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    #1202
    namloc1980
    Registered Users Posts: 18,274 ✭✭✭✭namloc1980


    He'll throw whoever he needs to under the bus at this stage.


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    #1203
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »
    This morning's Examiner has Coveney excusing progress on this by blaming the Attorney General's office for not delivering on legal advice. He says that should be available now 'in a few weeks'.
    More delays. In my view, if you vote for this guy after this amount of lies and deliberate falsehoods, you must be clinically insane.

    In fairness he said that he understood the need for the legal advice to be airtight, or else this will face project ending legal challenges further down the line. The planning decision is tomorrow, it will get asked for more information, that will take another month or so. It will then be granted and An Taisce will appeal, which will take us at least up to Christmas. I don’t have an issue with every precaution being taken on the legal advice, especially with the likely delays associated with planning. Best case scenario this actually breaks ground around February next year. Unless we hear that planning has been refused or that the legal advice is not to proceed, these updates don’t really mean much.


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    #1204
    opus
    Registered Users Posts: 4,999 ✭✭✭opus


    Well safe to say we won't be seeing anything happening there for a while :(

    https://twitter.com/CorkEventCentre/status/1047925475836874752


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    #1205
    the beer revolu
    Registered Users Posts: 17,005 ✭✭✭✭the beer revolu


    opus wrote: »
    Well safe to say we won't be seeing anything happening there for a while :(

    https://twitter.com/CorkEventCentre/status/1047925475836874752

    Should they be allowed build whatever they like?


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    #1206
    BullBlackNova
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,746 ✭✭✭BullBlackNova


    Yeah, while the delays may be frustrating, there are some very valid reasons for further information in that report!

    Access routes, traffic counts, access to buses, entrances and exits, the bridges...

    You'd wonder if they'd ever even done pre-planning on the thing!


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    #1207
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    BullBlackNova wrote: »

    You'd wonder if they'd ever even done pre-planning on the thing!

    This


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    #1208
    H8GHOTI
    Registered Users Posts: 1,933 ✭✭✭H8GHOTI


    Have the plans changed that significantly that they are asking about traffic & access etc...?

    Surely those questions should have been addressed when the original planning was approved.


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    #1209
    mire
    Registered Users Posts: 490 ✭✭mire


    H8GHOTI wrote: »
    Have the plans changed that significantly that they are asking about traffic & access etc...?

    Surely those questions should have been addressed when the original planning was approved.

    Yes the access and servicing arrangements have changed quite a bit


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    #1210
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    H8GHOTI wrote: »
    Have the plans changed that significantly that they are asking about traffic & access etc...?

    Surely those questions should have been addressed when the original planning was approved.

    Chances are when it was originally designed the surrounding streets were two-lane and not all one-lane as now. That might have consequences when it comes to emergency access.

    I thought too there was going to be a laneway through the site to a pedestrian bridge over to Dean's Hall. That must be gone now? Can't see where that would fit in.


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    #1211
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭kub


    BullBlackNova wrote: »
    Yeah, while the delays may be frustrating, there are some very valid reasons for further information in that report!

    Access routes, traffic counts, access to buses, entrances and exits, the bridges...

    You'd wonder if they'd ever even done pre-planning on the thing!




    I wonder are they beginning to line up excuses as to why the site is no longer suitable and shelve it once and for all.


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    #1212
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    kub wrote: »
    I wonder are they beginning to line up excuses as to why the site is no longer suitable and shelve it once and for all.

    At this stage nothing would surprise me.


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    #1213
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Cork Boy 53 wrote: »
    At this stage nothing would surprise me.

    Thats the problem, we've no fcuking stage...

    Ill get me coat


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    #1214
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    kub wrote: »
    I wonder are they beginning to line up excuses as to why the site is no longer suitable and shelve it once and for all.

    Don't joke!

    I had a wacky conspiracy theory way back that the Event Centre was just bait to get permission for the other elements of the development - and ultimately the entire site will end up being accommodation. (Based on pretty much the same thing happening at Mahon Point - permission was granted there on the basis that it would include an Event Centre. Obviously, that never got built either).


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    #1215
    kub
    Registered Users Posts: 6,545 ✭✭✭kub


    who_me wrote: »
    Don't joke!

    I had a wacky conspiracy theory way back that the Event Centre was just bait to get permission for the other elements of the development - and ultimately the entire site will end up being accommodation. (Based on pretty much the same thing happening at Mahon Point - permission was granted there on the basis that it would include an Event Centre. Obviously, that never got built either).


    That is just it, I was not joking.


    I also do not think your conspiracy theory is wacky.


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    #1216
    flo8s967qjh0nd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭flo8s967qjh0nd


    https://www.eveningecho.ie/corknews/Construction-begins-on-former-brewerys-Counting-House-227b1f0b-1fab-4f8c-a12a-a48dcf2e2194-ds
    Work on the office section of the brewery site is to start tomorrow.
    Still no mention of when the event centre might start.


