Arsenal v Bayern Munich, TV3

That_Guy

Qualification for the Europa League is still on for Arsenal!!

Bobby Baccala

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You can tell Souness sits there on a Thursday night wondering what the best team in the world is doing in the Europa league

Brilliant

Nib

Delighted to see Bayern beaten.

I have to say, and I said this before, Laurent Koscielny is the most under rated defender I've ever seen. He's excellent.

DarraghF197

Nib wrote: »

Delighted to see Bayern beaten.

I have to say, and I said this before, Laurent Koscielny is the most under rated defender I've ever seen. He's excellent.

He is definitely. He made a few rash challenges out of nowhere that cost us, but he's been superb apart from that. I think it's the whole playing for a team perceived to still be useless at defending that makes him so underrated.

Streetwalker

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

You can tell Souness sits there on a Thursday night wondering what the best team in the world is doing in the Europa league

Amazing wit.

Nib

DarraghF197 wrote: »

He is definitely. He made a few rash challenges out of nowhere that cost us, but he's been superb apart from that. I think it's the whole playing for a team perceived to still be useless at defending that makes him so underrated.

In his early career at Arsenal he was very rash alright, he's matured hugely in the last two seasons though. He's one of the few defenders I enjoy watching.

Himself and Chris Smalling are the two best centre halves in the EPL right now IMO.

SlickRic

Soups123 wrote: »

Now are you going to apologise Slick? 😂

For saying he was being ripped a new one? No. Because he was.

He was fantastic 2nd half though. He's going to be phenomenal.

Also, RE: Ozil, people get so fúcking defensive about him. He's brilliant. I love watching him play. Some of his passing and awareness tonight was great. But in the first half he seemed to get caught with the ball needlessly a couple of times. I might have just been harsh though.

Ozil's detractors tend to go overboard on some of his faults, but his supporters sometimes go completely the other way, and you'd swear he was faultless.

Nalz

SlickRic wrote: »

For saying he was being ripped a new one? No. Because he was.

He was fantastic 2nd half though. He's going to be phenomenal.

Also, RE: Ozil, people get so fúcking defensive about him. He's brilliant. I love watching him play. Some of his passing and awareness tonight was great. But in the first half he seemed to get caught with the ball needlessly a couple of times. I might have just been harsh though.

Ozil's detractors tend to go overboard on some of his faults, but his supporters sometimes go completely the other way, and you'd swear he was faultless.

Ozil far from faultless tonight. Surprised he stayed on the whole game.

Nalz

efb wrote: »

I just came (over all of a sudden!)

Lol - you think you could tone it down now and again ?

efb

Nalz wrote: »

efb wrote: »

I just came (over all of a sudden!)

Lol - you think you could tone it down now and again ?

Add your reply here.

for whom?

Nalz

efb wrote: »

Add your reply here.

for whom?

OK ok, thought I might ask that's all. Don't want to get into that kinda discussion.

efb

Nalz wrote: »

OK ok, thought I might ask that's all. Don't want to get into that kinda discussion.

Oh you just wanted me to nod and agree?

Corholio

Nib wrote: »

Delighted to see Bayern beaten.

I have to say, and I said this before, Laurent Koscielny is the most under rated defender I've ever seen. He's excellent.

Underrated? ever seen?

He's always had a very good reputation.

Nalz

efb wrote: »

Oh you just wanted me to nod and agree?

Doesn't anyone when they stress out loud that they feel someone else is overdoing something a tad? I just cringed a bit at the Giroud pic and the double entendres. I retract it all though having thought about it. You're not breaking any rules and it's my little bridge to build. Night.

bad2dabone

Overdoing what?
Just a bit of light hearted fun I thought.

klose

gandalf wrote: »

Jaysus the bitterness lives long in those old 80's Liverpool players !!

I don't see what souness has to be bitter about looking at his trophy collection.



Those two saves from Neuer, granted the second one went over the line were ridiculous reflexes, still can't get over them.

efb

klose wrote: »

I don't see what souness has to be bitter about looking at his trophy collection.



Those two saves from Neuer, granted the second one went over the line were ridiculous reflexes, still can't get over them.

Hows his managerial record???

klose

efb wrote: »

Hows his managerial record???

11 trophies, 7 of those being at rangers. That was before my time and I'm well aware his tenure at Liverpool was disastrous but hey silverware is silverware.

efb

klose wrote: »

11 trophies, 7 of those being at rangers. That was before my time and I'm well aware his tenure at Liverpool was disastrous but hey silverware is silverware.

7 trophies in Scotland! Stop the presses! Why isn't he knighted???

klose

efb wrote: »

7 trophies in Scotland! Stop the presses! Why isn't he knighted???

I answered your question was all. Anyways, I'll drop it.

Skylinehead

SlickRic wrote: »

Also, RE: Ozil, people get so fúcking defensive about him. He's brilliant. I love watching him play. Some of his passing and awareness tonight was great. But in the first half he seemed to get caught with the ball needlessly a couple of times. I might have just been harsh though.

Criticism when it's warranted is fine, I have no problem with that.

But you said, in your own words, that he "isn't interested". He lost the ball once in the first half from what I remembered, and created more than any other Arsenal player on the pitch.

And for a player who isn't "interested", looks like he won the ball more than anybody else from either team. Funny that. Just because he has a permanent look of disapproval on his face doesn't mean he isn't committed to the game.

