Gameweek 9 Matchday Thread

FHFC

FutureGuy wrote: »

I have to disagree. I don't think he is overlooked but in a season that is filled with incredible midpriced midfield options, he was a on the outer edge of consideration. He came back on my radar last week but I felt Mane has the superior form and longer term fixtures.

Well done for anyone that had him mind you.

Interesting stuff. Wijnaldum was one of a couple of options i looked at as a Hazard replacement last night. I was looking for somebody cheap enough to do Sahko to Costa.

Their fixtures now are incredible.

Calvin

menoscemo wrote: »

I was hoping for 6 pts from Martin today but got -1

Me too oh well, still on 58(-8) with Ayew left to play. Let's watch him grab 4 goals?

2nd Row Donkey

Guy in one of my mini leagues left the captaincy on Aguero this week. He still beat me by 7 points

SantryRed

Terrible week. 48 points, -8 point hit, so 40 net for the week.

Fallen from 26k to 74k, I'll be happy to remain within the top 100k by the end of the game tomorrow!

Paully D

The only issue I have with Wijnaldum is, who do you drop?

Sanchez and De Bruyne are close to essential which takes up 2 slots at expensive prices. Mahrez and Payet are still flying and don't exactly have terrible fixtures nor look like slowing down any time soon. Then there's the likes of Mata and Ozil who you'd have to trust to be a lot more consistent and who are ticking along nicely with some nice games coming up. Then when Aguero comes back it's very tough to have anything other than 4 starting midfielders and 1 placeholder on the bench every week.

I flagged him on here the minute he signed for Newcastle myself and he's a cracking player, but while he'll remain on my watchlist (when he's been since pre-season) I can't see myself making a move just yet.

CSF

Paully D wrote: »

The only issue I have with Wijnaldum is, who do you drop?

Sanchez and De Bruyne are close to essential which takes up 2 slots at expensive prices. Mahrez and Payet are still flying and don't exactly have terrible fixtures nor look like slowing down any time soon. Then there's the likes of Mata and Ozil who you'd have to trust to be a lot more consistent and who are ticking along nicely with some nice games coming up. Then when Aguero comes back it's very tough to have anything other than 4 starting midfielders and 1 placeholder on the bench every week.

I flagged him on here the minute he signed for Newcastle myself and he's a cracking player, but while he'll remain on my watchlist (when he's been since pre-season) I can't see myself making a move just yet.

Same really. Mahrez, Payet, Sanchez, KDB, Vardy, Pelle, Bony seems like my 7 until Aguero becomes a good choice again.

Ziegler1988

When a WC backfires on you, at least he should see some nice autosubs: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/2842181/transfers/history/

Wijnaldum TC: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/453418/event-history/9/

Has to be one of the biggest two GW rank swings: http://fantasy.premierleague.com/entry/2248133/history/

PARlance

Paully D wrote: »

The only issue I have with Wijnaldum is, who do you drop?

Sanchez and De Bruyne are close to essential which takes up 2 slots at expensive prices. Mahrez and Payet are still flying and don't exactly have terrible fixtures nor look like slowing down any time soon. Then there's the likes of Mata and Ozil who you'd have to trust to be a lot more consistent and who are ticking along nicely with some nice games coming up. Then when Aguero comes back it's very tough to have anything other than 4 starting midfielders and 1 placeholder on the bench every week.

I flagged him on here the minute he signed for Newcastle myself and he's a cracking player, but while he'll remain on my watchlist (when he's been since pre-season) I can't see myself making a move just yet.

He may become a really good option if a Aguero return was to be met with a Costa run of form. The Mata/Ozil spot could be his then to facilitate Aguero & Costa up top.

Ziegler1988

I've written emails to FPL for #Justice campaigns, but never this long.........
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/fantasy-football-manager-written-letter-premier-league-just-084914996--spt.html?cmp=ukfb

Colking

PARlance wrote: »

He may become a really good option if a Aguero return was to be met with a Costa run of form. The Mata/Ozil spot could be his then to facilitate Aguero & Costa up top.

I'm seriously considering the Wijnaldum train over Mahrez right now.

jimmii

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

I've written emails to FPL for #Justice campaigns, but never this long.........
https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/fantasy-football-manager-written-letter-premier-league-just-084914996--spt.html?cmp=ukfb

He's really getting a lot of grief for it! Its pretty desperate to write the email but its also pretty desperate to write an article, however short, about the email too! The guy doesn't take the bants too well either he quit FFS after not being able to handle things there not so long ago he decided to go back and post the email there too. It went down a little better than it did on twitter but not much better!

