RTE 'revamping' the Angelus slot

Datallus

Kev W wrote: »

You have every right to do that, bizarre and meaningless as it is.

Bizarre and meaningless? Or insightful and responsible?

The cultural vandals who are pushing their agenda of nescience have supped the foul and false elixir of secularism from the trough of Lucifer, which has blinded them to the splendour of creation.

Just because they can't understand it they wish to rob society of the balm of knowing transcendence. For shame.

Kev W

Datallus wrote: »

Bizarre and meaningless? Or insightful and responsible?

The cultural vandals who are pushing their agenda of nescience have supped the foul and false elixir of secularism from the trough of Lucifer, which has blinded them to the splendour of creation.

Just because they can't understand it they wish to rob society of the balm of knowing transcendence. For shame.

Ah. Sorry. I should have just said mental.

Paramite Pie

Datallus wrote: »

Bizarre and meaningless? Or insightful and responsible?

The cultural vandals who are pushing their agenda of nescience have supped the foul and false elixir of secularism from the trough of Lucifer, which has blinded them to the splendour of creation.

Just because they can't understand it they wish to rob society of the balm of knowing transcendence. For shame.

What's wrong with Secularism? And what are it's connections to the Morning Star (Lucifer).

And why should a State support one religion? Simply because many of it's people do? If people believe in that Faith, they will follow it without support of the government. Minority religions have not being harmed in this state by lack televised prayer. Catholics won't be either.

One eyed Jack

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

So to be a catholic you have to want a certain type of education or infrastructure.

I honestly can't figure out how you derived that from my post? I never said anything about what is 'required' by a person to self-identify as Roman Catholic. They can if they want, or they can identify as anything else they want either. I have no interest in telling them what they are or aren't or passing judgement upon them. I'm not fond of people pointing fingers at me, so I don't go out of my way to point fingers at other people and tell them they're not doing enough to qualify to be able to call themselves Roman Catholic. Their religious beliefs or none are their own business.

If however, someone goes out of their way to point fingers at me, you can be damn sure I'm going to suggest they take a look at themselves first before they assume any authority to pass judgement upon me.

It's coming across as 84% of people agree with me when I want them to except for those times it can be shown as false. Every other time we can assume it though, they consider themselves catholic so they must want catholic things, even if they don't want those other catholic things.

'Nowt queer as folk' as the saying goes. I have enough to be doing trying to live my own life, I don't have time to take time out of my life to judge other people. Great if they agree with me, pain in the hole if they don't, but I don't make that their problem.

ablelocks

maybe it's been suggested already, but shouldn't AH produce and submit their own video? If people submit a 5-10 second clip, and if there was someone here who could splice and dice the footage into a video, AH could have it's own 1 minute of bong, bong fame!?

TomBtheGoat

recylingbin wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone could be angry about the Angelus. Who gives a sh1t?
How empty is your life that you need to take a minute out of someone else's life?

Some people just need to whine.

RobertKK

Paramite Pie wrote: »

You just used the census result as an opinion poll to claim support for the Angelus. Hypocrisy at it's finest.:rolleyes:

Opinion poll is not the same as a census or a referendum.

Census is based on actual stats from the whole population, an opinion poll a view of around 1,000 people.

CruelCoin

My name is URL wrote: »

It's funnier considering most of those opposed to the angelus have, and will again vote for a political party which defines itself as 'Christian Democratic'

How many of those opposed to it have baptised their children I wonder. Ah shur that's different I suppose, what choice do people have? Gotta get the kids into school like. But hey, we'll vote for them Christian Democrats again anyway, who have no intention of changing anything!

The cognitive dissonance and mental gymnastics is strong in this thread.

Its funny that you think people will vote for a particular party based on religion.

Ghost Buster

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

People really do have little to complain about don't they!

Why did you click into the thread then and why do you keep posting?

CruelCoin

Datallus wrote: »

I'd equate people who want to stop RTE broadcasting the Angelus with those people who want to stop schools teaching Shakespeare. Pagans!

Dude, you believe in this: That a cosmic jewish zombie who was his on father can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him you accept him as your master, so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.

