Events Centre

namloc1980

The CEO of the Council is like Comical Ali at this stage. At the CBA event last night she said "The contracts, which are so complicated, all of that is progressing. Far more importantly, is that the detailed designs are being done". Apart from the patronising tone about the 'so' complicated contacts, they're only doing detailed design now!!! WTF has been going for the last couple of years? If they are only doing design now, then we were all being fed lies by Coveney and Co about the imminent start date. Disgusting carry on all for the sake of a few votes.

flo8s967qjh0nd

namloc1980 wrote: »

The CEO of the Council is like Comical Ali at this stage. At the CBA event last night she said "The contracts, which are so complicated, all of that is progressing. Far more importantly, is that the detailed designs are being done". Apart from the patronising tone about the 'so' complicated contacts, they're only doing detailed design now!!! WTF has been going for the last couple of years? If they are only doing design now, then we were all being fed lies by Coveney and Co about the imminent start date. Disgusting carry on all for the sake of a few votes.

Comical Ali.....brilliant!

KCAccidental

you just have to laugh at this stage. The sod turning was such a transparent election stunt, but local media still swallowed it.

flo8s967qjh0nd

I doubt anything hosted in this event centre could ever be as entertaining as the debacle that has gone on over the last few months and years.

opus

KCAccidental wrote: »

you just have to laugh at this stage. The sod turning was such a transparent election stunt, but local media still swallowed it.

Looks like the Echo is sort of agreeing with you

Sod-Turning At Events Centre a ‘Cheap Stunt’

namloc1980

Had a wander down there at lunchtime. Nothing but a site office/storage area for the Capitol. There were a couple of builders there doing some rebar work for the Capitol. Otherwise deserted.

flo8s967qjh0nd

Has the minister surfaced yet? For a guy who has staked his political reputation on this, he's awfully quiet these days.

flo8s967qjh0nd

An interview with Simon Coveney in Wednesday's Irish Examiner. Not sure whether the Event Centre debacle will be dealt with.

D'Agger

Nancy Unkempt Shop wrote: »

An interview with Simon Coveney in Wednesday's Irish Examiner. Not sure whether the Event Centre debacle will be dealt with.

If the Examiner had any journalistic integrity they'd hammer him on it

namloc1980

Probably told by his advisors not to ask any questions about it.

namloc1980

Donnchadh O Laoghaire raised the issue of the protracted Events Centre in the Dail yesterday. He got what can only be described as a waffle filled answer from Minister of State at the Department of Public Expenditure and Reform (Deputy Seán Canney). Basically he said construction is expected to commence in 2016. Link

Where have we heard that before??

flo8s967qjh0nd

Expected? 2016?
Jesus wept.

kub

This is a post i found elsewhere online and it is interesting what is written about the Events centre

Cork city center vacancy rates have dropped for two reasons , demolition of vacant units , relocation of units to make way for the demolition of an entire block fronting onto St. Patricks st , despite the number of units on the move significant units remain empty , a good indicator is the closure of the coffee pods on the Grand Parade , also notable is the Capitol development has booked out all the office space but has yet to find a tenant for the retail element , the Brewery Quarter is also in trouble as it seems the developers are having difficulty obtaining the full finance as financial institutions are concerned at the low level of interest shown in the retail element , the event center project may yet fall apart over this.

flo8s967qjh0nd

kub wrote: »

This is a post i found elsewhere online and it is interesting what is written about the Events centre

Cork city center vacancy rates have dropped for two reasons , demolition of vacant units , relocation of units to make way for the demolition of an entire block fronting onto St. Patricks st , despite the number of units on the move significant units remain empty , a good indicator is the closure of the coffee pods on the Grand Parade , also notable is the Capitol development has booked out all the office space but has yet to find a tenant for the retail element , the Brewery Quarter is also in trouble as it seems the developers are having difficulty obtaining the full finance as financial institutions are concerned at the low level of interest shown in the retail element , the event center project may yet fall apart over this.

