Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015 - Mod Note Post 7373

Lord TSC

Wait, what did he do at Inter? My understanding was he left revered from them...

RobertKK

Jose achieved nothing at Porto either...I think too much is made of his behaviour.

Lord TSC

Twitter picking up again. A lot of chatter now that there was a meeting today.

Irishcrx

TheDoc wrote: »

Stopped playing Fm months ago, might go back to that save.

As you say, good few of us (Lord aswell) all seemed to have the same team dominating

Haha I had one as well , Adnan was the best player in the world , absolutely racking it up as my number 10 , Angelo on the right inside forward 30 goals a season , left side was a re-gen and I had an unreal re-gen striker.

Pogba in the centre...

Think I was 10-12 seasons into that save.

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

Wait, what did he do at Inter? My understanding was he left revered from them...

yea I think he liked inter but he had a hatred for Italian football

he had a big conspiracy that all refs were against him (shock horror). He made a handcuffs sign to either a ref or tv cameras after one of his players was sent off and he got a 3 match ban.

He also refused to do any media interviews for 3 months!!!

Lord TSC

bangkok wrote: »

yea I think he liked inter but he had a hatred for Italian football

he had a big conspiracy that all refs were against him (shock horror). He made a handcuffs sign to either a ref or tv cameras after one of his players was sent off and he got a 3 match ban.

He also refused to do any media interviews for 3 months!!!

I mean, there's nothing there to lump his departure from Inter in with his departure from Chelsea or Real. Oh no, he didn't like the refs? What manager does? Didn't do interviews for 3 months? How long did Fergie blacklist the BBC for?

RobertKK

Jose when he managed Porto and beat United:
'I understand why he is a bit emotional. He has some of the top players in the world and they should be doing a lot better than that.

'You would be sad if your team gets as clearly dominated by opponents who have been built on 10% of the budget.'

Jose 1st time at Chelsea:
'I told Mr Ferguson that United didn't deserve to leave with nothing.'

The carling cup:
'Sir Alex was very clever, if you can say that, at half-time by putting some pressure on the ref.

'In the second half it was whistle and whistle, fault and fault, cheat and cheat.' Mourinho fined £5,000 for saying United cheated.

The home game at Old Trafford where United lost 3-1 to Chelsea.
'I saw their players and manager go for a lap of honour after losing to us in their last home game.

'In Portugal if you do this, they throw bottles at you.'

When United won the league in 2007
'After all that has happened this season – and that is a lot – I've reached the conclusion that I am a good loser.'

Jose at Inter:
'My wish has been granted. It will be unforgettable to go back to Manchester.

'I want to face the best and United are a team of champions with a super coach in Alex Ferguson. Some say I have a good record against Alex. But the record isn't mine. It's Chelsea's.'

Jose at Real Madrid and when they beat us:
'The best team lost. We didn't deserve to win but football is like this.'

Jose second stint at Chelsea and after he was overlooked for the United job:
'I would have turned down every job in the world - the Manchester United job, every one - for Chelsea.'

When Chelsea were interested in buyng Rooney - missed opportunity...
'They are against me? I didn't say [to Rooney] you will be a second choice for me. And they are against me? We are trying to get a player that a manager told 'You will be a second option' for him.'

When Moyes was sacked:
'I feel sorry for them, I never enjoy when somebody is having some problems like they have but United is United.'

After last season's draw:
'The red card, I could see it coming. If I have to speak about the second yellow I have to speak about lots of things - the penalty that Ivanovic should have been given, the accumulation of yellow cards, the throw-ins. I know I speak always with my heart and get in trouble.'

In the return fixture that we lost:
'We prepared for it to be like this. It was the game we wanted and expected. It was difficult, but less than you think. Control their direct football to Marouane Fellaini and control the wingers from making crosses on the inside foot.

'When we know Wayne Rooney plays in midfield, we control his progression into the box. Control set-pieces and don't give away direct free-kicks as they have three specialists.

'Wait for a mistake and score a goal. We were able to make their important players disappear. Nobody saw them. They were in our pockets.'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-3370224/Jose-Mourinho-Man-Utd-Former-Chelsea-boss-best-quotes.html

Lord TSC

Sports Witness:

Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias have a claim in their Tuesday newspaper, which matches a separate claim from Spain yesterday.

Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo claimed to have spoken to a friend of Jose Mourinho's on Monday, who told them the former Chelsea manager had conditions before he'd even speak to Manchester United directly.

Mourinho was said to be determined to respect Louis van Gaal and so wouldn't talk to Manchester United whilst the Dutchman was still employed by the club. Diario de Noticias, from their own sources, explain things a little more deeply.

'Contrary to what was reported yesterday by some British media, Mourinho has no agreement or formal offer from Manchester United. Last Saturday there was some contacts to know the possible interest of the Special One to train one of Chelsea's main rivals... but for another step to be taken there must be an understanding between the English club and Louis van Gaal for termination. And only after that will the parties sit at the table to discuss a contract and, above all, a project.'

bangkok

Lord TSC wrote: »

I mean, there's nothing there to lump his departure from Inter in with his departure from Chelsea or Real. Oh no, he didn't like the refs? What manager does? Didn't do interviews for 3 months? How long did Fergie blacklist the BBC for?

hang on a minute, nobody might not like a ref but you try and respect them, Mourinho thinks there is a conspiracy against any team he manages.

The minute he got linked with us there are a few here trying to justify it saying he is a great manager etc etc which is is but trying to make out he is a nice person/manager which he most certainly is not

Also Fergie was dead right to black list the BBC. All he wanted was an apology after the programme they did called Fergie and Son and yet they admitted afterwards he never did anything wrong. He got his apology in 2011 and he went back to the bbc.

v3ttel

If the club have scheduled the pre-match press conference as normal vs Stoke, there's no news imminent. There's also no way we're going to sack him in the one day between Stoke and Chelsea. My worry would be that we faff too long without being decisive in time that will define where we go in the next 3 or 4 years.

If we wait until we're mathematically out of the champions league for next year, Guardiola goes to City, Mourinho goes elsewhere, and that's us totally f*cked for the foreseeable future.

We need one or the other.

hufpc8w3adnk65

Lord TSC wrote: »

Twitter picking up again. A lot of chatter now that there was a meeting today.

Why not post a few links and save us all the bothers of searching ha ha!!

homerjay2005

talksport have said meeting currently underway betweeen LVG and Woodward...

could of course be routine, but how the f*ck would this type of stuff get out?

The_Kew_Tour

Talking transfer kitty for January

Coat22

Lord TSC wrote: »

Sports Witness:

Portuguese newspaper Diario de Noticias have a claim in their Tuesday newspaper, which matches a separate claim from Spain yesterday.

Spanish newspaper Mundo Deportivo claimed to have spoken to a friend of Jose Mourinho's on Monday, who told them the former Chelsea manager had conditions before he'd even speak to Manchester United directly.

Mourinho was said to be determined to respect Louis van Gaal and so wouldn't talk to Manchester United whilst the Dutchman was still employed by the club. Diario de Noticias, from their own sources, explain things a little more deeply.

'Contrary to what was reported yesterday by some British media, Mourinho has no agreement or formal offer from Manchester United. Last Saturday there was some contacts to know the possible interest of the Special One to train one of Chelsea's main rivals... but for another step to be taken there must be an understanding between the English club and Louis van Gaal for termination. And only after that will the parties sit at the table to discuss a contract and, above all, a project.'

Big risk there - United sack VG and Mourinho snubs them. United get stuck with Giggs with Ferguson as his "adviser" and appoint Chris Coleman in the summer when he leads Wales to the Euro 16 title not realising that actually it was Bale who won it all on his own.....

glued

I would imagine Woodward is just reiterating to LVG that this is his last chance to turn it around before they go in another direction.

homerjay2005

at this stage now, there is so much focus and negative press,the clubs needs to come out and either support him or sack him.

doing nobody any good with so much uncertainty, its very rare a manager in this scenario recovers from it and results certainly wont either.

Coat22

glued wrote: »

I would imagine Woodward is just reiterating to LVG that this is his last chance to turn it around before they go in another direction.

He should use a twist on Ferguson's play to Keane in '93:

"Look Jose we're going to win play in the Europa League with or without you but with you we can win qualify for the Champions League"

Mitch Connor

The closer it gets to the next game without anything having happened the more it feels nothing is going to happen.

