German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

walshyn93

Spurdo wrote: »

Millions of Irish people have also emigrated to flee poverty/war ect. wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Emigration
Most of these refugees want to find work. And many are actually qualify doctors, nurses ect.
Whites have stolen native american, African homelands for hundreds of years.

Muslims have stolen African homelands for hundreds of years also, the only difference is they never gave them back. Egypt was not always Arabic, nor was the rest of northern africa. Northern Africa was conquered by Arabs.

And when Greeks, Romans and later colonialists conquered far flung territories in Africa they didn't set about replacing the population through genocide and ethnic cleansing. They just had it governed by a small military elite.

Billy86

walshyn93 wrote: »

Muslims have stolen African homelands for hundreds of years also, the only difference is they never gave them back. Egypt was not always Arabic, nor was the rest of northern africa. Northern Africa was conquered by Arabs.

Erm... what about Christian countries in Africa?

nokia69

Spurdo wrote: »

When was the last muslim terrorist attack on Ireland? We have 65,000 muslims living here and not one terrorist attack.

but a number of "Irish" muslims have left to join ISIS so who knows when we will see a muslim terrorist attack in Ireland

walshyn93

Billy86 wrote: »

Erm... what about Christian countries in Africa?

What about them? They were annexed, and then of their own accord the vatican sent missionaries to convert the locals. They didn't go out to replace the local population with whites. My point is that you won't see many people of ancient egyptian descent in Egypt today because they were more or less wiped out by the Arab invasion in the 15th century.

I don't even care about all that, it's ancient history, I was just countering Spurdo's ridiculous point implicating "whites" in every bad thing that's ever happened.

Spurdo

nokia69 wrote: »

but a number of "Irish" muslims have left to join ISIS so who knows when we will see a muslim terrorist attack in Ireland

Who knows.[b/]
Wow thats the best argument you can come up with. Deport hundreds of thousands of tax paying people because of probability. We have never had a terrorist attack by muslims in Ireland. We have had plenty by Catholics. Maybe we should deport them.

nokia69

Billy86 wrote: »

Erm... what about Christian countries in Africa?

plenty of them have very serious problems with their muslim neighbours or Islamist citizens

Nigeria, South Sudan, Central African Republic

Isaiah

Isaiah wrote: »

This aging population lark being bandied about is really irksome. So civilisations that have been around for thousands of years are suddenly gonna cease to exist when the next batch of people gets old unless we import millions of Islamists???

More Neo-Liberal codswallop!

Spain has 25% youth unemployment. There is your answer Germany, give them free houses and let the young Spaniards pay your pensions.

Spurdo wrote: »

When was the last muslim terrorist attack on Ireland? We have 65,000 muslims living here and not one terrorist attack.

What's that got to do with anything I said? When did I mention terrorism?
Care to respond to my post which you quoted?

walshyn93

Spurdo wrote: »

Who knows.[b/]
Wow thats the best argument you can come up with. Deport hundreds of thousands of tax paying people because of probability. We have never had a terrorist attack by muslims in Ireland. We have had plenty by Catholics. Maybe we should deport them.

I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested deporting people who have already settled here. I think people have suggested sending home some asylum seekers. These people would include the EU itself (http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/0/906c1254-6dac-11e5-8171-ba1968cf791a.html?siteedition=intl#axzz3p8gnPClO)

nokia69

Spurdo wrote: »

Who knows.[b/]
Wow thats the best argument you can come up with. Deport hundreds of thousands of tax paying people because of probability. We have never had a terrorist attack by muslims in Ireland. We have had plenty by Catholics. Maybe we should deport them.

when did I say anyone should be deported from Ireland

you asked when was the last muslim attack on Ireland

I just pointed out that some "Irish" islamists are fighting for ISIS, who knows what they might do when or if they return

we allow Saudi Arabia to built and control mosques all around Europe so its no surprise that we have a serious growing problem

Spurdo

Isaiah wrote: »

What's that got to do with anything I said? When did I mention terrorism?
Care to respond to my post which you quoted?

Sorry quote you by mistake.

walshyn93 wrote: »

I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested deporting people who have already settled here. I think people have suggested sending home some asylum seekers. These people would include the EU itself

Deport them for what? We will be sending them to their deaths.

