Events Centre

CHealy

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

If you can diall back the tone, this will be a much nicer thread.

It has everything to do with getting our act together.

There is precedence.
Why is Musgrave Park a kip, and Thomond Park a world class stadium? If you think its due to some teary eyed nostalgia for the halcyon days of 78, ive some beans for sale.
One organization has been involved in both.

Theres a place where the sun doesnt shine and you know what you can do with your "dial back the tone" comment.

Roger Hassenforder

CHealy wrote: »

Theres a place where the sun doesnt shine and you know what you can do with your "dial back the tone" comment.

Well played.
Its obvious you've nothing to contribute other than invective, childish comments.

namloc1980

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

If you can diall back the tone, this will be a much nicer thread.

It has everything to do with getting our act together.

There is precedence.
Why is Musgrave Park a kip, and Thomond Park a world class stadium? If you think its due to some teary eyed nostalgia for the halcyon days of 78, ive some beans for sale.
One organization has been involved in both.

Look at the western rail corridor. €100m so a handful of people can get the train from Ennis to Athenry. It was clearly bonkers and called out by many as unsustainable but the parish pump was hard at work by politicians on the ground in Limerick and Galway to get it. Irish Rail never wanted it and are running up huge losses operating it.

Never underestimate the power of the parish pump. If Cork fails to sort out this mess (which seems likely) do not be surprised if Limerick steps in with heavy political backing and gets something, even a scaled down version, up and running.

Roger Hassenforder

namloc1980 wrote: »

Look at the western rail corridor. €100m so a handful of people can get the train from Ennis to Athenry. It was clearly bonkers and called out by many as unsustainable but the parish pump was hard at work by politicians on the ground in Limerick and Galway to get it. Irish Rail never wanted it and are running up huge losses operating it.

Never underestimate the power of the parish pump. If Cork fails to sort out this mess (which seems likely) do not be surprised if Limerick steps in with heavy political backing and gets something, even a scaled down version, up and running.

Wont be surprised at all!

While I'm totally against the parish pump politics Haely Rae style, i think our boys need to up their game on behalf of Cork.

namloc1980

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Wont be surprised at all!

While I'm totally against the parish pump politics Haely Rae style, i think our boys need to up their game on behalf of Cork.

Absolutely. In theory we have heavy hitters in Coveney, Martin and McGrath but they're too busy playing politics up in Dublin to keep an eye on what's happening on the ground at home. Look at the Cork Airport debt. Does anyone think that if it was Shannon that Michael Noonan would've stood by and let €100m of debt remain saddled to it. Not a chance.

mire

namloc1980 wrote: »

Look at the western rail corridor. €100m so a handful of people can get the train from Ennis to Athenry. It was clearly bonkers and called out by many as unsustainable but the parish pump was hard at work by politicians on the ground in Limerick and Galway to get it. Irish Rail never wanted it and are running up huge losses operating it.

Never underestimate the power of the parish pump. If Cork fails to sort out this mess (which seems likely) do not be surprised if Limerick steps in with heavy political backing and gets something, even a scaled down version, up and running.

Why are people so concerned with Limerick and Galway? They are completely irrelevant In this context. People were recently saying that cork is losing out to limerick because limerick city and county council were borrowing money from the European Investment bank to fund projects that no private developer would fund. When the only active commercial development project in your city centre is funded by the European Investment bank your city is not doing particularly well.

If if this doesn't happen in cork because it is not deemed to be viable even with €30,000,000 worth of government funding, It will not be happening in Limerick or Galway. Do you seriously believe that Live Nation [And it has to be live nation], who are just about willing to get involved in the cork project, would consider either of those locations to be more viable?

Roger Hassenforder

mire wrote: »

Why are people so concerned with Limerick and Galway? They are completely irrelevant In this context. People were recently saying that cork is losing out to limerick because limerick city and county council were borrowing money from the European Investment bank to fund projects that no private developer would fund. When the only active commercial development project in your city centre is funded by the European Investment bank your city is not doing particularly well.

If if this doesn't happen in cork because it is not deemed to be viable even with €30,000,000 worth of government funding, It will not be happening in Limerick or Galway. Do you seriously believe that Live Nation [And it has to be live nation], who are just about willing to get involved in the cork project, would consider either of those locations to be more viable?