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    #1217
    flo8s967qjh0nd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭flo8s967qjh0nd


    According to the minister, construction will start in 2019. Not in 2016, 2017 or even 2018, all of which were promised, but definitely 2019. Put it in your diaries now.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-coveney-everyone-working-to-get-event-site-result-883372.html#.W-FezK85LN0.twitter


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    #1218
    nlrkjos
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭nlrkjos


    Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »
    According to the minister, construction will start in 2019. Not in 2016, 2017 or even 2018, all of which were promised, but definitely 2019. Put it in your diaries now.
    https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/simon-coveney-everyone-working-to-get-event-site-result-883372.html#.W-FezK85LN0.twitter

    he wasn't called "simple simon" in school for no reason....poor misfortunate.


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    #1219
    P.lane78
    Registered Users Posts: 470 ✭✭P.lane78


    Ya leo is turning the sod next week ...this is happening lads !!!!........not !!!!


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    #1220
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    P.lane78 wrote: »
    Ya leo is turning the sod next week ...this is happening lads !!!!........not !!!!

    Wait... they already turned the sod. Is this turning the sod back the way it was?

    ....how long before the event centre is called a "2020 Vision"?


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    #1221
    Cork Boy 53
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,829 ✭✭✭Cork Boy 53


    If there is a general election next year I imagine that Coveney and co will be making all sorts of promises that development on the events centre is on the horizon or some such guff. I wouldn`t be holding my breath though.


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    #1222
    ofcork
    Registered Users Posts: 5,388 ✭✭✭ofcork


    Apparently 1000 days since the sod turning!!


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    #1223
    Markcheese
    Registered Users Posts: 8,467 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    ofcork wrote: »
    Apparently 1000 days since the sod turning!!

    And bam will have the whole site developed soon. (except the event centre)

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



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    #1224
    nlrkjos
    Registered Users Posts: 378 ✭✭nlrkjos


    Bam will do whatever Bam have to do to turn a profit, this shambles is down to politicians for kowtowing to big business, methinks a few backhanders are doing the merry-go-round here !!


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    #1225
    flo8s967qjh0nd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭flo8s967qjh0nd


    What's the latest on this? Have they submitted the further information that the council asked for?
    I presume there is no news on funding from the government yet? I've been out of the loop on this.


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    #1226
    Roger Hassenforder
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,555 ✭✭✭Roger Hassenforder


    Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »
    What's the latest on this? Have they submitted the further information that the council asked for?
    I presume there is no news on funding from the government yet? I've been out of the loop on this.

    Whenever it was that you were in the loop, theres no change!


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    #1227
    who_me
    Registered Users Posts: 3,669 ✭✭✭who_me


    To whom do you address a letter if you want a matter raised by the city council? Just address it to any councillor?

    I'm very tempted to write, asking if and why BAM are still being considered in tenders; given the €12m "budgeting error" in the Port of Cork relocation, and the constant delays, project scale-backs and massive budget over-runs in the Event Centre.

    Why are such multi-million euro failures being rewarded with further work?


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    #1228
    flo8s967qjh0nd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭flo8s967qjh0nd


    who_me wrote: »
    To whom do you address a letter if you want a matter raised by the city council? Just address it to any councillor?

    I'm very tempted to write, asking if and why BAM are still being considered in tenders; given the €12m "budgeting error" in the Port of Cork relocation, and the constant delays, project scale-backs and massive budget over-runs in the Event Centre.

    Why are such multi-million euro failures being rewarded with further work?

    Address it to any councillor you think will raise it at Council level. In my experience, some of them don't want to know about certain issues.


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    #1229
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    who_me wrote: »
    To whom do you address a letter if you want a matter raised by the city council? Just address it to any councillor?

    I'm very tempted to write, asking if and why BAM are still being considered in tenders; given the €12m "budgeting error" in the Port of Cork relocation, and the constant delays, project scale-backs and massive budget over-runs in the Event Centre.

    Why are such multi-million euro failures being rewarded with further work?

    The port of Cork error was quietly resolved. They keep getting projects because they are one of only three companies big enough and operational in the city to manage projects of the scale you mentioned.


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    #1230
    gifted
    Registered Users Posts: 4,898 ✭✭✭gifted


    who_me wrote: »
    To whom do you address a letter if you want a matter raised by the city council? Just address it to any councillor?

    I'm very tempted to write, asking if and why BAM are still being considered in tenders; given the €12m "budgeting error" in the Port of Cork relocation, and the constant delays, project scale-backs and massive budget over-runs in the Event Centre.

    Why are such multi-million euro failures being rewarded with further work?

    The tender part is the easy bit.......most of the work that these big companies do is actually getting on the tender list......this is where your business development director comes into his own......he/she knows through contacts that there is z big development coming down the road....the company Credit card appears and then the socialising begins.....dinners...matches....international matches abroad....weekends away......basically buttering g up anyone that has a possible role in who makes it onto the tender list....it's happening for years....still is....minister recently resigned because of the broadband issue....


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    #1231
    flo8s967qjh0nd
    Closed Accounts Posts: 879 ✭✭✭flo8s967qjh0nd


    I've seen wars wrapped up in less time and with less damage to a city than this never-ending debacle.
    Whether or not BAM submit further information and if (and it's a big IF) they get planning permission for the redesigned event centre, I can't see this extra government funding coming through. If there was a way of funding it without the whole house of cards collapsing, it would have been done months ago.
    No, get ready for some bad news Cork. No funding increase, BAM slither out of their agreement to build the event centre and we're into a blame game where it's nobodies fault.


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