Spurdo

Also I will add alot of these wars were created by white nations by arming and training rebels and invading Iraq for oil.

Martial9

Spurdo wrote: »

Who knows.[b/]
Wow thats the best argument you can come up with. Deport hundreds of thousands of tax paying people because of probability. We have never had a terrorist attack by muslims in Ireland. We have had plenty by Catholics. Maybe we should deport them.

Yes, we should deport the native people of Ireland to make way for a load of refugees. You claimed that these people are highly skilled. This is untrue.

The qualification structure of immigrants from the crisis-afflicted states of Syria, Iraq, Nigeria and Afghanistan is probably poor. According to data from the World Bank, the illiteracy rate even among the 14-24 year old age group is 4 percent, 18 percent, 34 percent and 53 percent in these countries respectively. Even in the most developed of these countries (Syria) only 6 percent of the population has a university degree, which is not equivalent to a German diploma in many cases. Although refugees tend to be male and younger than the demographic average age, one thing is still clear: they are poorly prepared for the German labour market. In addition to language courses, Germany will also need to invest in training, which will generate extra costs.

http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2015/09/22915-germanys-ifo-refugees-to-cost-ten.html

Germany is truly in trouble. With hundred of thousands coming and possible a couple million, the vast majority of them needing to learn German and then needing to get some sort of diploma. You do not speak German and you do not have a skill, then you will not find work. Then putting hundred of thousands through school, accounting for the fact that no diploma, no work and that German's education infrastructure is already one of the busiest in the world - unless Germany can pop schools and universities out of the ground, there is no point in even hoping that they will be able to educate that many people quickly.


It means that Germany, despite all its good will and their initial big welcome, won't be able to bring such a great number of people up to speed quickly enough and that for a large part of them, what awaits them is a life of poverty or living on welfare in one of the most expensive societies in Europe.They came with big dreams and expected to be very well accommodated. Those dreams and expectations are being dashed very rapidly. Especially if you're one of the refugees currently living in a tent in Germany. Life would have been better in Turkey.

What happens next? Anyone thinking their brain and not an ideological prism can figure that one out.

A lot want to go to Canada now.

Just days after Canada elected a new prime minister, word of his plans to take in more Syrian refugees had already reached about 40 Syrians frustrated at being sheltered in a Hamburg gymnasium.


"How many are they taking?" one of them asked, pulling at his donated jacket against the rain. "Would Canada take us?"


Not likely. The 25,000 Justin Trudeau has promised to bring to Canada by the end of the year will likely come directly from the Middle East. These would be documented refugees already registered with the UN, and not from among those now on European soil.


The number Canada is willing to take in pales before the many tens of thousands of Syrians that Germany is already sheltering and the tens of thousands more still making their way here, even as temperatures plummet.


Still, for these nearly 200 Syrian and other asylum seekers stranded here for over a month, in what was supposed to be emergency, temporary housing, the remote possibility of a solution, even in far-off North America, is enough to elicit serious expressions of interest.


Because for them and many others who are now in Germany desperate to start new lives, the forward momentum of a what had been a perilous but successful journey has now come to a full, frustrating stop.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/syria-refugees-germany-canada-1.3286239


Canada won't take them, of course, and will rightfully only take them from the refugee camps. And there are many, many more on their way to Germany. The fun and games will really begin when they realise that the German utopia they are expecting is very different from the reality.


Here are the migrants today passing through Slovenia on their way to Germany - https://timedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2015/10/migrants1.jpg

Isaiah

Spurdo wrote: »

Sorry quote you by mistake.

walshyn93 wrote: »

I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested deporting people who have already settled here. I think people have suggested sending home some asylum seekers. These people would include the EU itself

Deport them for what? We will be sending them to their deaths.

Fair enough. I think you are basing your arguements on some liberal Ideology rathar than the facts and I suggest that you perhaps have a good think about what people are saying instead of just fighting the liberal cause for the sake of it and to hell with facts.

walshyn93

Spurdo wrote: »

Sorry quote you by mistake.

walshyn93 wrote: »

I don't think anyone on this thread has suggested deporting people who have already settled here. I think people have suggested sending home some asylum seekers. These people would include the EU itself

Deport them for what? We will be sending them to their deaths.

