Palestinian youth fly the Tricolour while stopping the IDF entering their communities

Orangebrigade

end of the road wrote: »

they will get a state. israel will either explode or implode one day. overthrowing the sectarian paracitic orange statelet in NI was indeed a win.

That state still exists unfortunately for you and long may it reign.

I wish good luck to the Jewish people and I am glad they don't give a damn what the reds think of them.

Orangebrigade

Gringo180 wrote: »

Untrue. Jews and Arabs lived in peace side by side in the middle east for centuries. When the Arabs were banished from Spain the Jews left with them, hardly a move from somebody who is hated by Arabs. It was only until the Zionist terror groups in the early 20th century started there terror campaign in Palestine that the Arabs started to revolt against them.

The biggest anti Jew of the lot was the prophet they worship who had more issues than just hating Jews.

Herb Powell

Orangebrigade wrote: »

The biggest anti Jew of the lot was the prophet they worship who had more issues than just hating Jews.

I was unaware Arabs had a prophet who they worship

Orangebrigade

Herb Powell wrote: »

I was unaware Arabs had a prophet who they worship

Yes.

The Jews are a good people, it isn't the Jewish peoples fault that Muslims hate them in that region.

KingBrian2

Orangebrigade wrote: »

Yes.

The Jews are a good people, it isn't the Jewish peoples fault that Muslims hate them in that region.

They have a responsibility to live up to the values of what the state was founded on.

Orangebrigade

KingBrian2 wrote: »

They have a responsibility to live up to the values of what the state was founded on.

I don't blame them after what happened to them during the Holocaust. They have just had enough and now no one can mess with them.

partyguinness

Orangebrigade wrote: »

I don't blame them after what happened to them during the Holocaust. They have just had enough and now no one can mess with them.

They can't keep using the holocaust to give themselves carte blanche to **** all over everyone else. Israel is proped up the US as an ally in Middle East. If Israel keeps going the way it is something will have to give- I don't see Israel making it 100 years.

Gringo180

[Deleted User] wrote: »

And as a people they don't come much more oppressed and brutalised than the Jews.

Which makes it all the more stranger the way they treat the people of Gaza.

Gringo180

Orangebrigade wrote: »

I don't blame them after what happened to them during the Holocaust. They have just had enough and now no one can mess with them.

Thats like saying you wouldnt blame a rape victim of commiting the same crime. Bit of a ****ed up logic.

Zebra3

Orangebrigade wrote: »

I don't blame them after what happened to them during the Holocaust. They have just had enough and now no one can mess with them.

So you support the Zionists' terrorist decades long terrorist attacks on, and their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

end of the road

Zebra3 wrote: »

So you support the Zionists' terrorist decades long terrorist attacks on, and their ethnic cleansing of Palestinians?

in fairness their username gives a clue to their opinions on such matters. says it all.

steddyeddy

jank wrote: »

Grossly inaccurate. Zionism is not about the Jewish religion per say. When the movement was born at the end of the 19th century it was almost an entirely secular movement founded by secular Jews (Theodor Herzl for example was a secular Jew) as a response to European mainstream anti-antisemitism to secular Jews (Dreyfus affair anyone?). It is entirely possible to be a Zionist atheist for example.

Right Jank you don't seem happy with my other rebuttals so I'll expand again. First of all I didn't mention religion. I mentioned a book. I.E the idea that Israel is a Jewish state comes from the bible. So while someone founded it as a secular movement it's a movement that is based upon a religious book and an idea of a homeland for the jews.

DarkyHughes

Orangebrigade wrote: »

That state still exists unfortunately for you and long may it reign.

I wish good luck to the Jewish people and I am glad they don't give a damn what the reds think of them.

These ^ Zionist moles are getting easier to spot

DarkyHughes

Orangebrigade wrote: »

Yes.

The Jews are a good people, it isn't the Jewish peoples fault that Muslims hate them in that region.

They sure are, this one is my favorite Jewish person. Maybe the greatest moral leader of our time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_l1qp6O13aA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGUr5asG6HI

BlaasForRafa

DarkyHughes wrote: »

These ^ Zionist moles are getting easier to spot

So are shinnerbots.

DarkyHughes

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

So are shinnerbots.

So is whataboutery

jank

Zebra3 wrote: »

Irish republicanism was about liberating Ireland from an evil foreign occupation which carried out ethnic cleansing.

Zionism was and still is a colonialist-supremacist ideology which is built on ethnic cleansing. It's a lot closer to national socialism and facism.