January is going to be an interesting month, regardless. Do United back LVG for the players he wants (or doesn't want) or do they hold off on handing him more money?

I actually wonder if the 'delay'in sacking LVG is down to Pep.

Ie. We are waiting to see if we can get Pep (to agree to come at the end of the season) and therefor keep LVG in place or Giggs, til then. If Pep says a definite no then we sack LVG now and bring Jose in now.

Pro. F

Coat22 wrote: »

Big risk there - United sack VG and Mourinho snubs them. United get stuck with Giggs with Ferguson as his "adviser" and appoint Chris Coleman Martin O'Neill in the summer when he leads Wales Ireland to the Euro 16 title not realising that actually it was Bale Walters who won it all on his own.....

fyp

Adamcp898

Mitch Connor wrote: »

The closer it gets to the next game without anything having happened the more it feels nothing is going to happen.

January is going to be an interesting month, regardless. Do United back LVG for the players he wants (or doesn't want) or do they hold off on handing him more money?

I actually wonder if the 'delay'in sacking LVG is down to Pep.

Ie. We are waiting to see if we can get Pep (to agree to come at the end of the season) and therefor keep LVG in place or Giggs, til then. If Pep says a definite no then we sack LVG now and bring Jose in now.

Yep, nothing will happen at this stage now. And nothing will make us sack him between Stoke and Chelsea no matter what the result of Saturday is.

That first fortnight of January before/after the cup game on the other hand is when anything will be done if it is to happen.

bryangiggsy

Check out @IdMjones's Tweet: https://twitter.com/IdMjones/status/679336628318576640?s=07

TheDoc

I'll ****ing vomit if I see Giggs take the team out again....

Lord TSC

TheDoc wrote: »

I'll ****ing vomit if I see Giggs take the team out again....

Think it will be him or LvG for two games anyway. Think Jose will not manage us vs Chelsea.

Vic Vinegar

TheDoc wrote: »

I'll ****ing vomit if I see Giggs take the team out again....

I wont mind as long its only temporary, all things considered.

Whatsisname

https://twitter.com/addictedtoCFC/status/679325510648901632

jayo26

To what level does giggs have to orove himself to be a united manager?? Just wondering what people that shouting that others down as been idiotic for allowing giggs think is an acceptable qualification?

Look at all the various managers would you give it to Eddie Howe who has played who has done fantastic with bournemouth?? Not ebough experience probably.

Would you give ot to Mark Hughes who has stoke playing lovely football and years of experience?? Not ever won a trophie so probably not.

Would you give it to Benitez then thats wob two european trophies and bags of experience?? Hell no.

What about jose then? He has everything but he comes with tons of baggage so would be a gamble too.

My point is no matter who you bring in its a gamble and giggs would be a massive gamble but its not idiotic to think a club legend could take over a club and galvanize the squad.

jayo26

jayo26 wrote: »

To what level does giggs have to orove himself to be a united manager?? Just wondering what people that shouting that others down as been idiotic for allowing giggs think is an acceptable qualification?

Look at all the various managers would you give it to Eddie Howe who has played who has done fantastic with bournemouth?? Not ebough experience probably.

Would you give ot to Mark Hughes who has stoke playing lovely football and years of experience?? Not ever won a trophie so probably not.

Would you give it to Benitez then thats wob two european trophies and bags of experience?? Hell no.

What about jose then? He has everything but he comes with tons of baggage so would be a gamble too.

My point is no matter who you bring in its a gamble and giggs would be a massive gamble but its not idiotic to think a club legend could take over a club and galvanize the squad.

moral of the story is outside of pep (and probably even then) people will complain regardless.

RobertKK

https://twitter.com/JOEdotie/status/679337901084164096

Van Gaal in Game of Thrones.

TheDoc

Fox Teeny Valedictorian wrote: »

moral of the story is outside of pep (and probably even then) people will complain regardless.

Pep was an edge case, the exception to the rule. I dislike how its some form of standard clubs try to replicate.

Giggs to me constitutes more of a risk then David Moyes ever did. Sorry but his playing career is something totally separate and in isolation. I find no correlation between having a good playing career and being a good manager.

There is countless examples of top players who went on to underwhelming or poor managerial careers. And most of the top managers have never played extensively at the highest level, or had successful playing careers. There is clearly something in that.

