Events Centre

cardinal tetra

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

mire

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

It's a great location. Please name a better site that performs better in terms of economic spin off and regeneration?

theboringfox

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

Yes. It's a huge extra cost. The event centre should be built but I bet a load of the cost is to do with that site and location. It can and will be built but can't ask for that big a hand out.

CHealy

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

Location couldnt be better.

Padraig Mor

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

It's a Pitty O'Callaghan didn't get the job, it wood probably be built now. Who knows they still might come up with new site in the Docklands. I really think it will not be built in South Main Street.

You mean the same O'Callaghan who already scammed the city out of an event centre once in Mahon Point?

mean gene

Its not getting built-apartments I heard

Pablo Escobar

CHealy wrote: »

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

Location couldnt be better.

I haven't ever agreed with that. The streets around it are too small, which would make access difficult. The other option I always thought had a bit of foresight. That area is being completely re-generated (albeit slowly), but the planning down there is actually pretty good compared with something that is essentially from the middle ages.

CHealy

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

I haven't ever agreed with that. The streets around it are too small, which would make access difficult.

Couldn't disagree with you more, saying the streets are too small is one of the more bizarre statement Iv heard against this location.

It won't be built there anyway so no need to worry.

mire

Pablo Escobar wrote: »

CHealy wrote: »

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

Location couldnt be better.

I haven't ever agreed with that. The streets around it are too small, which would make access difficult. The other option I always thought had a bit of foresight. That area is being completely re-generated (albeit slowly), but the planning down there is actually pretty good compared with something that is essentially from the middle ages.

Streets are too small for what exactly? It's a highly accessible site. It functioned as one of the city's largest industrial sites for many many years, with much more servicing activity than an event centre will require.

mire

theboringfox wrote: »

cardinal tetra wrote: »

Silly location.
Silly plan.
Silly tender process.
Might as well drain the Lough and put it there. Less swanning around involved

Yes. It's a huge extra cost. The event centre should be built but I bet a load of the cost is to do with that site and location. It can and will be built but can't ask for that big a hand out.

The additional costs are related to the internal layout and configuration, and the need for a highly flexible format. Nothing whatsoever to do with the location.

the beer revolu

Please, please don't reopen the event centre location debate!

It's been hammered out ad nauseum in this very thread already.

Meursault

the beer revolu wrote: »

Please, please don't reopen the event centre location debate!

It's been hammered out ad nauseum in this very thread already.

Agree 100%. The current difficulties have absolutely nothing to do with the location.

We are faced with the cancellation of the event centre because the builders/owners of the event centre either deliberately or idiotically went to the govt with a cost to build the event centre, without actually consulting the people who will be running it (Live Nation) for their input on the designs and the cost.

It wouldnt have mattered if it was on south main st, the docks or spike island for that matter. the designs and costs that were agreed between all parties were totally unrealistic.

What it all boils down to, is whether the govt are willing to cough up another 20m, now that Live Nation have given their input.

cardinal tetra

mire wrote: »

Streets are too small for what exactly? It's a highly accessible site. It functioned as one of the city's largest industrial sites for many many years, with much more servicing activity than an event centre will require.

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

Patrick 1959

cardinal tetra wrote: »

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

I'm in total agreement with you. will be in use at least 3 times a day 7 days a week.all these people spreading onto a street that has not got any wider in 800 years.

j8wk2feszrnpao

cardinal tetra wrote: »

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

It's the 3Arena (not the O2).

mire

cardinal tetra wrote: »

mire wrote: »

Streets are too small for what exactly? It's a highly accessible site. It functioned as one of the city's largest industrial sites for many many years, with much more servicing activity than an event centre will require.

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

I'm sorry but this is utter nonsense. Completely out dated thinking. The idea that traditional city centres cannot and should not accommodate large venues because of narrow footpaths and streets is bizarre to say the least. It's perfectly suitable. There's lots of car parking, plenty of access and I really can't comprehend the kind of thinking that considers this site to be unsuitable.

KCAccidental

cardinal tetra wrote: »

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

The simple solution is closing South Main Street and Tuckey St to traffic after events.

whisky_galore

the beer revolu wrote: »

Please, please don't reopen the event centre location debate!

It's been hammered out ad nauseum in this very thread already.

Thread should be renamed the "Non-Event Centre"

flo8s967qjh0nd

Event Centre costs reach staggering new heights. Will it never end?
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-event-centre-cost-could-top-73m-454337.html

namloc1980

What an utter farce. What could have been a massive boost to Cork is turning into a nightmare. Joke.

shafty100

not looking good if bam expect the taxpayer to fork 38m for a development worth 73 m or maybey more

P.lane78

shafty100 wrote: »

not looking good if bam expect the taxpayer to fork 38m for a development worth 73 m or maybey more

Forget about this ...put the student apartments up and move on unfortunately

flo8s967qjh0nd

P.lane78 wrote: »

Forget about this ...put the student apartments up and move on unfortunately

Even the student apartments are stalled now. An abject failure from start to finish.

roundymac

Bam should be told to eff off and not left tender for any more public projects.

flo8s967qjh0nd

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/city-officials-defend-role-as-event-centre-costs-soar-454615.html

Story in the paper today. City council seem to be slowing things down now.

Rhinohippo

namloc1980 wrote: »

What an utter farce. What could have been a massive boost to Cork is turning into a nightmare. Joke.

Soooo disappointing.

opus

Took roughly the same two pics today as back in May, not too much to report as far as I can see.

Patrick 1959

Will never be built there. GAA will be very happy now.

mire

Patrick 1959 wrote: »

Will never be built there. GAA will be very happy now.

Why?

Patrick 1959

cardinal tetra wrote: »

For 5-7000 people leaving at the same time. The 02 has minimum traffic aroumd it. Wide concourses. A luas bus and dart system. Parking in many centers and off street. The push into the city centre is diverse and the area has 17 entry and exit routes for cars and buses alike. Not even accounting for cruise ship access at port in summer months. Curremt event center would have 4 access and exit routes, 3 parking areas totalling just over 1500 cars ( dublin in comparison has 15600 within a mile radius of the 02), coupled with no luas. No dart and a failimg bus service. The footpaths are too narrow causing people more then 2 abreast to walk out on the road causing a dangerous scenario. The bottleneck cause a health and safety scenario and the fire safety issue is absolutely crippling, meaning you would possibly need a fire engine parked outside for every gig over a certain capacity. Absolute joke of an idea.

For all the reasons above.