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision. LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

snotboogie

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

mire wrote: »

Why are people so concerned with Limerick and Galway? They are completely irrelevant In this context. People were recently saying that cork is losing out to limerick because limerick city and county council were borrowing money from the European Investment bank to fund projects that no private developer would fund. When the only active commercial development project in your city centre is funded by the European Investment bank your city is not doing particularly well.

If if this doesn't happen in cork because it is not deemed to be viable even with €30,000,000 worth of government funding, It will not be happening in Limerick or Galway. Do you seriously believe that Live Nation [And it has to be live nation], who are just about willing to get involved in the cork project, would consider either of those locations to be more viable?

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision.  LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

Cork City being the apt part of that sentence. Most of the industry in Cork is in Little Island and the harbour which are clearly part of the commuter belt.

mire

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision. LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

I agree about the need for initiative, and Cork should expect more, but this won't be solved by shouting from the rooftops or 'being more parishpumpy'. It'll get solved when the promoters and developers are ready to fund it.

If you're suggesting that Cork, as an economic prospect, is some kind of subsidised public sector dependency*, you're way, way off the mark. Cork has an enormous FDI base, and a very large private sector. You do know that the largest employers in most cities are government bodies, universities, hospitals. That's not unusual. Who do you think is the largest employer in Dublin?

This has nothing to do with 'hubris' and everything to do with funding, viability, markets and political will.

*BTW, there are 19 organisations in Cork City [administrative area] that employ over 500 people. I think this is a healthy private-public mix.

Abtran HSE Bon Secours Hospital Alcon Technology Ireland Ltd HSE Cork University Hospital Apple (3 locations) HSE Mercy Hospital Boston Scientific (Cork) Ltd HSE Saint Finbarr’s Hospital Cope Foundation (Middle Glanmire Road) HSE South Infirmary-Victoria University Hospital Cork City Council Musgrave’s Retail Partners Ltd Cork County Council Starwood Hotels and Resorts Cork Institute of Technology The Defence Forces EMC University College Cork VoxPro

namloc1980

mire wrote: »

I agree about the need for initiative, and Cork should expect more, but this won't be solved by shouting from the rooftops or 'being more parishpumpy'. It'll get solved when the promoters and developers are ready to fund it.

If you're suggesting that Cork, as an economic prospect, is some kind of subsidised public sector dependency*, you're way, way off the mark. Cork has an enormous FDI base, and a very large private sector. You do know that the largest employers in most cities are government bodies, universities, hospitals. That's not unusual. Who do you think is the largest employer in Dublin?

This has nothing to do with 'hubris' and everything to do with funding, viability, markets and political will.

*BTW, there are 19 organisations in Cork City [administrative area] that employ over 500 people. I think this is a healthy private-public mix.

Abtran HSE Bon Secours Hospital Alcon Technology Ireland Ltd HSE Cork University Hospital Apple (3 locations) HSE Mercy Hospital Boston Scientific (Cork) Ltd HSE Saint Finbarr’s Hospital Cope Foundation (Middle Glanmire Road) HSE South Infirmary-Victoria University Hospital Cork City Council Musgrave’s Retail Partners Ltd Cork County Council Starwood Hotels and Resorts Cork Institute of Technology The Defence Forces EMC University College Cork VoxPro

Where you get that list? My employer has well over 500 staff in Cork city centre and not on that list.

fonzy951

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision. LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

Thomond Park was always going to be redeveloped before Musgrave Park, historical reasons and popularity of rugby in Limerick etc., so its no big coup or anything tbf. Cork now has Pairc Ui Chaoimh which is a larger, more superior stadium.

Also LCCC borrowing of 180 million to fund the offices in the opera centre is risky, private developers wouldn't touch it, I hope we all won't be bailing out LCCC at the end of it.

snotboogie

fonzy951 wrote: »

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision.  LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

Thomond Park was always going to be redeveloped before Musgrave Park, historical reasons and popularity of rugby in Limerick etc., so its no big coup or anything tbf. Cork now has Pairc Ui Chaoimh which is a larger, more superior stadium.

Also LCCC borrowing of 180 million to fund the offices in the opera centre is risky, private developers wouldn't touch it, I hope we all won't be bailing out LCCC at the end of it.

Cork players outnumber Limerick players on the Munster squad 3 to 1.

rebs23

fonzy951 wrote: »

Also LCCC borrowing of 180 million to fund the offices in the opera centre is risky, private developers wouldn't touch it, I hope we all won't be bailing out LCCC at the end of it.