The Moldy Gowl

Hahaha that is the only one of those stupid joe.ie things I have actually enjoyed.
Very well done.

TheDoc

TheDoc wrote: »

Pep was an edge case, the exception to the rule. I dislike how its some form of standard clubs try to replicate.

Giggs to me constitutes more of a risk then David Moyes ever did. Sorry but his playing career is something totally separate and in isolation. I find no correlation between having a good playing career and being a good manager.

There is countless examples of top players who went on to underwhelming or poor managerial careers. And most of the top managers have never played extensively at the highest level, or had successful playing careers. There is clearly something in that.

my point is not that the pep model should be followed its that no matter who the manager is people will complain about it

Hococop

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Hahaha that is the only one of those stupid joe.ie things I have actually enjoyed.
Very well done.

some of them are brilliant, the vardy and Jose (Eminem) ones are amazing, got a good laugh off the one of lvg jumping the pool

homerjay2005

TheDoc wrote: »

I'll ****ing vomit if I see Giggs take the team out again....

for one or two games even?

ill take LVG gone if Giggs is only solution for a few days, then Jose in. Giggs for 6 months id have a huge problem with though the club may not have a choice.

K-9

bucketybuck wrote: »

It would actually have nothing to do with actively changing behaviours, instead the drivers of those current behaviours would not be there, or would themselves be different and so result in different results. It would certainly not be the first time that a mercurial talent found an environment that suited their personality and thrived upon it.

The only thing I'd say there was when Jose came back the second time he seemed more relaxed and was the media darling again. Didn't take that long for the real Jose to surface.

As said before, you kind of just have to accept that part of him if you want him to manage United.

TheDoc

homerjay2005 wrote: »

for one or two games even?

ill take LVG gone if Giggs is only solution for a few days, then Jose in. Giggs for 6 months id have a huge problem with though the club may not have a choice.

I'd rather Van Gaal take the two games if I'm honest. This doesn't need to be an experimental audition for Giggs to try impress people by making wholesale changes.

Two important games coming up, Stoke immensely important and we need to start winning to get back on track to not only ensure we try put some security on top 4, but a title challenge still isn't out of the question(imo)

Giggs made a ****ing meal of Sunderland....Sunderland....so god only knows what mess he could create against Stoke and Chelsea.

Can't see the club risking him until the summer, unless they have a concrete no backout agreement with Pep. Giggs at the helm will most likely be ANOTHER missed season of CL in quick succession.

RobertKK

Guardiola managed the Barcelona B team the year before he took over the top job. He didn't just start managing the senior team straight off. Looks like Real Madrid are doing the same type of thing with Zidane.

Giggs has just managed for 4 games, I don't mind him as a temporary manager, but he should be looking to prove himself elsewhere before he is ever considered for the permanent job. He should be looking to manage the under 21s.

Rossi IRL

brinty wrote: »

I must start an oul game of FM over christmas

Started one up myself recently.

Sack all the dutch staff and giggs.

Jaap stam is my asistant manager.

Dropped rooney as captain and made Herrera captain.

Couldnt even sell Young or Valencia for 5 mill.

jayo26

So basically giggs carries too much risk but what manager carries less risk then him? outside of pep what manager would carry less risk that we could go for?

I just curious because i think lvg will be gone soon too but there is no manager out there that id be confident of taking over the team and guiding us in the right direction.

A major thing giggs will have going for himself is that he loves the club if he is as tactically clever as others has said he has a good chance the biggest tging he has to find out is man management skills and he will only get them by been a manager be it with us or anywhere else. But yhh he would be a massive risk.

brinty

God help the players WAGs...
I'd say Giggs might be making some personal calls to them......

TheDoc

jayo26 wrote: »

So basically giggs carries too much risk but what manager carries less risk then him? outside of pep what manager would carry less risk that we could go for?

I just curious because i think lvg will be gone soon too but there is no manager out there that id be confident of taking over the team and guiding us in the right direction.

A major thing giggs will have going for himself is that he loves the club if he is as tactically clever as others has said he has a good chance the biggest tging he has to find out is man management skills and he will only get them by been a manager be it with us or anywhere else. But yhh he would be a massive risk.

Erm, anyone that has managed properly before?