And you're calling me the pagan? :eek:
Lets not start with who is more incorrect because face it, both sides will have strong points to make.

I would equate the angelus with institutionalised ignorance, and its removal should be celebrated.

Dr.Internet

I think those most opposed are the "live and let live" crowd, you know the "right on" type that can get offended on behalf of everyone, usually because they are loud!

The rest of us either turn over or watch it
A WHOLE minute!!

Ruu

Can they not have some odd eastern European cartoon to fill in the minute or a music video like they used to?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ugBX6H0Z2hc

digger58

fepper wrote: »

So what foreigners don't like it,our country,our traditions,our religion,1 minute of the angelus a day,get a life!!

I'm not a foreigner and I don't like it. Prayer or reflection is a private matter and this exclusive Roman Catholic call to prayer has no place in a modern Ireland.

My name is URL

CruelCoin wrote: »

Its funny that you think people will vote for a particular party based on religion.

I don't think they will, in fact I know they won't; which was my point.

For all the bellyaching about how strongly people view the subject of religion-state separation, they'll more than likely choose to ignore it completely when they go to the polls. Where are those who otherwise support FG (or any party), demanding that their plan for government includes getting rid of the angelus, removing church influence from schools etc, etc?

Better to whine about it online than actually do anything tangible to bring about change eh?

Bunch of fcuking windbags!

CruelCoin

My name is URL wrote: »

I don't think they will, in fact I know they won't; which was my point.

For all the bellyaching about how strongly people view the subject of religion-state separation, they'll more than likely choose to ignore it completely when they go to the polls. Where are those who otherwise support FG (or any party), demanding that their plan for government includes getting rid of the angelus, removing church influence from schools etc, etc?

Better to whine about it online than actually do anything tangible to bring about change eh?

Bunch of fcuking windbags!

Ah sorry, i misunderstood your first post.

I would think why its only discussed here is because its not worth my time discussing it anywhere else.
It's just not worth my free time to bring this up in conversation/communication with anyone with the power to do something about it.
"Hi, i'd like to canvas you to remove this 1 minute tv slot i find offence with" That's not likely.

My name is URL

CruelCoin wrote: »

Ah sorry, i misunderstood your first post.

I would think why its only discussed here is because its not worth my time discussing it anywhere else.
It's just not worth my free time to bring this up in conversation/communication with anyone with the power to do something about it.
"Hi, i'd like to canvas you to remove this 1 minute tv slot i find offence with" That's not likely.

The Angelus is just one part of it anyway though, and if truth is told it's probably not worth canvassing for really.

If what people genuinely want is a better separation of church and state, they could at least ask their local TDs what their views on morning prayers in the Dail and Seanad are, and if they'd be open to change or to bringing it up for discussion as a leader's question or whatever.

If they say they wouldn't be then surely it's an indication that they wouldn't go further than that, in supporting divestment measures of the church in education etc.

I honestly don't see why someone would support an individual or party if they opposed such things, and assuming the voter did feel as genuinely and strongly about such things. The only way anyone can change anything in a democracy is via the ballot box, and letting those we elect know where we stand on matters.

NachoBusiness

Shush will ye, and show a bit of bloody respect for once, you heathens..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXmXO4d_R7g

philstar

can they do a striptease...with a sexy lady removing an item of clothing with each chime??

KungPao

Scrap it? Grand.

Update to make it a moment of reflection - non-religious? Grand.

Updated to be more inclusive and feature Islamic stuff? No dice. Not having that **** on my telly in Ireland.

Kev W

KungPao wrote: »

Scrap it? Grand.

Update to make it a moment of reflection - non-religious? Grand.

Updated to be more inclusive and feature Islamic stuff? No dice. Not having that **** on my telly in Ireland.

At least you're honestly and openly speaking from a place of bigotry. I almost respect that.

KungPao

Kev W wrote: »

At least you're honestly and openly speaking from a place of bigotry. I almost respect that.

I have no time for any religion. But Islam, in particular, is dangerous and their way of life doesn't mix with ours, and yes, I don't want it here.