LCC are borrowing 170 million to build offices in a region with a 20% commercial vacancy rate. There is one private site in Limerick where the office project has stopped with 2 cranes on the site doing nothing for the past few months. Can't get tenants?
There is absolutely zero private sector investment in Limerick, absolutely nothing happening up there despite all the PR which is in complete contrast to Cork where thankfully the cranes are cropping up all over the city, all of it private work though.
So if offices can't work for the private sector in Limerick how can it possibly work for the public sector? Yet again we'll be picking up the tab for failed public sector investment in Limerick. You will be adding the Opera Centre to the Limerick Tunnel, the Limerick Galway line, Limerick to Waterford rail line, Shannon Airport, Shannon Development and a whole big list of infrastructure provided for the region that is simply uneconomical and not necessary but the tax payer picks up the tab.
Meanwhile down in Cork our public transport is jam packed, our roads are at creaking point, our population and employment growth are booming and nothing, zilch for a long time now for public infrastructure.
Thankfully that is changing with some major infrastructural projects happening soon but the Event Centre is the one we are all watching.

fonzy951

snotboogie wrote: »

Cork players outnumber Limerick players on the Munster squad 3 to 1.

I don't doubt it for a second (much bigger population), but Rugby has always been more popular (per head) in Limerick across all sections of society, is that not why historically TP always hosted the Munster games over the last few decades? It was always going to be difficult for Musgrave Park to become the main stadium with all that previous history etc. But of course economically Cork would by far be the better option for the main Munster stadium.

Roger Hassenforder

fonzy951 wrote: »

Thomond Park was always going to be redeveloped before Musgrave Park, historical reasons and popularity of rugby in Limerick etc., so its no big coup or anything tbf. Cork now has Pairc Ui Chaoimh which is a larger, more superior stadium.

The "popularity" thing is over played as the reason. Both were up for development. They went with Thomond park because Musgrave stalled.

Roger Hassenforder

mire wrote: »

I agree about the need for initiative, and Cork should expect more, but this won't be solved by shouting from the rooftops or 'being more parishpumpy'. It'll get solved when the promoters and developers are ready to fund it.

If you're suggesting that Cork, as an economic prospect, is some kind of subsidised public sector dependency*, you're way, way off the mark. Cork has an enormous FDI base, and a very large private sector. You do know that the largest employers in most cities are government bodies, universities, hospitals. That's not unusual. Who do you think is the largest employer in Dublin?

This has nothing to do with 'hubris' and everything to do with funding, viability, markets and political will.

*BTW, there are 19 organisations in Cork City [administrative area] that employ over 500 people. I think this is a healthy private-public mix.

Abtran HSE Bon Secours Hospital Alcon Technology Ireland Ltd HSE Cork University Hospital Apple (3 locations) HSE Mercy Hospital Boston Scientific (Cork) Ltd HSE Saint Finbarr’s Hospital Cope Foundation (Middle Glanmire Road) HSE South Infirmary-Victoria University Hospital Cork City Council Musgrave’s Retail Partners Ltd Cork County Council Starwood Hotels and Resorts Cork Institute of Technology The Defence Forces EMC University College Cork VoxPro

Still a lot of public bodies there^^
This is part of the issue, if we see FDI being attracted elsewhere, it may take some time to turn it around. The FDI is mainly on the County (for the moment). The event centre is an oppurtunity to bring another bouyant (all boats would float) revenue stream into city centre that is in danger of being lost.

We cant rest on our laurels and be at the mercy of developers, using a rubgy pun, standing on the wing in the cold, waiting for a pass.
We need to be more proactive and get stuck into the maul that is the public finances pot.
Our current tactic isnt working.
Where are our leaders?

fonzy951

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

They went with Thomond park because Musgrave stalled.

Could you expand, never heard this before.

Roger Hassenforder

fonzy951 wrote: »

Could you expand, never heard this before.

You wont see it on any minutes, and i know theres a whiff of "a man in the pub told me", but its a regular conversation on the road to limerick for a match; that this could and would have been in cork, only for the two authorities having different approaches to the development. It got bogged down in planning etc.

mire

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

mire wrote: »

I agree about the need for initiative, and Cork should expect more, but this won't be solved by shouting from the rooftops or 'being more parishpumpy'. It'll get solved when the promoters and developers are ready to fund it.

