Events Centre

namloc1980

zetalambda wrote: »

They should approach Peter Aiken about running the event centre if the issue here is live nation.

Aiken don't operate venues as far as I know. They promote concerts. They do festival type events like the Marquee and Electric Picnic alright but it's a big step up to running a permanent venue.

xabi

The Chief Executive of BAM speaks - https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bam-cork-events-centre-will-go-ahead-439414.html

flo8s967qjh0nd

xabi wrote: »

The Chief Executive of BAM speaks - https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/bam-cork-events-centre-will-go-ahead-439414.html

Hush everyone, let us all bask in his wisdom.

Oh, that's right he doesn't have a clue when this will start.

mire

Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »

Hush everyone, let us all bask in his wisdom.

Oh, that's right he doesn't have a clue when this will start.

That is right, he does not. However, I still suspect it will happen; clearly, they are angling for more state subvention.

Meursault

Its a positive update at least. I assume this is all part of the negotiation with the planning application for extra appartments but at least its a statement from BAM that they are committed to the Event Centre. 

The elephant in the room is Live Nation. From what I can see, all other parties involved want this to happen.

P.lane78

Meursault wrote: »

Its a positive update at least. I assume this is all part of the negotiation with the planning application for extra appartments but at least its a statement from BAM that they are committed to the Event Centre. 

The elephant in the room is Live Nation. From what I can see, all other parties involved want this to happen.

As clear as mud ....Still lots of maybes !!

D'Agger

The positive I'm taking from this is - at least the chap is sticking his neck out there & stating that they've already invested some substantial funds into this & plan on seeing it through.

While I know it's not firm - it's the usual 'give us a few weeks we'll be back to you' response - however, it's good to see it coming from somebody other than Coveney - who has a legitimate, large stake in the project.

flo8s967qjh0nd

mire wrote: »

That is right, he does not. However, I still suspect it will happen; clearly, they are angling for more state subvention.

I agree, they are obviously looking for extra funding from the government. Not sure if they'll get it. Arguably they've burned their bridges there already. I expected a statement from BAM but did not expect it to be so positive, so I'm taking heart from that at least. No idea when it might happen but it still might happen.

namloc1980

Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »

I agree, they are obviously looking for extra funding from the government. Not sure if they'll get it. Arguably they've burned their bridges there already. I expected a statement from BAM but did not expect it to be so positive, so I'm taking heart from that at least. No idea when it might happen but it still might happen.

The cynic in me sees the positivity as BAM positioning themselves if this ends up cancelled. "Well we were fully supportive of this but it was someone elses fault it failed". Hope not though. Live Nation's commitment the big question now.

flo8s967qjh0nd

Is the meeting with city councillors by the end of January still going ahead? Or do BAM see their interview in the the paper as fulfilling that obligation?

Cape Clear

I hear Owen O'Callaghan passed away last night.

kub

Cape Clear wrote: »

I hear Owen O'Callaghan passed away last night.

He did sadly, a man who did a lot for this city.

Mumha

kub wrote: »

He did sadly, a man who did a lot for this city.

Really ? What did he do ?

flo8s967qjh0nd

kub wrote: »

He did sadly, a man who did a lot for this city.

He did indeed. Few people in recent decades have had such an impact on how cork looks. I wouldn't be a fan of everything but he had a massive impact and drove development when nobody else could do it. RIP

j8wk2feszrnpao

Mumha wrote: »

Really ? What did he do ?

I was wondering about this as well. Sad for his family for sure.
But he got well paid/compensated to complete work/development. I don't see how others would not have done the same?

KCAccidental

Myles Mealy Drunk wrote: »

I was wondering about this as well. Sad for his family for sure.
But he got well paid/compensated to complete work/development. I don't see how others would not have done the same?

I'm really the last person who would praise property developers, but he did continue to invest in Cork when no one else was bothered during the depths of the crash.

flo8s967qjh0nd

From the Council meeting last night, BAM will meet Cork City councillors on February 20th to 'update' them on the event centre situation.
I presume this will be the standard holding position: we don't know when it will get started but sure, isn't it great?
I hope I'm wrong.

Mumha

KCAccidental wrote: »

I'm really the last person who would praise property developers, but he did continue to invest in Cork when no one else was bothered during the depths of the crash.