Mr.Prodston

A true #JusticeFor campaign is short and sweet with a little hopeful humour thrown in

Pretty crappy to write an article though in such a tone about it!

FHFC

Mr.Prodston wrote: »

A true #JusticeFor campaign is short and sweet with a little hopeful humour thrown in

Pretty crappy to write an article though in such a tone about it!

The email was pretty pointless and longwinded, but as you say the tone of the article is shìtty and condescending in the extreme.

Anyone who has ever criticised people round here for calling some managers 'casuals' should read it and take note!

A stupid email maybe, but the lad is clearly one of our own so the yahoo guy can fck right off!!

Potential Underachiever

The bit about most of us only checking scores on a Monday morning was amusing!

CSF

The guy who wrote the article is the only one there coming off badly.

stephenl15

CSF wrote: »

The guy who wrote the article is the only one there coming off badly.

No I don't think the guy who wrote the email came off well at all. I mean that's just one of those things. He wasn't on the field after 60 mins. Therefore he doesn't get the points. Build a bridge. No need to go in to all that. He comes across very pretentious if that's the word I'm looking for.

spock.

69(-4) with Ayew to play. Most are all out so a goal from Ayew tonight should mean a decent green arrow.

CSF

stephenl15 wrote: »

No I don't think the guy who wrote the email came off well at all. I mean that's just one of those things. He wasn't on the field after 60 mins. Therefore he doesn't get the points. Build a bridge. No need to go in to all that. He comes across very pretentious if that's the word I'm looking for.

I've seen players get rounded up in minutes many times though, to the point where I actually thought that was how it worked until this came along and clarified it.

They need to apply a little consistency and he is right to query why one rule applied to Cedric and another to Yoshida (?).

If there's a rule it should be clear and applied consistently whether it impacts on points or not. Between this and phantom goals that are clearly other players goals or OGs, OPTA are given a pretty free reign to get things completely wrong.

Iused2likebusts

So if someone comes on at 30.59 they would be entitled to 60 min clean sheet bonus. Which isn't fair.

jimmii

When they got round to reading it they must have thought is this guy serious? Would love to know exactly what he was expecting to get in response did he think there was a chance that Cedric would credited with playing 60 minutes or did he just want Yoshida to be rounded down to 30 just for the sake of it and thought that was worth sending that big long email for!

His suggestion that they should basically changes the rules to it being 59:30 needed to be played to get a CS instead of 60:00 is just the most ridiculous thing I think I have ever seen on a Fanstasy forum before! You can be sure that if his defender came off after 59:29 he would be timing it to the millisecond and then telling them to round it up to 59:30 because he used an atomic clock and he actually left the field at 59:29.56 so it should be 59:30.

CSF

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

So if someone comes on at 30.59 they would be entitled to 60 min clean sheet bonus. Which isn't fair.

If the rule amounts to how they've implemented it in this case, 2 substitutes minutes should never amount to more than 89 minutes. But this is the problem with OPTA, no consistency.

I would like to do a bit of research to see how frequently they've actually done it the other way but I'm really not that arsed.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

I've seen players get rounded up in minutes many times though, to the point where I actually thought that was how it worked until this came along and clarified it.

They need to apply a little consistency and he is right to query why one rule applied to Cedric and another to Yoshida (?).

If there's a rule it should be clear and applied consistently whether it impacts on points or not. Between this and phantom goals that are clearly other players goals or OGs, OPTA are given a pretty free reign to get things completely wrong.

They have always rounded up minutes in the past alright. I presume the system either sends down everything from 29:00 - 29:59 as 30th minute or the system rounds it to the nearest whole minute. I doubt they can change that as it must come from the OPTA feed. I think you're right on them needing to correct Yoshidas too if its done for one player it should be done for all even if it doesn't actually make any difference.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

If the rule amounts to how they've implemented it in this case, 2 substitutes minutes should never amount to more than 89 minutes. But this is the problem with OPTA, no consistency.

I would like to do a bit of research to see how frequently they've actually done it the other way but I'm really not that arsed.

