Arsenal Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 ( Mod Note linked in OP 29/12)

symbolic

Ken Shamrock wrote: »

Too busy celebrating I guess

Possibly! haha

efb

efb wrote: »

I have more hope for Gab than Mert tbf

Well yeah, Mertesacker is 31 and has a season or 2 left.

efb wrote: »

I thought people here were crying out for a more physical player???

He was super "physical" against Costa. :rolleyes: Yellows cards doesn't mean "physical" and I think most people want players who play all the time, not just things going well. Though Gabriel ain't a stand-out with that issue.

Basil3 wrote: »

I have no idea, because I don't work for Arsenal, and don't have anything to do with the purchasing of players. I can say that Wenger has said:

"We look at interceptions, defensive errors, winning tackles - what we call tackles is committing to win the ball. Set piece receptions. These kind of things. But the most important thing is through the eye."

Yup, the eye is the most important. The same eye that got us Cygan, Senderos and Squillachi.

How am I being lazy? I'm just telling you that stats need context. Look at Ospina's winning stats - clearly he was the best keeper in the league last year, right?

I provided stats that I researched myself, I even checked some for other people (which didn't turn out how they'd hope).
By what metric? Ospina was fine last season, I was on record as saying that GK was one of the last places we needed a signing. Quick Google for last year's goalkeeping stats has an article with Chesney ranked highly before being dropped funnily enough.
Back to Paulista, he makes mistakes and I've yet to see any metric showing him to be good enough for a team of Arsenal's stature.

efb

Christ mr Roll eyes is popular

efb

Gab was failed by weak refereeing against Costa tbf

efb

efb wrote: »

Gab was failed by weak refereeing against Costa tbf

And his lack of a brain.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

I provided stats that I researched myself, I even checked some for other people (which didn't turn out how they'd hope).
By what metric? Ospina was fine last season, I was on record as saying that GK was one of the last places we needed a signing. Quick Google for last year's goalkeeping stats has an article with Chesney ranked highly before being dropped funnily enough.
Back to Paulista, he makes mistakes and I've yet to see any metric showing him to be good enough for a team of Arsenal's stature.

Well according to Squawka, only one of Kos, Mert and Gab have made a defensive error in the league this season. Guess which one? Hint: Not Mert or Gab.

If you look into the stats, Gabriel is doing worse this year than last, for whatever reason. I can give you loads of examples where statistically he is better than Kos and Mert. Last season he was better than Kos at interceptions, blocks, clearances and less defensive errors.

Back to my initial point. You use stats such as number of clean sheets to illustrate how poor Gabriel is. There are other stats out there that show he isn't as bad as you think.

efb

Deleted User wrote: »

And his lack of a brain.

Their ain't too many brainy footballers tbf

farna_boy

Reflecting on the game a little more, I wonder was the main problem last night that our midfield were essentially absent?

Cazorla and Sanchez were poor, I'm not sure about Coquelin but I don't think I heard his name until the final 20 minutes and Campbell was only so-so (Ozil had a good game though).

I know the defenders ultimately made the mistakes that lead to the goals but if the midfield had put in a better shift, the defence wouldn't have been under so much constant pressure.

I wonder if this is a common theme? In most games we win, we tend to dominate midfield and so the defence isn't under so much pressure because the midfield is closing down players, keeping possession or simply not allowing crosses and passes to come in. This wasn't happening last night though and so the defence was under constant threat and pressure meaning that a goal was almost inevitable.

Example: 1st goal


How does Alacantara have so much time to put in a cross? What the hell is Cazorla doing?

2nd Example: 3rd goal


For a start, Monreal is marking two players and Cazorla is just brushed off the ball. If you watch the video (on Arsenalist) you would also see Campbell and Sanchez strolling around the place even after we lost the ball.

3rd Example: Alaba Shot


Look at our midfield. Seriously. Now it looks like the ball is just after coming out to Alaba, but no it was actually closer to the half way line before this screenshot. Why are the midfield so deep? They are all currently strolling out at this stage as well by the way. Why aren't they making any attempt yo push up the field? Alaba has all the time in the world to take the shot and there is only a half arsed attempt made to close him down.

Mr Blobby

farna_boy wrote: »

Reflecting on the game a little more, I wonder was the main problem last night that our midfield were essentially absent?

Cazorla and Sanchez were poor, I'm not sure about Coquelin but I don't think I heard his name until the final 20 minutes and Campbell was only so-so (Ozil had a good game though).

I know the defenders ultimately made the mistakes that lead to the goals but if the midfield had put in a better shift, the defence wouldn't have been under so much constant pressure.

I wonder if this is a common theme? In most games we win, we tend to dominate midfield and so the defence isn't under so much pressure because the midfield is closing down players, keeping possession or simply not allowing crosses and passes to come in. This wasn't happening last night though and so the defence was under constant threat and pressure meaning that a goal was almost inevitable.