What did he invest in, in Cork, during the depths of the crash ? Even if he did, was that not for his own profit, rather than say spending money on what would be a gift to the city, as others have done ? If I build a house, isn't that doing great things for Cork, if are to use your metric ?

flo8s967qjh0nd

Perhaps there could be another thread for complaining about a man who has just died? Or, you know, maybe we could just, not.

kub

Mumha wrote: »

What did he invest in, in Cork, during the depths of the crash ? Even if he did, was that not for his own profit, rather than say spending money on what would be a gift to the city, as others have done ? If I build a house, isn't that doing great things for Cork, if are to use your metric ?

Well i for one was brought up to never speak ill of the dead, this man was a business man and he did a lot for Cork, he employed plenty, contracted plenty and those buildings which he developed now employ probably thousands.
But to answer your first question, if i may, hr developed Opera Lane in the city centre while the country was on its knees.
I wonder how many other developers had the confidence he showed in Cork when he did this, mind you most other developers were either bankrupt or in Nama at that stage, while he took a chance and had great foresight.

the beer revolu

So people can go off topic praising a man who has died but if anyone disagrees with the greatness of what he's done, they are being disrespectful??

Don't get it.

How about we just stay on topic?

KCAccidental

the beer revolu wrote: »

So people can go off topic praising a man who has died but if anyone disagrees with the greatness of what he's done, they are being disrespectful??

Don't get it.

How about we just stay on topic?

why get so worked up about it?

the beer revolu

KCAccidental wrote: »

why get so worked up about it?

Because of the sense of "I can say what I like about OOC and anyone who disagrees is disrespectful /mean/nasty /insensitive because the man has died"

Anyway, who's worked up? And it was in reference to the tone of kub and Mr tea's posts.

Mumha

kub wrote: »

Well i for one was brought up to never speak ill of the dead, this man was a business man and he did a lot for Cork, he employed plenty, contracted plenty and those buildings which he developed now employ probably thousands.
But to answer your first question, if i may, hr developed Opera Lane in the city centre while the country was on its knees.
I wonder how many other developers had the confidence he showed in Cork when he did this, mind you most other developers were either bankrupt or in Nama at that stage, while he took a chance and had great foresight.

That's a cop out, we heard the same nonsense from the Charlie Haughey apologists.... are you an FFer ?

You're missing the point of my question, which was to ask what has he done for Cork that hasn't been about profit for him ? Opera Lane is a development which he did for his own profit. When one thinks of the people who spent their own money for the betterment of Cork, someone like William Crawford and his family

http://www.irishexaminer.com/lifestyle/artsfilmtv/books/beamish-crawford-brewers-left-their-mark-on-cork-361464.html

William Crawford Junior (1788-1840), son of brewery co-founder William Crawford (1757-1834), was a patron of the Cork Society for the Promotion of the Fine Arts in the early 1800s. Like his father and his father’s business partner William Beamish, he was a patron of the Royal Cork Institution, founded in 1803, which had an extensive library and promoted adult education in the city through short courses and lectures.

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William Horatio Crawford was a major funder of the building of the new St Fin Barre’s Cathedral, and was also the principal benefactor of Queen’s University, later UCC, from the 1870s. He supplied plants to the gardens, paid for the astronomical observatory named in his honour, provided the funds for a student residence and donated over 2,000 books to the library. Following his death, his extensive library was sold at Sotheby’s in London. His collection was so huge, the auction took 12 days to complete.

Another brewery director, North Ludlow Beamish, was a key mover in the successful campaign to establish the university in Cork in 1849 and his son, North Ludlow Axel Beamish, served for many years as chairman of the Cork Carnegie Library Committee.

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In 1850, the old Custom House at Emmet Place became the Cork School of Design. In the early 1880s William Horatio Crawford funded its extension and donated many works of art to the new school that was opened officially in 1885 and re-named the Crawford School of Art. In 1979, the school of art transferred to the former technical college that had been endowed by William Horatio’s cousin, Arthur Frederick Sharman Crawford, near St Fin Barre’s Cathedral, and the Crawford School of Art became the Crawford Art Gallery.