Researching that would almost be as bad as sending that email! Its surely happened at some point before probably just with a player with low ownership so it went under the radar.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

They have always rounded up minutes in the past alright. I presume the system either sends down everything from 29:00 - 29:59 as 30th minute or the system rounds it to the nearest whole minute. I doubt they can change that as it must come from the OPTA feed. I think you're right on them needing to correct Yoshidas too if its done for one player it should be done for all even if it doesn't actually make any difference.

But if you round up minutes, he gets the clean sheet.

The issue is that nobody seems to have a clue exactly what it was meant to be. Substitutions happen every game and the players always add up to 90 minutes. Which wouldn't be the case if the same approach was applied to every player. The players would add up to 89.

Them adding to 90 minutes implies that they are rounding up and down, but we can see in this case that this is not happening.

So which is it? People caring immensely about Cedric's minutes but not Yoshida's isn't correct.

Ziegler1988

The only time I've seen them change a decision after a game update in the 2.5 seasons I've been playing seriously was that Suarez assist for the pen at Old Trafford. Even this past weekend, Brunt gets an assist for a cross that the keeper drops yet Sagna doesn't. In terms of Cedric, he didn't play 60 mins but the guy did have a point about Yoshida. I suppose the issue is with OPTA since that's what FPL Towers always quote back

CSF

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

The only time I've seen them change a decision after a game update in the 2.5 seasons I've been playing seriously was that Suarez assist for the pen at Old Trafford. Even this past weekend, Brunt gets an assist for a cross that the keeper drops yet Sagna doesn't. In terms of Cedric, he didn't play 60 mins but the guy did have a point about Yoshida. I suppose the issue is with OPTA since that's what FPL Towers always quote back

This is it. We need clarification, does the guy who comes on after 30:10 get a clean sheet, even though they technically could play the exact same amount of minutes to the second.

If not, how does it work? I'm fine to run with whatever given 60 minutes is as arbitrary a line as any but I genuinely don't know what the arbitrary line is anymore.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

But if you round up minutes, he gets the clean sheet.

The issue is that nobody seems to have a clue exactly what it was meant to be. Substitutions happen every game and the players always add up to 90 minutes. Which wouldn't be the case if the same approach was applied to every player. The players would add up to 89.

Them adding to 90 minutes implies that they are rounding up and down, but we can see in this case that this is not happening.

So which is it? People caring immensely about Cedric's minutes but not Yoshida's isn't correct.

Yeh initially it was rounded up and he was given the cleansheet points which I am guessing is when it came down the feed and was automatically updated by the system and then when whoever runs things on the day saw it had been credited as 60 minutes instead of 59 they went in and manually adjusted it he was sitting on 6 points for a minute or two.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

This is it. We need clarification, does the guy who comes on after 30:10 get a clean sheet, even though they technically could play the exact same amount of minutes to the second.

If not, how does it work? I'm fine to run with whatever given 60 minutes is as arbitrary a line as any but I genuinely don't know what the arbitrary line is anymore.

When players have come on in the 30th minute in the past it has then been rounded down. I remember it happening to a player I owned and I felt even more hard down by as it was a game with a good bit of additional time so the total pitch time was closer to 70 than 60 but its just one of those things.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

Yeh initially it was rounded up and he was given the cleansheet points which I am guessing is when it came down the feed and was automatically updated by the system and then when whoever runs things on the day saw it had been credited as 60 minutes instead of 59 they went in and manually adjusted it he was sitting on 6 points for a minute or two.

Which is ridiculous. If it normally applies that way Cedric should have gotten 6 points for his very lucky owners this week.

jimmii

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

The only time I've seen them change a decision after a game update in the 2.5 seasons I've been playing seriously was that Suarez assist for the pen at Old Trafford. Even this past weekend, Brunt gets an assist for a cross that the keeper drops yet Sagna doesn't. In terms of Cedric, he didn't play 60 mins but the guy did have a point about Yoshida. I suppose the issue is with OPTA since that's what FPL Towers always quote back

That Suarez change was a disgrace they make a big song and dance about how they will NEVER make a change after game day then yeh but we will just this one time just for because.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

When players have come on in the 30th minute in the past it has then been rounded down. I remember it happening to a player I owned and I felt even more hard down by as it was a game with a good bit of additional time so the total pitch time was closer to 70 than 60 but its just one of those things.

Injury time doesn't count. Fairly sure that is specified somewhere to stop people coming on after 32 minutes complaining.

Can't have the 'it's just one of those things' argument tbh. This is an extremely well paid statistics company. Consistency isn't much to ask.

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

Which is ridiculous. If it normally applies that way Cedric should have gotten 6 points for his very lucky owners this week.