Please don't insult our intelligence by comparing the two.

Ah, those evil Brits what did they ever do for us....

As for liberating, well so long as you were not a woman, or a non-catholic perhaps

Anyway, both are and still are nationalistic movements. An uncomfortable irony for many. You can attempt to dress it up in other ways but historical consensus appears to be otherwise
Remember, the Zionists in 1948 agreed to an independent Palestinian State (which the Arabs rejected), so much for the ethnic cleansing and fascism argument.. ROFL

jank

Gringo180 wrote: »

Why do they hate them? You dont wake up one day and decide you hate somebody for no apparent reason??

How do you explain the UN plan for Palestine so, which was passed by the UN general Assembly and the refusal for the Arab world to ratify it

Why did the Nazi's hate the Jews? Surely then by your logic that hate was rational as they must have done 'something' to warrant that hate. You are basically excusing anti-antisemitism as a rational outcome to things Jews did. Which is bordering on anti-Semitic itself may I add.

Interesting mindset all the same if not rather worrying.

meepins

jank wrote: »

Why did the Nazi's hate the Jews?

No reason at all. These highly intelligent, disciplined hard working people just shuffled some names in a hat and happened to draw Jews.

jank

steddyeddy wrote: »

Right Jank you don't seem happy with my other rebuttals so I'll expand again. First of all I didn't mention religion. I mentioned a book. I.E the idea that Israel is a Jewish state comes from the bible. So while someone founded it as a secular movement it's a movement that is based upon a religious book and an idea of a homeland for the jews.

Historically inaccurate again I am afraid.

First of all you mentioned an 'old book' which I presume is the Bible or the Old Testament to be precise. Therefore you did mention religion as you did anyway again in the very post above (see bolded parts), confirming your ill stated, false and inaccurate post that 19th century Zionism was purely based on a religious book.

It was by all accounts a secular nationalist movement, something you do not dispute at its core.

These early Zionists also considered setting up Jewish homelands in Uganda, the Kimberley's in Australia, Tasmania and the Oblast in Russia which actually exists today (Yiddish is its official language!).

The fact that the Jews came from Palestine is also referenced in many other secular non religious books/scrolls/scripts, namely Roman (Tacitus), Egyptian (Frank Yurco) and the Old Greeks (Herodotus). So one does not have to reference the bible at all to find a secular 'reason' to seek a homeland in Palestine. In fact the most vocal opponents of early Zionism were the Rabbis and religious Jews themselves.

This is all historical facts in the public domain.

jank

meepins wrote: »

No reason at all. These highly intelligent, disciplined hard working people just shuffled some names in a hat and happened to draw Jews.

Really? :eek::eek:

I think you need to educate yourself a little more on this topic. The starting place would googling 'The Wannsee Conference' and going back in history to Mein Kampf and Hitlers views on Jews nevermind their percieved role in the Versialle Treaty and then stepping back and looking at anti-semitism in Europe for the guts of 1000 years.


As an aside, I am kinda saddened by the lack of basic historical knowledge in posts here on quite basic facts surrounding Jews and their history. Shows how much ideaology can triumph reason and facts. Flat earthers' syndrome comes to mind.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

How do you explain the UN plan for Palestine so, which was passed by the UN general Assembly and the refusal for the Arab world to ratify it

Why did the Nazi's hate the Jews? Surely then by your logic that hate was rational as they must have done 'something' to warrant that hate. You are basically excusing anti-antisemitism as a rational outcome to things Jews did. Which is bordering on anti-Semitic itself may I add.

Interesting mindset all the same if not rather worrying.

Intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort there. You know exactly what he refers to.

jank

Nodin wrote: »

Intellectual dishonesty of the worst sort there. You know exactly what he refers to.

Well you also thanked his post which seems to support his point of view.
Perhaps you did not think it through?

Yet you seem to validate that its OK to hate the Jews because they did 'something' right? One does not wake up one morning with hate, therefore the blame must like with Israel and the Jews.. that is the logic here.

Like the Nazi's didn't wake up one morning and become anti-Semites, right? Therefore they must have had a 'valid and rational' reason to hate them e.g. The knife in the back regards the Versailles treaty, they blamed the Jews for this i.e. its their fault and we a rational and logical right to hate them, just like many people having the same views across the Arab world towards Jews. Thus you are apologizing for hate against the Jews, spearheaded by the likes of Hamas and their fellow terrorists.