Like, there is pages upon pages about Mourinho. He is clearly less of a risk then Giggs.

For a curveball, for a name I don't see mentioned a lot, although who I like, felt got a bum deal while in England, and has rebuilt himself nicely, is Andre Villas Boas.

I like his character and temperament and when he isn't getting shafted by technical directors he does pretty good work.

I believe he has also signaled his intent to leave Zenit end of season. Could do a lot worse them him. (Granted he is a contraversial figure in terms of maybe people rating his ability)

J. Marston

This is amazing. Don't watch unless you're up to date with Game Of Thrones though...


https://twitter.com/JOE_co_uk/status/679337435214426112?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

syngindub

It will be interesting to see what Giggs decides is best if a new Manager comes in. It will be a bit odd to leave the number 2 in that position.

Your Airbag

bucketybuck wrote: »

Arseholes are everywhere, in my opinion we have a colossal arsehole as our current manager.

Being an arsehole is not enough to rule anybody out of the job so people have to label Mourinho as a poisonous destructive force instead. The reality is not as simple as that.

Whatever about your own personal levels of dislike for LVG this is just uncalled for, and false. LVG is quite a humble and reasonable man, things are not working out right now, he has made some misjudgements but thats the nature of football. Do you think he doesn't want to be a success?

Comments as nasty and plain dumb as that would really put you off this place sometimes.

syngindub

Your Airbag wrote: »

Whatever about your own personal levels of dislike for LVG this is just uncalled for, and false. LVG is quite a humble and reasonable man, things are not working out right now, he has made some misjudgements but thats the nature of football. Do you think he doesn't want to be a success?

Comments as nasty and plain dumb as that would really put you off this place sometimes.

Suppose it comes with the Profile of the Job. He would have known what was coming his way in terms of media and public opinions if it started to go pear shaped.

bucketybuck

Your Airbag wrote: »

Whatever about your own personal levels of dislike for LVG this is just uncalled for, and false. LVG is quite a humble and reasonable man, things are not working out right now, he has made some misjudgements but thats the nature of football. Do you think he doesn't want to be a success?

Comments as nasty and plain dumb as that would really put you off this place sometimes.

There have been similar or even worse said about a certain other manager today and I don't see you riding in to decry those comments, or do you only whiteknight whomever the current United manager is? My post was in response to another poster using the word arsehole, I see you didn't quote that post, why is that?

In my opinion Van Gaal is a bit of arsehole, thats my opinion and I have had it for a long time. Humble? Yeah right, arrogant and dismissive would be more accurate. But its my opinion, I'm sure Van Gaal doesn't care one whit about me having it and so I don't see the need for you to get any vapors up because of it.

Technique

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/458536226434592768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Nunu

TheDoc wrote: »

There is countless examples of top players who went on to underwhelming or poor managerial careers. And most of the top managers have never played extensively at the highest level, or had successful playing careers. There is clearly something in that.

I don't know it's much of a muchness? Plenty of World Class players who were top managers and as you said also plenty of top managers who had unremarkable playing careers.

It's not a pre requisite either way.

Like Ancelotti and Guardiola were exceptional players.

Liam McPoyle

So if it came down to a choice of Jose from 01/01/2016 garaunteed or Giggs til the summer with a potential move for Pep depending how the remainder of the season played out, what would people think?

Personally it would be Jose all the way.

Worst case scenario that i can think of is Giggs gets the job temporarily but the team actually start playing and we get 3rd.

Pep joins City, Jose goes back to Madrid and we are left with our dicks in our hands.

Liam McPoyle

Technique wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SkySportsNewsHQ/status/458536226434592768?ref_src=twsrc^tfw

Marty!!!!!

adox

jayo26 wrote: »

So basically giggs carries too much risk but what manager carries less risk then him? outside of pep what manager would carry less risk that we could go for?

I just curious because i think lvg will be gone soon too but there is no manager out there that id be confident of taking over the team and guiding us in the right direction.

A major thing giggs will have going for himself is that he loves the club if he is as tactically clever as others has said he has a good chance the biggest tging he has to find out is man management skills and he will only get them by been a manager be it with us or anywhere else. But yhh he would be a massive risk.

Are you serious? Who outside of Pep carries less risk than Giggs as next Utd manager? I mean it should be self explanatory.