That's doing great things for Cork. Even modern day, look at what Irish American Chuck Feeney did for Cork

http://www.irishexaminer.com/viewpoints/analysis/how-philanthropist-chuck-feeney-spent-his-billions-on-irish-society-372557.html

UNIVERSITY COLLEGE CORK — €79.1m

Tyndall National Institute, €20.5m

One of the country’s largest science and technology research centres, housing 460 researchers; breakthroughs have included micro-needles for medical use and, most recently, developing “radiation-hard” transistors for the European Space Agency.

O’Rahilly Building, University College Cork, €2.5m

According to UCC, the building is a major addition to the quantum of academic space in the college and is arguably the most significant addition to the College building stock in recent years. The investment was to support building construction to “consolidate and expand UCC’s undergraduate and graduate business and language programmes”.

Biosciences Institute, Cork, €5.7m

This is considered the research arm of the School of Life Sciences in University College Cork. The university describes it as “a central pillar of the national agenda for science and technology” and “a portal to and from UCC to the external scientific community”.

The Environmental Research Institute, €5.9m

This 33,000 square foot building offers environmental researchers custom laboratories, pilot trial space and environmental control rooms. It has more than 300 researchers drawn from across a diversity of scientific and engineering disciplines in UCC. At any one time the Institute has up to 70 research projects under way.

UCC campus expansion, €5m

This investment enabled the purchase of three land parcels which were much needed to enable the campus to expand for new research and educational buildings.

The Mardyke Sports Arena, €7.7m

An indoor sports centre with outdoor all-weather pitches, the Mardyke Arena incudes climbing walls, swimming pool and fitness suites accessible to UCC students.

Western Gateway building €6.4m

UCC’s largest building, housing the schools of Mathematical Sciences, Microelectronics, Pharmacology and Physiology and a cancer research unit.

Marymount hospice, €10m of €55m

Cork’s 44-bed hospital and hospice, which provides end-of-life and specialist palliative care as well as residential care for the elderly and an education centre.

Boole Library, €13.5m

Arts, humanities, law and official publications are housed in the Boole Library, which also has 70 group study areas and 755 reader spaces

That's an outstanding contribution to Cork and shouldn't be mentioned in the same breath as those who build things for their own personal profit.

To bring it back on topic, we should have had an event centre a decade ago but for the shenanigans that went on with Mahon Point, and the developer getting away with what was effectively a €6m fine for not building the Event Centre.

flo8s967qjh0nd

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/aaa-councillor-wants-hardline-approach-on-corks-event-centre-440598.html

More pressure on BAM and Cork City Council to come down heavy on them for stalling on the Event Centre. In fairness, City Council are stuck either way because they're trying to keep everybody happy. This meeting on the 20th should be interesting but the tone of the announcement from the council CEO doesn't bode well. Councillors will "receive an update" - as opposed to get to ask any questions or interrogate the developers.

flo8s967qjh0nd

Mumha wrote: »

we should have had an event centre a decade ago but for the shenanigans that went on with Mahon Point, and the developer getting away with what was effectively a €6m fine for not building the Event Centre.

I'm not familiar with the history but an event centre at Mahon Point, in retrospect, would strike me as an awful, awful idea.

Mumha

Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »

I'm not familiar with the history but an event centre at Mahon Point, in retrospect, would strike me as an awful, awful idea.

I completely agree, but that wasn't the point. It was a sop to get approval for Mahon SC .... the developer never had any intention of building an Event Centre, which made his intervention to derail the Bam/Heineken Beamish plan a couple of years ago, all the more grotesque.

One could also say the placing of a one way, in and out, Shopping Centre right next to the Tunnel was also something that was/is equally awful. If ever there was a need for a Steward's Inquiry ....

flo8s967qjh0nd

"derail", "grotesque"
I think you're applying motivations to somebody which you really can't substantiate.

Mumha

Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »

"derail", "grotesque"
I think you're applying motivations to somebody which you really can't substantiate.

Yet you say you're not familiar with the history ...

D'Agger

Mumha wrote: »

Yet you say you're not familiar with the history ...

Pointing out that your language seems somewhat biased doesn't imply knowledge - it's merely an observation and I say that as somebody who knows nothing of the past events regarding Mahon Point/Events Centre and is using this thread to learn more. I'm glad you're raising these points, but your language seems lobsided to be fair

All that said, I'm not the grammar police, is there any information on why there wasn't an investigation into the change to Mahon Point? Must look into it further myself but if people have links on the fallout I'd appreciate them