he always has a smile on his face and is in good humour:)

Smiling and being in good humour doesn't mean you're any good.

Sure the only time I saw Martin Johnson smile was in the pic below :pac:

irishbucsfan

jm08 wrote: »

Its more telling to hear ROG talking about Dan Carter and how he always has a smile on his face and is in good humour:)

O'Gara is a massive fan of Sexton.

On a related note, isn't ROG out of contract this season? I wonder if they can convince him to come home.

Yeah_Right

mfceiling wrote: »

Nonu and Conrad!!

Join the queue there Jared...

Believe me, I don't think he would have been a regular starter but SBW left after 2012, Kahui, Mils and Toeava all left after the RWC as well. Payne would have been competing with the likes of Crotty. Hell even Saili got a couple of caps.

I like the idea of Payne and McC in the midfield and Henshaw at fullback.

CatFromHue

I thought he'd been "reached out to" recently, as in the last few weeks, about coming home but wanted to stay on in Paris.

jm08

CatFromHue wrote: »

Smiling and being in good humour doesn't mean you're any good.

Sure the only time I saw Martin Johnson smile was in the pic below :pac:

Interview with ROG last weekend about Carter.

http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/rugby-union/10121621/ogara-carter-the-best

jm08

irishbucsfan wrote: »

O'Gara is a massive fan of Sexton.

On a related note, isn't ROG out of contract this season? I wonder if they can convince him to come home.

He is a very good friend, but after the comments made about Sexton by Labit, you get the impression that he might be happy not to have to deal with a moody outhalf!

Seemingly, ROG turned down defense coaching job with Ireland. Hardly surprising, it must be just great working in France at the moment with all the really great players there. Having coaching Dan Carter on your coaching cv will look good!

MLC61

Given the trouble that Munster are in and that Leinster are on the brink of, from appointing unqualified and inexperienced coaches, why would the national team appoint someone with one years experience as a kicking coach as a defence coach?

awec

ROG as defence coach?

Is this a joke?

Mahatma Geansai

awec wrote: »

ROG as defence coach?

Is this a joke?

ROG is a defense coach, so I don't think it's that an unbelievable situation.

awec

Mahatma Geansai wrote: »

ROG is a defense coach, so I don't think it's that an unbelievable situation.

Really?

Did not know that. I stand corrected.

Podge_irl

Is he actually the full blown defense coach? I know he's involved in that side of things but was unsure whether as an assistant or not.

Either way, his own inability to tackle isn't actually all that relevant to being a defense coach even if it does sound hilarious on the surface.

case885

Podge_irl wrote:

Either way, his own inability to tackle isn't actually all that relevant to being a defense coach even if it does sound hilarious on the surface.

Inability to tackle is over doing it a bit :P

Journeyman_1

I thought he was more of a general backs coach. SO both attacking and defending?

Yeah_Right

awec wrote: »

ROG as defence coach?

Is this a joke?

He did spend a lot of his career watching other guys tackle so he is probably a bit of an expert. Also he'd have some unique insights into how to cover the 10 channel.

jacothelad

Pink Fairy wrote: »

He made a mistake and he knew it. He had signed to return to Leinster inside 12 months of leaving, won nothing at club level while there and neither fans nor players were sorry to see the back of him.... And yet, he got a pay rise to come back!! #kerching

Two years in Paris @ 500,00 yoyos a year plus international income. What a feckin huge mistake. Paris is a fabulous city when you have enough dosh to enjoy it. So playing a few hours of rugby now and again and earning mega bucks then taking trips to the Louvre, Versaille,The Musée d'Orsay. As far as I know Paris offers the largest concentration of tourist attractions in France, and possibly in Europe. Besides some of the world's most famous museums, its has a vibrant historic city centre, a beautiful riverscape, an extensive range of historic monuments, including cathedrals, chapels and palaces, plus one of the most famous nightlife scenes in the world.
Then there are its cafés and restaurants, its theatres and cinemas, and its just all round sense of style. Yeah! That was a waste of 2 years.