NachoBusiness

philstar wrote: »

can they do a striptease...with a sexy lady removing an item of clothing with each chime??

Webcam in Sharon NI Bholainianiiian''s dressing room as she got ready would make some great viewing in a time of eh.. reflection.

expectationlost

My name is URL wrote: »

Maybe a better place to start such a crusade would be here

http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/a-misc/prayer.htm

Demand that a stop be put to that. See how many elected representatives row in behind you in support

Will you be favoring the Christian Democratics (FG) btw? Seems a bit counterproductive to your cause in this particular matter if so

there was slight change in the Seanad when the order of business was changed to add and a silent moment of reflection http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/politics/reflective-silence-replaces-seanad-prayer-184806.html (ignore the dishonest headline)

RayCon

I wonder how many outraged by this are actually watching RTE daily at 6pm ?

VinLieger

RayCon wrote: »

I wonder how many outraged by this are actually watching RTE daily at 6pm ?

Its nothing to do with watching it, its the fact taxes are being spent on promoting religion

One eyed Jack

VinLieger wrote: »

Its nothing to do with watching it, its the fact taxes are being spent on promoting religion

Are they though?

Genuine question, because I was always under the impression that RTE was funded by licence fees and advertising. Have I been wrong all this time?

Then maybe I may have a legitimate claim to suggest that RTE pull 99% of their programming and replace it with 100% religious programming, just for shìts and giggles. I don't watch much on RTE television any more (though I do like Lyric FM), but at least it'd make my licence fee (and my tax contributions) better entertainment value for money

Capt'n Midnight

RayCon wrote: »

I wonder how many outraged by this are actually watching RTE daily at 6pm ?

And how many of them have PVR's or access to streaming ?

How many people watch the foreign news headlines and flick back to RTE to see which news to watch ?

VinLieger wrote: »

Its nothing to do with watching it, its the fact taxes are being spent on promoting religion

Actually it's cheap compared to other prime time programming.

And as long as they cater for the major religions and Jedi and Pastafarians and Humanists and Atheists and others including those who like a pause in the day.

Jimoslimos

I don't have a problem with the Angelus......

....as long as it is paid for for by the Catholic church and broadcast on a commercial station, e.g. TV3.

Win-win for all involved. The State broadcaster isn't pushing religion down our throats and TV3s programming is vastly improved. Nice lead in to Xposé too!

VinLieger

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Are they though?

Genuine question, because I was always under the impression that RTE was funded by licence fees and advertising. Have I been wrong all this time?

Then maybe I may have a legitimate claim to suggest that RTE pull 99% of their programming and replace it with 100% religious programming, just for shìts and giggles. I don't watch much on RTE television any more (though I do like Lyric FM), but at least it'd make my licence fee (and my tax contributions) better entertainment value for money

Well if you want to be technical its the license fee however its government mandated and illegal to own a tv and not pay it unless specifically exempt for certain reasons so its pretty much a tax in all but name as An Post who are Government owned are responsible for collection and enforcement

Carlo Ancelotti

The Angeles went downhill ages ago
It was at its finest with the simple old religious iconography

Ghost Buster

Carlo Ancelotti wrote: »

The Angeles went downhill ages ago
It was at its finest with the simple old religious iconography

They should throw in random bible verses aswell. The ones about stoning adulterous ladies and eating your own children for a start.

cowboyBuilder

Tarzana2 wrote: »

So, it's moving away from Catholicism to include those of different faiths or no faith? Well, that's good, I guess. If we're going to have it, might as well be inclusive. What would be wonderful is if they did away with it completely!

Great! and while we are at it, let's include the muslim call to prayer !!!

Sharia law next...

Kev W

cowboyBuilder wrote: »

Great! and while we are at it, let's include the muslim call to prayer !!!

Sharia law next...

The slope, she is so slippery!!!!!!!!!

wp_rathead

It's hard to give a sh!t about this to be fair
Despite being a secularist, I care as much about this as I did about the Presidential Age Referendum

PopePalpatine

Datallus wrote: »

Bizarre and meaningless? Or insightful and responsible?