Not every part of Syria is held by ISIS. In fact ISIS only hold and operate in small patches of Iraq and Syria. There are dozens of cities they could be sent to where they would be perfectly safe. There are currently 22 million people in Syria. 99% of those are not going to be killed by ISIS. To date 150,000 are estimated to have been killed in Iraq and Syria by ISIS; this represents less than .3 of a percent of the combined populations. Many of these people were killed as part of acts of genocide, which is something that the vast majority of refugees don't have to fear because of their ethnic or religious identity.

The scale of the refugee crisis is way out of proportion to the scale of the war going on.

I think Europe should only be accepting people who are at risk in their home country because of their ethnicity or religion. Not people who are exposed to the same risks as all other 23 million inhabitants of Syria.

oceanid

Spurdo wrote: »

Millions of Irish people have also emigrated to flee poverty/war ect. wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland)#Emigration
Most of these refugees want to find work. And many are actually qualify doctors, nurses ect.

You are not comparing like with like. Irish people emigrating in the middle of the 19th century was not that unusual as many other nationalities were moving to America at that time as well, including from other European countries.

Whites have stolen native american, African homelands for hundreds of years.

So now you're saying what - it's about revenge for the past?

Spurdo

Martial9 wrote: »

Yes, we should deport the native people of Ireland to make way for a load of refugees. [/url]

Germany needs immigrants
Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study
bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962.

Spurdo

oceanid wrote: »

You are not comparing like with like. Irish people emigrating in the middle of the 19th century was not that unusual as many other nationalities were moving to America at that time as well, including from other European countries.

So now you're saying what - it's about revenge for the past?

Hypocrisy

Isaiah

Spurdo wrote: »

Also I will add alot of these wars were created by white nations by arming and training rebels and invading Iraq for oil.

White Nations? So therefore all white people are guilty by association? You know what judging people by their skin colour is called don't you?

This is the kind of backwards thinking that has the EU in this refugee mess. Instead of clear heads and rational solutions we get blurry concepts of great white guilt and vague ideas about social justice.

Billy86

walshyn93 wrote: »

What about them? They were annexed, and then of their own accord the vatican sent missionaries to convert the locals. They didn't go out to replace the local population with whites. My point is that you won't see many people of ancient egyptian descent in Egypt today because they were more or less wiped out by the Arab invasion in the 15th century.

I don't even care about all that, it's ancient history, I was just countering Spurdo's ridiculous point implicating "whites" in every bad thing that's ever happened.

Egypt is 98% ethnic Egyptian actually.

walshyn93

Spurdo wrote: »

Also I will add alot of these wars were created by white nations by arming and training rebels and invading Iraq for oil.

You won't find any disagreements here. But what's with your fixation on white people? Saudi Arabia is the biggest state sponsor of islamic terrorism.

Martial9

Spurdo wrote: »

Germany needs immigrants
Germany passes Japan to have world's lowest birth rate - study
bbc.com/news/world-europe-32929962.

It needs skilled immigrants alright and it is relatively easy to move to Germany if you do possess a skill. Especially as a STEM grad. They are not getting many skilled immigrants here with this influx and it will prove to be extremely costly to them. Both economically and socially.

Yearly cost estimated at €45 billion

Experts from the Kiel Institute for Global Economics (IfW) estimate that the annual costs for supporting refugees will be around €45 billion.
Matthias Lücke of the IfW said at a conference in Kiel on Wednesday that this meant that tax increases were likely in the medium term.

http://www.thelocal.de/20151015/cdu-base-turns-on-merkel-over-refugees

Martial9

Billy86 wrote: »

Erm... what about Christian countries in Africa?

They tend to be shytholes too. As do most countries with an extremely religious populace.

walshyn93

Billy86 wrote: »

Egypt is 98% ethnic Egyptian actually.

In self-reported studies. Genetic studies tell a completely different story.

Spurdo

walshyn93 wrote: »

You won't find any disagreements here. But what's with your fixation on white people? Saudi Arabia is the biggest state sponsor of islamic terrorism.

The CIA is the biggest contributor to it. I have nothing against white people just hypocritical white fascists and racists. I am white.