If you're suggesting that Cork, as an economic prospect, is some kind of subsidised public sector dependency*, you're way, way off the mark. Cork has an enormous FDI base, and a very large private sector. You do know that the largest employers in most cities are government bodies, universities, hospitals. That's not unusual. Who do you think is the largest employer in Dublin?

This has nothing to do with 'hubris' and everything to do with funding, viability, markets and political will.

*BTW, there are 19 organisations in Cork City [administrative area] that employ over 500 people. I think this is a healthy private-public mix.

Abtran HSE Bon Secours Hospital Alcon Technology Ireland Ltd HSE Cork University Hospital Apple (3 locations) HSE Mercy Hospital Boston Scientific (Cork) Ltd HSE Saint Finbarr’s Hospital Cope Foundation (Middle Glanmire Road) HSE South Infirmary-Victoria University Hospital Cork City Council Musgrave’s Retail Partners Ltd Cork County Council Starwood Hotels and Resorts Cork Institute of Technology The Defence Forces EMC University College Cork VoxPro

Still a lot of public bodies there^^
This is part of the issue, if we see FDI being attracted elsewhere, it may take some time to turn it around. The FDI is mainly on the County (for the moment). The event centre is an oppurtunity to bring another bouyant (all boats would float) revenue stream into city centre that is in danger of being lost.

We cant rest on our laurels and be at the mercy of developers, using a rubgy pun, standing on the wing in the cold, waiting for a pass.
We need to be more proactive and get stuck into the maul that is the public finances pot.
Our current tactic isnt working.
Where are our leaders?

I don't disagree, but it is worth acknowledging that Cork is in a very strong place. It's in a different league economically to the other cities, but it should not become complacent.

AugustusMinimus

fonzy951 wrote: »

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

Bear in mind cost of borrowing at moment and of financing debt. Maybe LCCC have a bit more vision. LCCC are doing whats expected of them. A bit more "get up and go". Doing their jobs etc.
Should we not be expecting more from our lads, local and national?

Why cant CCC come up with the shortfall (borrow as well) and get the project moving? Its small money to us, a region with 500,000 after all. Sure we're huge. Yet cant plug a relatively small gap, considering the potential gain.

Galway and Limerick are less than an hour apart. Its an axis that may become significant. Lets (as a city) not rest on our laurells, allowing complacency be a driver. 9/12 of the top employers in Cork City are public bodies. We're not some Shangri La of investment that another city cant put in place measures to attract FDI and start to compete. Greeks had a great term, hubris, to describe the gods taking a hero down a peg or two.


It has already happened with Thomond Park.

Thomond Park was always going to be redeveloped before Musgrave Park, historical reasons and popularity of rugby in Limerick etc., so its no big coup or anything tbf. Cork now has Pairc Ui Chaoimh which is a larger, more superior stadium.

Also LCCC borrowing of 180 million to fund the offices in the opera centre is risky, private developers wouldn't touch it, I hope we all won't be bailing out LCCC at the end of it.

What historical reasons? Touring sides played every second match back in the day, Thomond and Musgrace. It was Limericks turn to host an Internationsl match and so they got the All Blacks.

Munster beat Australia at Musgrave years later as it was Musgraves turn to host an international.

Up until 2000, Musgrave hosted more Heineken Cup matches than Thomond. A lot more.

The story of Munster Rugby has been completely rewritten of late to focus almost entirely on its Limerick history. Cork has been written out and is being severely neglected.

fonzy951

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What historical reasons? Touring sides played every second match back in the day, Thomond and Musgrace. It was Limericks turn to host an Internationsl match and so they got the All Blacks.

Munster beat Australia at Musgrave years later as it was Musgraves turn to host an international.

Up until 2000, Musgrave hosted more Heineken Cup matches than Thomond. A lot more.

The story of Munster Rugby has been completely rewritten of late to focus almost entirely on its Limerick history. Cork has been written out and is being severely neglected.

Why did TP get most of the Heineken Cup games from 2000 onwards, what changed?

AugustusMinimus

fonzy951 wrote: »

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What historical reasons? Touring sides played every second match back in the day, Thomond and Musgrace. It was Limericks turn to host an Internationsl match and so they got the All Blacks.

Munster beat Australia at Musgrave years later as it was Musgraves turn to host an international.

Up until 2000, Musgrave hosted more Heineken Cup matches than Thomond. A lot more.

The story of Munster Rugby has been completely rewritten of late to focus almost entirely on its Limerick history. Cork has been written out and is being severely neglected.