Its a bit all over the place alright but as long as they give the correct number of points then I am happy enough for them to keep on doing what they are doing even if it doesn't actually make sense.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

Its a bit all over the place alright but as long as they give the correct number of points then I am happy enough for them to keep on doing what they are doing even if it doesn't actually make sense.

But how do we know what the correct amount of points is if there is no arbitrary line?

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

Injury time doesn't count. Fairly sure that is specified somewhere to stop people coming on after 32 minutes complaining.

Can't have the 'it's just one of those things' argument tbh. This is an extremely well paid statistics company. Consistency isn't much to ask.

I doubt we're going to find out whose end the issue is at but I would imagine its FPL. As you say OPTA is an extremely well paid stats company I can't believe they deal only in whole minutes my guess is that the OPTA data sent it down as Cedric going off at 59:42 and when received by FPL the system is coded so it was then rounded up to 60.

The one of those things I was talking about was when you're defender comes on 30 seconds late not that they should take injury time into account.

CSF

jimmii wrote: »

I doubt we're going to find out whose end the issue is at but I would imagine its FPL. As you say OPTA is an extremely well paid stats company I can't believe they deal only in whole minutes my guess is that the OPTA data sent it down as Cedric going off at 59:42 and when received by FPL the system is coded so it was then rounded up to 60.

The one of those things I was talking about was when you're defender comes on 30 seconds late not that they should take injury time into account.

I'm pretty sure it's all automated. This has been someone manually overriding the automation for what as far as I can see is for no good reason

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's all automated. This has been someone manually overriding the automation for what as far as I can see is for no good reason

It has to be. On a Saturday that would be an insane amount of data for any human to handle! They must then go in and manually change the data that then just effects fpl like the made up assists and when they want to round down playing time!

Ziegler1988

CSF wrote: »

I'm pretty sure it's all automated. This has been someone manually overriding the automation for what as far as I can see is for no good reason

I got a clean sheet from Cedric in Dugout and I think they're OPTA as well. To be fair, FPL have been consistent about anything between 59:00 and 59:59 as being 59 minutes from what I've seen

jimmii

CSF wrote: »

But how do we know what the correct amount of points is if there is no arbitrary line?

Because although the timing might not be clear on this the rules are the player must complete 60 minutes which he didn't.

spock.

#Swans line-up v @stokecity: Fabianski, Rangel, Fernandez, Williams (C), Taylor, Cork, Shelvey, Barrow, Ayew, Montero, Gomis. #SWASTK

Muniesa benched for Stoke

Ziegler1988

#Swans line-up v @stokecity: Fabianski, Rangel, Fernandez, Williams (C), Taylor, Cork, Shelvey, Barrow, Ayew, Montero, Gomis. #SWASTK
#Swans subs v @stokecity: Nordfeldt, Naughton, Bartley, Britton, Sigurdsson, Ki Sung-Yueng, Eder. #SWASTK
Butland, Pieters, Wollscheid, Cameron, Johnson, Whelan, Adam, Arnautovic, Bojan, Shaqiri, Joselu

jimmii

Ziegler1988 wrote: »

I got a clean sheet from Cedric in Dugout and I think they're OPTA as well. To be fair, FPL have been consistent about anything between 59:00 and 59:59 as being 59 minutes from what I've seen

The problem is that while 59:00-59:59 = 59 they say 30:00-30:59 = 31.

extra gravy

Naughton on the bench again...

Iused2likebusts

Rare to be in a nice relaxed state ahead of a game. I've already had a good week and ayew to come in this game.

FHFC

For absolute Jesus ****ing ****s sakes.

Now Martin will sub in for Naughton with his -1.

Didn't take enough hits.

FHFC

Iused2likebusts wrote: »

Rare to be in a nice relaxed state ahead of a game. I've already had a good week and ayew to come in this game.

I'm off to back him for a hattrick Mr Midas touch!

SlickRic

Time to get rid of Naughton?

My defence has killed me this season.

FHFC

FHFC wrote: »

I'm off to back him for a hattrick Mr Midas touch!

Yup. He's 66/1 the hattrick. Free money people.

DarraghF197

Do you lose points for giving away a penalty? Stoke pen Bojan score.

Dubliner28

There goes my Swansea cleanie..Thank you Mr Williams......
Too much to ask for Ayew hatrick and 3 Williams assists?

sheroman01

Bojan scores.