Billy86

nokia69 wrote: »

plenty of them have very serious problems with their muslim neighbours or Islamist citizens

Nigeria, South Sudan, Central African Republic

And vice verse. Let's not forget the Lords Resistance Army, a Christian fundamentalist terrorist group that killed what is estimated to be well over 100,000 African Muslims and non-Christians alone, before even mentioning those they have brutally maimed (don't put it into Google images!). Of course they're not Muslim, so most here probably haven't even heard of them.

jank

iguana wrote: »

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Still waiting for these 'facts'.

Isaiah

Billy86 wrote: »

And vice verse. Let's not forget the Lords Resistance Army, a Christian fundamentalist terrorist group that killed what is estimated to be well over 100,000 African Muslims and non-Christians alone, before even mentioning those they have brutally maimed (don't put it into Google images!). Of course they're not Muslim, so most here probably haven't even heard of them.

They are not Christian either. Just hijacked the name.

People cannot kill and be considered Christian as they are instructed to A: not kill, and B: Love thy neighbour as thyself.

On the other hand Islamists can kill and be Muslim, in fact they are encouraged to do so by the koran.

nokia69

Martial9 wrote: »

It needs skilled immigrants alright and it is relatively easy to move to Germany if you do possess a skill. Especially as a STEM grad. They are not getting many skilled immigrants here with this influx and it will prove to be extremely costly to them. Both economically and socially.
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I have a friend who has a bit of a conspiracy theory, he thinks the Germans will process the Syrians and keep the best educated of which there are plenty, but they will then send the rest with lower skills to the rest of Europe, apparently about 20% of Syrians can't even read their own language

Billy86

walshyn93 wrote: »

In self-reported studies. Genetic studies tell a completely different story.

If that's the case, barely anywhere in the world has can claim to still have it's original genetic/ethnic code.

nokia69

Isaiah wrote: »

They are not Christian either. Just hijacked the name.

People cannot kill and be considered Christian as they are instructed to A: not kill, and B: Love thy neighbour as thyself.

On the other hand Islamists can kill and be Muslim, in fact they are encouraged to do so by the koran.

his next post will be about the westboro baptist church

Spurdo

Isaiah wrote: »

They are not Christian either. Just hijacked the name.

People cannot kill and be considered Christian as they are instructed to A: not kill, and B: Love thy neighbour as thyself.

On the other hand Islamists can kill and be Muslim, in fact they are encouraged to do so by the koran.

lol.
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

freethoughtnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/hitler-on-christianity.jpg

Martial9

nokia69 wrote: »

I have a friend who has a bit of a conspiracy theory, he thinks the Germans will process the Syrians and keep the best educated of which there are plenty, but they will then send the rest with lower skills to the rest of Europe, apparently about 20% of Syrians can't even read their own language

Only 6% of the Syrian population has a university degree. I do not know where this myth that they are extremely well educated came from. It was even repeated by some head the ball in this thread.

It is completely untrue.

Billy86

Isaiah wrote: »

They are not Christian either. Just hijacked the name.

Christians cannot kill and be Christian as they are instructed to A: not kill, and B: Love thy neighbour as thyself.

On the other hand Islamists can kill and be Muslim, in fact they are encouraged to do so by the koran.

Given the history of war and killing through the centuries, that means by your reckoning Christianity has more or less never existed in human history.

Isaiah

Spurdo wrote: »

lol.
Do not suppose that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I did not come to bring peace, but a sword.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Crusades

freethoughtnation.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/hitler-on-christianity.jpg

Thats not a commandment for Christians to follow, but a quote without a context.

Crusades were also un-Christian. Hitler was into esotheric psudeohistory (ie atlantis) and not a Christian by definition.

Billy86

jank wrote: »

Still waiting for these 'facts'.

I took a quick Google and found this - http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/sep/12/saudi-arabia-says-reports-of-its-syrian-refugee-response-false-and-misleading

But then again as best I can see it is only Saudi giving their word, and they are one of the very last countries in the whole world I would take on their world alone. I would definitely like to see some proof on their end, or at least other, more reputable, nations backing them up before buying into that.

Spurdo

Isaiah wrote: »

Thats not a commandment for Christians to follow, but a quote without a context.

Crusades were also un-Christian. Hitler was into esotheric psudeohistory (ie atlantis) and not a Christian by definition.

The fact that you believe in an invisible skyfairy says all there is to say really.