I wasn't aware that the brewery had a major retail element. What's the source?

calnand

There's plans to put retail in the counting house section of it, but that's separate to the event centre.

P.lane78

Its looking very doubtful now, that this is happening. At least we have the marquee!!!

corkonion

P.lane78 wrote: »

Its looking very doubtful now, that this is happening. At least we have the marquee!!!

Don't be silly, Shur didn't Enda already turn the sod on it and Simon Coveney assured us it would start "any day now"

flo8s967qjh0nd

This week's statement in the Dail makes it clear government are washing their hands of it and preparing to shift all the blame for what comes next to the city council.
Simon Coveney, who has been so vocal on this and engineered the now legendary sod-turning hasn't mentioned it since.
It is like watching a car crash in slow motion.
Still nothing happening on site. Just offsite work for the Capitol. BAM and Heineken as quiet as ever.

ofcork

What coffee pods have closed and didnt realise that a tenant was still to be found for the retail space in the capitol.

KCAccidental

Weirdly, I still think it will happen, but in a much longer timeframe. I initially supported the Brewery quarter because it had other elements as well as revitalising a dying part of the city centre.

Beginning to think that being ambitious in Irish planning is a fools errand, better just to get it done ASAP on its own on Albert Quay!

AugustusMinimus

KCAccidental wrote: »

Weirdly, I still think it will happen, but in a much longer timeframe. I initially supported the Brewery quarter because it had other elements as well as revitalising a dying part of the city centre.

Beginning to think that being ambitious in Irish planning is a fools errand, better just to get it done ASAP on its own on Albert Quay!

Albert Quay would be completely the wrong Place though.

A concert venue in the business district and smack bang in the area of heaviest traffic in the city centre. The addition of the event centre would have resulted in mayhem.

Just look at Mahon Point.

ofcork

Wont happen on albert quay now as o callaghan has planning gone in for office development there now.

KCAccidental

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

Albert Quay would be completely the wrong Place though.

A concert venue in the business district and smack bang in the area of heaviest traffic in the city centre. The addition of the event centre would have resulted in mayhem.

Just look at Mahon Point.

totally agree with all of those points, it was by far the lesser of the two sites, but if the choice was between having it and not having to deal with all this ****e at the brewery quarter, only one answer!

Also know that it's not possible now.

flo8s967qjh0nd

I'm no expert but the way I see it, an bord pleanala granted BAM-Heineken permission for this on 23rd December 2011. That permission was for 5 years.
Now, even if this thing starts tomorrow (and pigs may fly), only a fraction of the work will be done by December.
Presumably this means a new application for planning permission, new appeals to ABP, etc. Are we looking at even more delays??

mire

You are correct. As far as I know, they did not apply for a 10 year permission so the 5 year term is up in July I think. My suspicion, however, is that this won't matter as there will be an application submitted for either revisions to the scheme (to include design modifications on the event centre part) or a more substantial set of changes to the other parts of the site. This is just my hunch.

Cape Clear

Jaysus Frank murphy will have his monument open for business before the event centre is built if it ever is at this rate. Amazing really how this project has been let go to ruin.

flo8s967qjh0nd

From today's Irish Examiner, makes for very depressing reading:

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cork-event-centre-developers-set-to-meet-councillors-404744.html

"It emerged last night that funding contracts for the stalled 6,000-seat venue have yet to be signed, and that the developers yesterday sought an extension to the scheme’s five-year planning permission window, fuelling fears that construction could be a long way off."

ofcork

Pj had a councillor on this morning they are looking for a meeting with the developers to get the update.

Fabio

http://www.eveningecho.ie/cork-news/briefing-cork-events-centre-delay/2330471/

bogman

Construction still hasn’t started four months after Enda Kenny turned the sod on the project just days before the general election.

Last February, Mr Kenny hailed the investment of up to €20m of public money — €12m from government and €8m from Cork City Council — amid promises that work would start within weeks.

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