Orangebrigade

DarkyHughes wrote: »

These ^ Zionist moles are getting easier to spot

I make no apology for supporting the Jewish people against Muslim oppression inflicted upon them for hundreds of years backed up by the Prophet Muhammad.

Irish Republicans can support who they want, so can I.

Orangebrigade

partyguinness wrote: »

They can't keep using the holocaust to give themselves carte blanche to **** all over everyone else. Israel is proped up the US as an ally in Middle East. If Israel keeps going the way it is something will have to give- I don't see Israel making it 100 years.

They aren't, just Muslims in that area who hate Jews and want to annihilate the Jewish state of Israel.

Although they are doing a bad job of that.

Nodin

jank wrote: »

Well you also thanked his post which seems to support his point of view.
Perhaps you did not think it through?

.

No, I thought it through, because I took it in its proper context. Also I felt no need to distort what somebody was saying in order to put them alongside the Nazis in a snide and intellectually dishonest manner, which may have helped.

Gringo180

jank wrote: »

How do you explain the UN plan for Palestine so, which was passed by the UN general Assembly and the refusal for the Arab world to ratify it

Why did the Nazi's hate the Jews? Surely then by your logic that hate was rational as they must have done 'something' to warrant that hate. You are basically excusing anti-antisemitism as a rational outcome to things Jews did. Which is bordering on anti-Semitic itself may I add.

Interesting mindset all the same if not rather worrying.

No, there hate was totally irrational and abhorrent as the Jewish population in Europe did nothing to warrant the suffering they went through under Nazi rule ( a bit like the Arabs at the hands of the Zionist terror gangs in Palestine), if anything its the Israeli state that are carrying on like the modern day Nazi's in the world, there occupying there neighbours land just like the Nazi's did, slaughtering innocent civilians in the process, quite a worrying similarity don't you think?

Its this suffering that Jewish people went through that makes it all the more disgusting the way the treat the people of Gaza.

Gringo180

jank wrote: »

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Like the Nazi's didn't wake up one morning and become anti-Semites, right? Therefore they must have had a 'valid and rational' reason to hate them e.g. The knife in the back regards the Versailles treaty, they blamed the Jews for this i.e. its their fault and we a rational and logical right to hate them, .

All the more worrying that a future Israeli PM would try and collaborate with Hitler in the 1940's. Not only Hitler but with the fascist Mussolini.

R P McMurphy

jank wrote: »

Well you also thanked his post which seems to support his point of view.
Perhaps you did not think it through?

Yet you seem to validate that its OK to hate the Jews because they did 'something' right? One does not wake up one morning with hate, therefore the blame must like with Israel and the Jews.. that is the logic here.

Like the Nazi's didn't wake up one morning and become anti-Semites, right? Therefore they must have had a 'valid and rational' reason to hate them e.g. The knife in the back regards the Versailles treaty, they blamed the Jews for this i.e. its their fault and we a rational and logical right to hate them, just like many people having the same views across the Arab world towards Jews. Thus you are apologizing for hate against the Jews, spearheaded by the likes of Hamas and their fellow terrorists.

You are desperately trying to paint posters as anti-semetic but are failing miserably due to the fact that there are no anti-semetic sentiments expressed by anyone on this thread. Is the oldest trick in the Zionist handbook and also the most transparent. When faced with the cold ugly facts regarding the horrific ongoing process of colonisation and subjugation of the Palestinian people just try to paint any dissent as anti-semetic or pro Nazi. Is a worse debating tactic than shouting baby killers at pro choice people in debate. It stifles any objective analysis and this is the real reason for using it as a tactic, as what has happened and continues to happen to Palestinians is abhorrent and indefensible

Zebra3

jank wrote: »

Ah, those evil Brits what did they ever do for us....

As for liberating, well so long as you were not a woman, or a non-catholic perhaps

Anyway, both are and still are nationalistic movements. An uncomfortable irony for many. You can attempt to dress it up in other ways but historical consensus appears to be otherwise
Remember, the Zionists in 1948 agreed to an independent Palestinian State (which the Arabs rejected), so much for the ethnic cleansing and fascism argument.. ROFL

Are you denying that Britain carried out terrible crimes in Ireland?

Are you denying that Zionism is about colonialism and racism? (We have the right to steal their land).

Why should the Palestinians in 1948 have handed over 55% or so of their country to European invaders?

Are you denying the ethnic cleansing carried out by Zionists and how it matches up with a lot of the ideals of national socialism?