CatFromHue wrote: »

That reminds me of one of RTE's promos for the 6N where they showed a few action clips. One was of RK booting a ball away under pressure but when you actually watched how he kicked the ball he sliced it terribly.

I suppose the ladies where happy to see RK though.

:pac:

RK does not slice balls, he deliberately puts side on them to cut between opposing players.

awec wrote: »

ROG as defence coach?

Is this a joke?

Being a coach isn't about 'do as I did,' it's about do as I say. Who better to understand defence than a guy who was a courageous but weak defender.

former total

Podge_irl wrote: »

Is he actually the full blown defense coach? I know he's involved in that side of things but was unsure whether as an assistant or not.

Either way, his own inability to tackle isn't actually all that relevant to being a defense coach even if it does sound hilarious on the surface.

I think he's just a general coach, certainly his job title is not "defence coach".

But yeah, I don't think being an atrocious tackler prevents him from being a good defence coach. In fairness to ROG, he was often in the right place to make the tackle, just completely unable to execute it.

But no way in hell was he being lined up for Ireland.

TICKLE_ME_ELMO

jacothelad wrote: »

Two years in Paris @ 500,00 yoyos a year plus international income. What a feckin huge mistake. Paris is a fabulous city when you have enough dosh to enjoy it. So playing a few hours of rugby now and again and earning mega bucks then taking trips to the Louvre, Versaille,The Musée d'Orsay. As far as I know Paris offers the largest concentration of tourist attractions in France, and possibly in Europe. Besides some of the world's most famous museums, its has a vibrant historic city centre, a beautiful riverscape, an extensive range of historic monuments, including cathedrals, chapels and palaces, plus one of the most famous nightlife scenes in the world.
Then there are its cafés and restaurants, its theatres and cinemas, and its just all round sense of style. Yeah! That was a waste of 2 years.

Very noisy though.

Riskymove

Podge_irl wrote: »

Is he actually the full blown defense coach? I know he's involved in that side of things but was unsure whether as an assistant or not.

Either way, his own inability to tackle isn't actually all that relevant to being a defense coach even if it does sound hilarious on the surface.

Yes he is overseeing defence at Racing

http://www.the42.ie/ronan-ogara-racing-metro-analysis-1905231-Jan2015/

Some of the best coaches in many sports were not even top class players. this has no bearing on your ability to understand tactics and systems etc

its_phil

Can't remember if it was Second Captains or OTB but they were saying Mike Ford was hidden away from making tackles in rugby league, but was an excellent defence coach for Ireland.

jm08

Racing has one of the best defences in Top 14 and last season I think they conceded least tries in it.

On a similar topic, there was some discussion about the amount of punishment that Sexton gets. Johne Murphy was of the opinion that Sexton doesn't get enough protection. He said that The reason ROG didn't get similar level of attention was because anyone who tried it knew that Denis Leamy or David Wallace would hunt them down and return the same treatment twofold.

I wonder why Sexton isn't given the same sort of protection?

Bazzo

jm08 wrote: »

Racing has one of the best defences in Top 14 and last season I think they conceded least tries in it.

On a similar topic, there was some discussion about the amount of punishment that Sexton gets. Johne Murphy was of the opinion that Sexton doesn't get enough protection. He said that The reason ROG didn't get. Similar level of attention was because anyone who tried it knew that Denis Leamy or David Wallace would hunt them down and return the same treatment twofold.

I wonder why Sexton isn't given the same sort of protection?

I'm always skeptical about these sorts of things. I just find it hard to believe that a forward isn't going to put in a big (legal)hit on an out half for fear of reprisal. Can't picture any good rugby player purposely pulling their punches going in to a tackle.

Podge_irl

jm08 wrote: »

I wonder why Sexton isn't given the same sort of protection?

Because it hamstrings the defence and creates gaps elsewhere.

jm08

Bazzo wrote: »

I'm always skeptical about these sorts of things. I just find it hard to believe that a forward isn't going to put in a big (legal)hit on an out half for fear of reprisal. Can't picture any good rugby player purposely pulling their punches going in to a tackle.