Isaiah

Billy86 wrote: »

Given the history of war and killing through the centuries, that means by your reckoning Christianity has more or less never existed in human history.

This is very true, by the Bibles own standard there are very few Christians in comparison to the amount of people claiming to be Christians.

The Catholic church was and is far far removed from the ideology Jesus preached.

Isaiah

Spurdo wrote: »

The fact that you believe in an invisible skyfairy says all there is to say really.

I don't actually. I believe in the teachings of a man who scholars agree lived and preached 2000 years ago.

nokia69

Martial9 wrote: »

Only 6% of the Syrian population has a university degree. I do not know where this myth that they are extremely well educated came from. It was even repeated by some head the ball in this thread.

It is completely untrue.

its NOT my theory, and I don't claim that they are all well educated, I would assume they have a worse education system than the European average, but like any country they have their cognitive elite, and thats who my friend thinks the Germans will keep

time will tell

IMO the Germans are making it up as they go along, a perfect example of intelligent people doing something very stupid

Spurdo

Isaiah wrote: »

I don't actually.

My mistake so both religions have their extremists but 99.99 percent are normal people. The only argument that people use against muslims is they will impose sharia and blow up everything. Moderate muslims are normal people.

Isaiah

Billy86 wrote: »

Like pretty much all religions, almost all of Christianity's history is deeply rooted in violence.

I agree. Man will kill each other in the name of many things, and claim divine mandate where they can get it.

Nevertheless a person who kills another and claims it was for Christ is not exactly in line with Christs teachings.

Mohammed however...

Letree

The Polish have voted an anti immigration party in. They aren't gonna follow the German open borders route thats for sure. http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/25/poland-lurches-to-right-with-election-of-law-and-justice-party?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Isaiah

Spurdo wrote: »

Moderate muslims are normal people.

Yes they are, and they do exist. But are being forced out by a modern wave of barbaric Islam being backed by the likes of the Saudis.

You know where the moderate Mulsims come from ? Assad controlled areas of Syria. The ones we are fighting against!. The Saudis and Pakistani brand of Islam is the one we are importing, that's not moderate.

walshyn93

Billy86 wrote: »

If that's the case, barely anywhere in the world has can claim to still have it's original genetic/ethnic code.

Britain has remained relatively static from the influx of Germanic peoples up to the 20th century due to its geography. Even the Roman Conquest had no significant impact on Britain's geneology. Egypt is out on its own because it was the crossroads of the world for centuries. The only point I was trying to make is that Spurdo is wrong to blame white people for everything as if no other group of people ever enslaved or conquered.

walshyn93

Spurdo wrote: »

Moderate muslims are normal people.

Is there a 70% chance of a moderate muslim voting Yes to gay marriage? Is there even a 5% chance?

Billy86

Isaiah wrote: »

This is very true, by the Bibles own standard there are very few Christians in comparison to the amount of people claiming to be Christians.

The Catholic church was and is far far removed from the ideology Jesus preached.

While I see what you mean there, what about Sodom & Gamorrah in Genesis?

"24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived."

I mean, that's the supposed Big Fella himself.

TheLastMohican

In the early 40s lots of French villages invited (at the point of a gun) lots of goose-stepping Krauts .......... a case of history repeating itself?

Billy86

walshyn93 wrote: »

Is there a 70% chance of a moderate muslim voting Yes to gay marriage?

I dated two moderate Muslim (one from Libya, one Bosnia) women who I keep in touch with that voted yes, as did all of their families. I also know a few Muslim people who did likewise, and a small minority of older ones who voted no or 'did not want to say'.

TheLastMohican

walshyn93 wrote: »

Is there a 70% chance of a moderate muslim voting Yes to gay marriage? Is there even a 5% chance?

If he's over 50% out of the closet ........ then, yes.

walshyn93

Billy86 wrote: »

While I see what you mean there, what about Sodom & Gamorrah in Genesis?

"24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt.

27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace.

29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived."

I mean, that's the supposed Big Fella himself.

I'm an atheist, but one thing I'll say in favour of Christianity is that it has a New Testament that for most people supersedes the previous one.

Islam on the other hand calls itself the final word of god. Meaning there can be no alteration. Nothing can replace the passages of the Quran commanding people to kill, whereas the New Testament replaced a lot of fire and brimstone with a lot of peace and love.