Nalz

Skylinehead wrote: »

But you said, in your own words, that he "isn't interested". He lost the ball once in the first half from what I remembered, and created more than any other Arsenal player on the pitch.

He lost the ball a good few times and seemed lethargic tackling\tracking.

Skylinehead

Nalz wrote: »

He lost the ball a good few times and seemed lethargic tackling\tracking.

We must have been watching different games, he worked as hard as I've ever seen him. Cazorla was much more culpable in the first half for losing the ball, but he doesn't ever seem to get criticised for it!

Hyzepher

Those who give out about Ozil should rewatch the Bayern game but only follow Ozil and not the ball. You may have another opinion of him then

Nalz

Skylinehead wrote: »

We must have been watching different games

Myself, my housemates, my pet dogs and SlickRic were all in a different dimension... different world. Or maybe we were all high as fack! What we saw was Ozil not the best. God that must have been special tae we were drinking!!!

Skylinehead

Nalz wrote: »

Myself, my housemates, my pet dogs and SlickRic were all in a different dimension... different world. Or maybe we were all high as fack! What we saw was Ozil not the best. God that must have been special tae we were drinking!!!

You can get sarky, or you can actually back your point up. I have.

Pro. F

Corholio wrote: »

Underrated? ever seen?

He's always had a very good reputation.

I'm sure I remember him getting heavily criticised from loads of media and posters in his first few years at Arsenal. Not that I'm saying that was warranted, just that that's what I remember how his reputation was.

The popular opinion on him has seen a big turnaround imo.

OneEightSeven

He's no good, that Ozil: http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/mesut-ozil/leistungsdaten/spieler/35664

Nalz

Skylinehead wrote: »

You can get sarky, or you can actually back your point up. I have.

All jokes aside I wouldn't call the below (from your post) backing a point up to be fair. I disagree with your vague points and I thought he only did ok to poor at best last night. Keeping it vague too, there ya go

"He lost the ball once in the first half from what I remembered, and created more than any other Arsenal player on the pitch.

And for a player who isn't "interested", looks like he won the ball more than anybody else from either team. Funny that. Just because he has a permanent look of disapproval on his face doesn't mean he isn't committed to the game. "

Nalz

OneEightSeven wrote: »

He's no good, that Ozil:

Of course he's good. I don't think anyone is saying any different? Plus quoting his stats from the league is a bit silly if you ask me. Wesley Hoolahan, Mane, Albrighton and Sissoko are up there in terms of assists this season. I think Wes is only one behind Ozil which is always good to read.

niallo27

Are we allowed say he might not have played that well in a game or is that off limits as well. It's a bit cult like the defence of anything to do with Ozil.

symbolic

I loved his two cross field balls at the end.. First to Giroud, perfect ball, great by Giroud and ends up back to Ozil who pings it over to chamberlain (? I think). I love watching him play. He's so clever on the ball. And telling others where to run etc. More ozils is what I need.

He lost the ball at times last night, but usually when given to him where he could do nothing with it. Ozil wouldn't have passed to Ozil at those times..

Skylinehead

Nalz wrote: »

All jokes aside I wouldn't call the below (from your post) backing a point up to be fair. I disagree with your vague points and I thought he only did ok to poor at best last night. Keeping it vague too, there ya go

"He lost the ball once in the first half from what I remembered, and created more than any other Arsenal player on the pitch.

And for a player who isn't "interested", looks like he won the ball more than anybody else from either team. Funny that. Just because he has a permanent look of disapproval on his face doesn't mean he isn't committed to the game. "

he won the ball more than anybody else

Fair enough, I phrased it like I made it up, but I didn't.

ronjo

niallo27 wrote: »

Are we allowed say he might not have played that well in a game or is that off limits as well. It's a bit cult like the defence of anything to do with Ozil.

I think its caused by pundits constantly having a go at him when you think they really should know better.

So much lazy journalism around him because he "looks" disinterested.

Certainly is playing his best football for Arsenal the last month or so.

johnny osbourne

well done arsenal

it's as good as being in berlin last week for the 1-0

gosplan

ronjo wrote: »

I think its caused by pundits constantly having a go at him when you think they really should know better.

So much lazy journalism around him because he "looks" disinterested.

Certainly is playing his best football for Arsenal the last month or so.

It's people like Dunphy who just love banging the drum calling him a bluffer and a chancer.

He's added a huge amount if defence to his game and bulked up hugely.

That was the original issue. Now it's changed to 'giving the ball away' etc.

He's a great player and has adapted hugely to the prem.

I think people are always going to have a go though. Out of ignorance more than anything.

Like why are we talking about Ozil after last night? Why's he the issue.

Standout game in some way or just obvious target?

DarraghF197

Sanchez gave away the ball twice in very dangerous areas for Bayern and he didn't get any slack for it. Every player loses the ball several times in a match, otherwise we'd have one team dominating the possession 100% of the time. People just notice Ozil giving away the ball more because of people being wary of what the critics think of him. I watch Real Madrid play a lot and Ronaldo gives away the ball so much (I'm a Ronaldo fan), yet doesn't get much criticism at all for it.

Ozil wasn't phenomenal last night, but he definitely played very well. I was reading the newspaper today and it showed the ratings for each player. What a joke! Monreal getting a 6, Bellerin a 5, Per a 6, and plenty other low scores. The whole Arsenal team played as a fantastic team last night.