I think for ROG, Wally was there to protect him. People used to criticise this happening, but when you think about it, it was the right thing to do to protect your General.

jm08

Podge_irl wrote: »

Because it hamstrings the defence and creates gaps elsewhere.

Not really if your system is set up for it. And you get a healthy out half.

Tox56

jm08 wrote: »

Racing has one of the best defences in Top 14 and last season I think they conceded least tries in it.

On a similar topic, there was some discussion about the amount of punishment that Sexton gets. Johne Murphy was of the opinion that Sexton doesn't get enough protection. He said that The reason ROG didn't get similar level of attention was because anyone who tried it knew that Denis Leamy or David Wallace would hunt them down and return the same treatment twofold.

I wonder why Sexton isn't given the same sort of protection?

Sexton isnt given the same level of protection because he doesnt need it, its ludicrous, and borderline insulting, that you think some of the toughest men in the world were afraid to give ROG "treatment" because they were scared of reprisal

Synode

Payne is back for Ulster

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/fixtures/14481.php#.VpjxXvmLTGg

its_phil

Tox56 wrote: »

Sexton isnt given the same level of protection because he doesnt need it, its ludicrous, and borderline insulting, that you think some of the toughest men in the world were afraid to give ROG "treatment" because they were scared of reprisal

It was Johne Murphy who said it on Newstalk, not jm08.

Podge_irl

jm08 wrote: »

Not really if your system is set up for it. And you get a healthy out half.

Unless your system is having 16 players on the pitch, having to cover for a weak link in your defensive line is going to cause problems elsewhere.

awec

Synode wrote: »

Payne is back for Ulster

http://www.ulsterrugby.com/fixtures/14481.php#.VpjxXvmLTGg

At 15.

Yeah_Right

ROG was protected in that his loosies covered for him as was a hopeless tackler. If they didn't cover him then teams were going to punch holes through him all day. He was a liability in the defensive line that had to be covered.

Sexton can tackle. And goes looking for it as well. Sometimes to the detriment of his own health. It would be great if he was protected but it would probably piss him off.

Yeah_Right

awec wrote: »

At 15.

Are you doing a little dance or just quietly sipping champagne

awec

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Are you doing a little dance or just quietly sipping champagne

Both.

It has been a long time coming, but I am hopeful we are over this Payne at 13 nonsense now. I do worry that this is just injury forced.

Yeah_Right

awec wrote: »

Both.

It has been a long time coming, but I am hopeful we are over this Payne at 13 nonsense now. I do worry that this is just injury forced.

Sorry to piss in your coffee but he'll be back at 13 in a few weeks. In green though.

Mahatma Geansai

awec wrote: »

Both.

It has been a long time coming, but I am hopeful we are over this Payne at 13 nonsense now. I do worry that this is just injury forced.

Payne will either be back at 13 next year, or he will be leaving Ulster. Piutau will have the 15 jersey locked down from next year.

awec

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Sorry to piss in your coffee but he'll be back at 13 in a few weeks. In green though.

That's alright, I can live with that, so long as he's back in 15 in white.

Ireland have better 13s than him available too but it annoys me less when he plays there for Ireland than it does when he plays there for Ulster.

jm08

Tox56 wrote: »

Sexton isnt given the same level of protection because he doesnt need it, its ludicrous, and borderline insulting, that you think some of the toughest men in the world were afraid to give ROG "treatment" because they were scared of reprisal

Well, it was obvious to expro player Johne Murphy that he needs it (and he made the comment about players not wanting to be 'hunted down' by Leamy.

If Sexton is getting a lot of big hits, his decision making is going to fall apart, not to mention the amount of time he is out because of all the concussions.

jm08

Yeah_Right wrote: »

ROG was protected in that his loosies covered for him as was a hopeless tackler. If they didn't cover him then teams were going to punch holes through him all day. He was a liability in the defensive line that had to be covered.

Sexton can tackle. And goes looking for it as well. Sometimes to the detriment of his own health. It would be great if he was protected but it would probably piss him off.

Well, he should think of the team if that is the case. Whats the point of having your General at the bottom of a ruck?