Rogue states, joined at the hip.
http://www.timesofisrael.com/israel-only-country-at-un-to-join-us-in-supporting-cuba-embargo/

whatstherush

There were two interesting Op Eds in the Washington Post in the last week, one from a former Israeli soldier and the other from American Jewish Zionists, both calling for an end to the occupation.

Israel used to be considered the third rail of American politics but to see these pieces published in a major US paper such as the WashPo I think times are a changing.

Also interesting to rank the comments by most likes, if seems as though US public opinion is changing to.

This line from the first article sums it up for me

No matter how many soldiers we put in the West Bank, or how many houses of terrorists we blow up, or how many stone-throwers we arrest, we don’t have any sense of security; meanwhile, we have become diplomatically isolated, perceived around the world (sometimes correctly) as executioners, liars, racists. As long as the occupation lasts, we are the more powerful side, so we call the shots, and we cannot go on blaming others.

Zebra3

I'd advise the Zionist shills to watch the Gatekeepers.

Even the former leaders of Israel's secret police call for an end to the occupation.

Orangebrigade

Zebra3 wrote: »

I'd advise the Zionist shills to watch the Gatekeepers.

Even the former leaders of Israel's secret police call for an end to the occupation.

The Israeli sons only dream about putting on that knapsack and going to the firing line to kill those damn Palestinian soldiers. They certainly aren't going to just let Muhammads soldiers walk all over them.

R P McMurphy

R P McMurphy wrote: »

You are desperately trying to paint posters as anti-semetic but are failing miserably due to the fact that there are no anti-semetic sentiments expressed by anyone on this thread. Is the oldest trick in the Zionist handbook and also the most transparent. When faced with the cold ugly facts regarding the horrific ongoing process of colonisation and subjugation of the Palestinian people just try to paint any dissent as anti-semetic or pro Nazi. Is a worse debating tactic than shouting baby killers at pro choice people in debate. It stifles any objective analysis and this is the real reason for using it as a tactic, as what has happened and continues to happen to Palestinians is abhorrent and indefensible

Are you trying to be ironic or is it an accident?

That works just as well the other way around. The oldest trick in the anti Semites handbook is to play that very card, shriek that the claim of anti Semitism is a standard ploy or tactic and that way avoid actually considering whether it is validly used or not in a particular instance. Then fire in a load of other stuff, you have introduced abortion for some bizarre reason, and hey presto any chance of examining the claim in a rational manner is gone and the waters are too muddied.

Zebra3

https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/blogs/politics/21932-five-videos-israel-doesnt-want-you-to-see

Remember Israel's army is the most moral in the world?

There to keep the peace in the occupied West Bank? Impartial and all?

Videoes 3 and 5 are probably the two I'd prioritise to watch the most.

DarkyHughes

When the IRA blew up up Bishopsgate with a 3000 lb bomb costing the British £1.2 billion & put foreign investment into the city of London at risk or when they fired a rocket into 10 Downing street did they the British government bombarded the civilian populations of South Armagh or North Monaghan with state of the art weaponry & chemical weapons for over a month? No.

As much as I despised the British Army being on Irish soil they fought a against an instruction correctly although they did bend & sometimes break the rules they fought with small undercover units. And as much as Loughgall (RIP) & Clonoe (RIP) pained me it was the correct way to fight against an insurgency & it eventually lead to a peace agreement.

I dread to think of the IDF response if Hamas fired a rocket at building the Israeli government was in.

Orangebrigade

DarkyHughes wrote: »

When the IRA blew up up Bishopsgate with a 3000 lb bomb costing the British £1.2 billion & put foreign investment into the city of London at risk or when they fired a rocket into 10 Downing street did they the British government bombarded the civilian populations of South Armagh or North Monaghan with state of the art weaponry & chemical weapons for over a month? No.

As much as I despised the British Army being on Irish soil they fought a against an instruction correctly although they did bend & sometimes break the rules they fought with small undercover units. And as much as Loughgall (RIP) & Clonoe (RIP) pained me it was the correct way to fight against an insurgency & it eventually lead to a peace agreement.

I dread to think of the IDF response if Hamas fired a rocket at building the Israeli government was in.

Don't forget Gibraltar either. Another example of when the IRA got its ass handed to them by the famous SAS.

Iwasfrozen

steddyeddy wrote: »

No it's not. Genetic studies tell us that Palestinians and Jews share a common homeland and are more or less the same peoples.

It's a bit like the Tutsis and the hutus of Rwanda. Basically they're the same tribe but somewhere along the line (Belgian colonialism) they were given the idea that they were different.