The cultural vandals who are pushing their agenda of nescience have supped the foul and false elixir of secularism from the trough of Lucifer, which has blinded them to the splendour of creation.

Just because they can't understand it they wish to rob society of the balm of knowing transcendence. For shame.

Why do you seem so familiar? You seem to be jealous of the so-called "Islamic State", because the Catholic version only covers a square kilometre or so. :pac:

Huntergonzo

2 Questions

1. Why does RTE continue to refer to a catholic call to prayer as simply a 'time for reflection'?

2. Who the hell turns on the television when they want time to reflect anyway? surely that's better done in silence and certainly not to the soundtrack of BONG! BONG! BONG!

osarusan

Now now, the reflective focus of people 'of all faiths and none' will be enhanced by the soothing tones of the church bells.

Kev W

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Why do you seem so familiar?

Because they talk like Doctor Doom, maybe?

Canis Lupus

PopePalpatine wrote: »

Why do you seem so familiar? You seem to be jealous of the so-called "Islamic State", because the Catholic version only covers a square kilometre or so. :pac:

Replace the D with a C...... He almost had me fooled.

Okay I get it, people love moaning. Me, you and everyone on the internet.

But seriously who here is actually genuinely offended by the Angelus? Serious question. I mean does it actually bother any of you in the slightest in real life and not just on boards and if it does can you tell me why?

Canis Lupus

Deleted User wrote: »

Okay I get it, people love moaning. Me, you and everyone on the internet.

But seriously who here is actually genuinely offended by the Angelus? Serious question. I mean does it actually bother any of you in the slightest in real life and not just on boards and if it does can you tell me why?

Offended? No.

Do I think it's a stupid relic from the past that's pandering to a dying and a soon to be completely irrelevant institution in modern day Ireland and as such shouldn't be broadcast by the national broadcaster? Yes.

digger58

As a person thankfully free from religion it does bother me, and many others I would suggest. Why should we have to pay a licence fee to support this blatant religious call to prayer from one particular religion! It's all or nothing in my opinion, the only solution is No religious call to prayer from any faith. The national broadcaster should not be hijacked by any particular faith, let them pay the independents stations if they want, see how popular that would be!

frostyjacks

I think a moment of pause and reflection each day can't be a bad thing. Perhaps if more people did it, they wouldn't be so full of bitterness and hatred.

Kev W

frostyjacks wrote: »

I think a moment of pause and reflection each day can't be a bad thing. Perhaps if more people did it, they wouldn't be so full of bitterness and hatred.

Hi pot, have you met kettle?

Oh you have.

Oh.

Sorry, I...

Sorry, I had no idea.

ElChe32

They should just flash a big pair of bouncing tits for a minute at 6pm.

The Randy Riverbeast

frostyjacks wrote: »

I think a moment of pause and reflection each day can't be a bad thing. Perhaps if more people did it, they wouldn't be so full of bitterness and hatred.

It doesnt seem to be working for the Catholics.

osarusan

ElChe32 wrote: »

They should just flash a big pair of bouncing tits for a minute at 6pm.

Slappining off each other in slow motion at each BONG.....BONG.....BONG.

I'd reflect to that.

ElChe32

osarusan wrote: »

Slappining off each other in slow motion at each BONG.....BONG.....BONG.

I'd reflect to that.

We could be on to something here lad!

Galwayguy35

I wonder how many people that are so concerned about what something that is one minute out of the day is costing the state broadcaster even pay the license fee?

But sure any excuse for the A+A gang to have a pop at Catholics.

digger58

digger58 wrote: »

As a person thankfully free from religion it does bother me, and many others I would suggest. Why should we have to pay a licence fee to support this blatant religious call to prayer from one particular religion! It's all or nothing in my opinion, the only solution is No religious call to prayer from any faith. The national broadcaster should not be hijacked by any particular faith, let them pay the independents stations if they want, see how popular that would be!

Why should anyone pay for a license for content they don't agree with regardless whether it's religiously aimed or not?

It's not exactly propaganda aimed at converting Jews to Catholicism. It's a few bells that go on for a minute. Still don't get why anyone is bothered by it. Don't like it, don't watch it. Simple