I agree with jm08, players used to avoid putting the hurt on O'Gara because some of those fearsome Munster lads would mangle them otherwise. I mean, best of luck finding a youtube clip of some players flattening O'Gara:

I'd say there isn't a back row in Europe worth his salt that doesn't have a clip of him flattening O'Gara.

In fact I'd say, based on a small amount of research, that there is more video's of Ronan O'Gara getting cleaned out than there is of any other player. Amazing considering how terrified everyone was of the Munster lads.

jm08

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with jm08, players used to avoid putting the hurt on O'Gara because some of those fearsome Munster lads would mangle them otherwise. I mean, best of luck finding a youtube clip of some players flattening O'Gara:

I'd say there isn't a back row in Europe worth his salt that doesn't have a clip of him flattening O'Gara.

In fact I'd say, based on a small amount of research, that there is more video's of Ronan O'Gara getting cleaned out than there is of any other player. Amazing considering how terrified everyone was of the Munster lads.

You might have a point when you find a clip of them doing it a 2nd time:)

Clegg

Tbf RoG was an awful tackler. Will never doubt his commitment like I would iHumph, but he just couldn't do it.

jm08

jm08 wrote: »

You might have a point when you find a clip of them doing it a 2nd time:)

11 seconds on google - here is Contemponi doing it 4 times and then patting him on the head :

Clegg

Felipe was such a hero.

jacothelad

Deleted User wrote: »

I agree with jm08, players used to avoid putting the hurt on O'Gara because some of those fearsome Munster lads would mangle them otherwise. I mean, best of luck finding a youtube clip of some players flattening O'Gara:

I'd say there isn't a back row in Europe worth his salt that doesn't have a clip of him flattening O'Gara.

In fact I'd say, based on a small amount of research, that there is more video's of Ronan O'Gara getting cleaned out than there is of any other player. Amazing considering how terrified everyone was of the Munster lads.

It's a well known fact that Leamy wore his knee joint out chasing after people who'd blattered ROG into oblivion. If it hadn't been for all those extra miles he ran seeking justice for Revolving ROG he could still be playing today.

jm08

Clegg wrote: »

Felipe was such a hero.

He was also a clown for getting so wound up and could Munster (Leamy in particular) wind him up

swiwi_

Riskymove wrote: »

Yes he is overseeing defence at Racing

http://www.the42.ie/ronan-ogara-racing-metro-analysis-1905231-Jan2015/

Some of the best coaches in many sports were not even top class players. this has no bearing on your ability to understand tactics and systems etc

Steve Hansen was rubbish at inside centre for Canterbury. Complete journeyman.

Don't think it matters a jot if ROG was vulnerable on defence himself, no bearing on whether he can coach.

Yeah_Right

swiwi_ wrote: »

Steve Hansen was rubbish at inside centre for Canterbury. Complete journeyman.

Don't think it matters a jot if ROG was vulnerable on defence himself, no bearing on whether he can coach.

Very true. My memories of Joe Schmidt as a player was a journeyman midfielder for Manawatu and BOP. He was never in any conversation for higher honours from what I remember. I don't think Ted Henry was ever much of a player.

I guess it just sounds funny to think of ROG as a defensive coach.

MLC61

jm08 wrote: »

Racing has one of the best defences in Top 14 and last season I think they conceded least tries in it.

On a similar topic, there was some discussion about the amount of punishment that Sexton gets. Johne Murphy was of the opinion that Sexton doesn't get enough protection. He said that The reason ROG didn't get similar level of attention was because anyone who tried it knew that Denis Leamy or David Wallace would hunt them down and return the same treatment twofold.

I wonder why Sexton isn't given the same sort of protection?

Can you honestly say that you have ever seen anything like this happening in any match that you have ever watched, even down at club level.
Ex players trot out a lot of stereotypes to satisfy lasy journalists and to avoid having to answer idiotic questions.

swiwi_

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Very true. My memories of Joe Schmidt as a player was a journeyman midfielder for Manawatu and BOP. He was never in any conversation for higher honours from what I remember. I don't think Ted Henry was ever much of a player.

I guess it just sounds funny to think of ROG as a defensive coach.

Looks like he played 11...