I wasn't talking about genetics. That's why I said Arab.

Gringo180

Orangebrigade wrote: »

Don't forget Gibraltar either. Another example of when the IRA got its ass handed to them by the famous SAS.

You do know that the Zionist thugs you defend have also massacred scores of British service men on there way to setting up there settler state. It always amuses me when you see the Israeli flags been flown oh so proud by loyalists up north :pac:

Mesrine65

Orangebrigade wrote: »

Don't forget Gibraltar either. Another example of when the IRA got its ass handed to them by the famous SAS.

Remember Captain Robert Laurence Nairac of 14 Int?

They didn't even find his ass to hand back!

DarkyHughes

DarkyHughes wrote: »

When the IRA blew up up Bishopsgate with a 3000 lb bomb costing the British £1.2 billion & put foreign investment into the city of London at risk or when they fired a rocket into 10 Downing street did they the British government bombarded the civilian populations of South Armagh or North Monaghan with state of the art weaponry & chemical weapons for over a month? No.

As much as I despised the British Army being on Irish soil they fought a against an instruction correctly although they did bend & sometimes break the rules they fought with small undercover units. And as much as Loughgall (RIP) & Clonoe (RIP) pained me it was the correct way to fight against an insurgency & it eventually lead to a peace agreement.

I dread to think of the IDF response if Hamas fired a rocket at building the Israeli government was in.

Maybe if the IRA had fired over 11,000 rockets at Britain, as have been fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip, the analogy would be better?

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

Maybe if the IRA had fired over 11,000 rockets at Britain, as have been fired at Israel from the Gaza Strip, the analogy would be better?

You'll find that the IRA action and result ratio was far far closer than with the Palestinians, for a number of reasons.

Might I ask why do you try to justify the actions of the IDF? Because that seems to be what you are doing.

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

You'll find that the IRA action and result ratio was far far closer than with the Palestinians, for a number of reasons.

Might I ask why do you try to justify the actions of the IDF? Because that seems to be what you are doing.

When?

Where?

By reciting that 11,000 rockets were fired from Gaza (incidentally, how many were fired at the UK by the IRA if you say they were similar)?

Surely if it's a fact it's a fact?

LordSutch

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Remember Captain Robert Laurence Nairac of 14 Int?

They didn't even find his ass to hand back!

Very reminisent of an ISIS murder/disappearance.

The Provo's were animals, shame on anyone who supported them.

Nodin

Deleted User wrote: »

When?

Where?

In that last post, you seemed to be comparing the Israeli response to the British by citing the number of rockets fired, and implying that both were proportional. The truth is that no Israeli action has justification while they act as aggressors in the OT and elsewhere.

The fact is that the initial British response was far more brutal than exhibited in the latter stages of the conflict, and was far more in line with what was used traditionally in Africa, Asia and the rest.

Nodin

LordSutch wrote: »

Very reminisent of an ISIS murder/disappearance.
.

No resemblance whatsoever. You seem somewhat perturbed about the fate of a combatant and possible colluder with loyalist paramilitaries.

LordSutch

Nodin wrote: »

No resemblance whatsoever. You seem somewhat perturbed about the fate of a combatant and possible colluder with loyalist paramilitaries.

Just commenting on the gloating in post No292 as displayed by 'Mesrine65' and thanked by you (as a long standing fan of the Provo's) and their deeds.

Nodin

Nodin wrote: »

In that last post, you seemed to be comparing the Israeli response to the British by citing the number of rockets fired, and implying that both were proportional. The truth is that no Israeli action has justification while they act as aggressors in the OT and elsewhere.

The fact is that the initial British response was far more brutal than exhibited in the latter stages of the conflict, and was far more in line with what was used traditionally in Africa, Asia and the rest.

No no, I was responding to a poster who compared the two. Or more accurately contrasted the two.

I quoted the post in my response. I was merely pointing out that it was a ridiculous comparison, and citing one stat to show why it just didn't hold water.

steddyeddy

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

I wasn't talking about genetics. That's why I said Arab.

You also misused the term Arab.

Mesrine65

LordSutch wrote: »

Very reminisent of an ISIS murder/disappearance.

The Provo's were animals, shame on anyone who supported them.

Ever hear tell of The Shankill Butchers Lord Sutch?

Let me refresh your memory sir & for those who may not be so familiar...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shankill_Butchers

I think we can both agree...there were animals (sic), on both sides of our tragic conflict?!