Why did TP get most of the Heineken Cup games from 2000 onwards, what changed?

Because the Cork contingent in Munster Branch are spineless.

snotboogie

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

What historical reasons? Touring sides played every second match back in the day, Thomond and Musgrace. It was Limericks turn to host an Internationsl match and so they got the All Blacks.

Munster beat Australia at Musgrave years later as it was Musgraves turn to host an international.

Up until 2000, Musgrave hosted more Heineken Cup matches than Thomond. A lot more.

The story of Munster Rugby has been completely rewritten of late to focus almost entirely on its Limerick history. Cork has been written out and is being severely neglected.

Try saying that over on the rugby board, I have before... It's the greatest screw job in the history of Irish professional sport, the second biggest rugby market thrown to the side and left to rot while all of its players are exported to Limerick. Nobody wants to talk about it though

j8wk2feszrnpao

CHealy wrote: »

Yet you keep replying to me..................

Happy to let you continue being ignorant.

kub

snotboogie wrote: »

Try saying that over on the rugby board, I have before... It's the greatest screw job in the history of Irish professional sport, the second biggest rugby market thrown to the side and left to rot while all of its players are exported to Limerick. Nobody wants to talk about it though

Time for a professional Cork team?

snotboogie

kub wrote: »

Time for a professional Cork team?

The public are too apathetic. Ex players are the only ones who could stir things up but they have no interest in disturbing the status quo.

It should be a lesson for Cork re the Events Centre though. Irish organizations have no problem building in Greater Limerick using Cork as a market justification for the build and then telling Cork to suck it up and drive over, see Thomond Park and Shannon Airport.

AugustusMinimus

snotboogie wrote: »

kub wrote: »

Time for a professional Cork team?

The public are too apathetic. Ex players are the only ones who could stir things up but they have no interest in disturbing the status quo.

It should be a lesson for Cork re the Events Centre though. Irish organizations have no problem building in Greater Limerick using Cork as a market justification for the build and then telling Cork to suck it up and drive over, see Thomond Park and Shannon Airport.

Donal Lenihan did an article 2 years ago saying how Cork was forgotten. A few days later Axel died and the whole thing forgotten.

All training sessions are now in Limerick and 2/3 of the team are Cork based. It’s a lot of the reason why Cork based players are going over seas. 3 hours on the road each day. F that.

Roger Hassenforder

lest any Limerick man come on and berate us, I've played with and against Limerick teams years ago. It thought it was a very different attitude up there! I preferred their attitude to it, but it has changed a lot now I think.
I think the days of it being a "working class" game in limerick and a "middle class" game in Cork are long gone thankfully.

(Except in Con )

Silentcorner

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

lest any Limerick man come on and berate us, I've played with and against Limerick teams years ago. It thought it was a very different attitude up there! I preferred their attitude to it, but it has changed a lot now I think.
I think the days of it being a "working class" game in limerick and a "middle class" game in Cork are long gone thankfully.

(Except in Con )

Wouldn't dream of it...

In Limerick in general is what I would consider to be a very unpretentious city, reflected in its sport, theatre, music etc...including famously rugby, I say famously because lets be honest, for a long long time, rugby was famously pretentious....then it became professional!

Munster are based in UL because they put the best offer to Munster, LIT put in a bid also, so did CIT, no one else...it was there for the taking....it's not worth a whole pile to the city anyway...

FWIW there is no mention of a large scale Events centre here in Limerick, I think outside Dublin there needs to be an option in one of the regional cities, I believe that city should be Cork...it is a disgrace that Central Government has stalled on this, it is clearly not serious about developing Regional Cities....for too long, everyone living "down the country" has been held to ransom by Dublin Stadiums and Dublin hotel prices to the point where I refuse to spend the €400-500 it costs to go up there for the night...

What is required, is joined up thinking between 4 regional cities...that is the difficult part!

fonzy951

Roger Hassenforder wrote: »

You wont see it on any minutes, and i know theres a whiff of "a man in the pub told me", but its a regular conversation on the road to limerick for a match; that this could and would have been in cork, only for the two authorities having different approaches to the development. It got bogged down in planning etc.

Did a quick google on this, seems your version is fairly accurate, according to Donal Lenihan (in his book "My Life in Rugby").
Musgrave Park and also the option of a greenfield site in Curraheen got bogged down in planning obstacles etc. and TP sailed through planning without any major issues etc.