Example: 1st goal

How does Alacantara have so much time to put in a cross? What the hell is Cazorla doing?

2nd Example: 3rd goal

For a start, Monreal is marking two players and Cazorla is just brushed off the ball. If you watch the video (on Arsenalist) you would also see Campbell and Sanchez strolling around the place even after we lost the ball.

3rd Example: Alaba Shot

Look at our midfield. Seriously. Now it looks like the ball is just after coming out to Alaba, but no it was actually closer to the half way line before this screenshot. Why are the midfield so deep? They are all currently strolling out at this stage as well by the way. Why aren't they making any attempt yo push up the field? Alaba has all the time in the world to take the shot and there is only a half arsed attempt made to close him down.

Good post!
I think it was a mix of both midfield and the forwards.
We had no outlet from defence. When we tried to counter we lacked pace and lost possession. Bayern pressed us the entire match and because we had no Theo they could play a very high line without worrying about being caught out. Our midfield struggled with the numbers Bayern were able to press us with.

gosplan

No, people, just no.

We conceded 5 last night because we were jogging around the pitch in an away game to one of the most dangerous teams on the planet.

Whining about it misses the point that it was exactly what we needed to do.

Gabriel's mistake for the first was the problem. Then it becomes a training session.

The instructions from the boss at that point should have been

No sprinting!

No dangerous challenges!

emmetlego

I can't believe the outrage at a game we never had any hope going into. We were always going to lose this one. I still think we'll qualify. We'll win both games by 2 or 3 goals and get the runners up spot... That's if Bayern don't cock up and lose to both of them!!!

When I knew Theo was out along with Bellerin and Ox was gone as back up, our direct running was all taken away, and this was crucial in our win last day out.

They are a killing machine and they were in top form. I assure you, there'll be big clubs beaten by bigger scores by Munchen this year!

tayto lover

emmetlego wrote: »

I can't believe the outrage at a game we never had any hope going into. We were always going to lose this one. I still think we'll qualify. We'll win both games by 2 or 3 goals and get the runners up spot... That's if Bayern don't cock up and lose to both of them!!!

When I knew Theo was out along with Bellerin and Ox was gone as back up, our direct running was all taken away, and this was crucial in our win last day out.

They are a killing machine and they were in top form. I assure you, there'll be big clubs beaten by bigger scores by Munchen this year!

I'd rather we were out of all the cups and totally focused on the EPL.
However that defending was unforgivable and shows the lack of decent back-up.

gosplan

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd rather we were out of all the cups and totally focused on the EPL.
However that defending was unforgivable and shows the lack of decent back-up.

It's grand. It's just us being pragmatic for a change.

A huge amount if defending is about sheer effort. That was a training match. Even Bayern stopped trying.

efb

farna_boy wrote: »

Reflecting on the game a little more, I wonder was the main problem last night that our midfield were essentially absent?

Cazorla and Sanchez were poor, I'm not sure about Coquelin but I don't think I heard his name until the final 20 minutes and Campbell was only so-so (Ozil had a good game though).

I know the defenders ultimately made the mistakes that lead to the goals but if the midfield had put in a better shift, the defence wouldn't have been under so much constant pressure.

I wonder if this is a common theme? In most games we win, we tend to dominate midfield and so the defence isn't under so much pressure because the midfield is closing down players, keeping possession or simply not allowing crosses and passes to come in. This wasn't happening last night though and so the defence was under constant threat and pressure meaning that a goal was almost inevitable.

Example: 1st goal


How does Alacantara have so much time to put in a cross? What the hell is Cazorla doing?

2nd Example: 3rd goal


For a start, Monreal is marking two players and Cazorla is just brushed off the ball. If you watch the video (on Arsenalist) you would also see Campbell and Sanchez strolling around the place even after we lost the ball.

3rd Example: Alaba Shot


Look at our midfield. Seriously. Now it looks like the ball is just after coming out to Alaba, but no it was actually closer to the half way line before this screenshot. Why are the midfield so deep? They are all currently strolling out at this stage as well by the way. Why aren't they making any attempt yo push up the field? Alaba has all the time in the world to take the shot and there is only a half arsed attempt made to close him down.

Agreed our midfield weren't great at holding onto the ball at all meaning our defenders were under pressure all the time

Bobby Baccala

tayto lover wrote: »

I'd rather we were out of all the cups and totally focused on the EPL.
However that defending was unforgivable and shows the lack of decent back-up.

Agree with all this, we might get away with that back 4 we played last night against the lower table bpl sides but against Munich it's clearly not good enough. We need to get rid of Debuchy and call back Jenkinson imo.

If only Koscielny could stay fit for more than 3 or 4 games at a time as well. He really compliments Gabriel and Mert when he plays with either one.

efb

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

@efb the amount you post in this thread is a bit ott, given the fact your posts have little or no substance to them

Anyone else want to back seat mod me???

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

Anyone else want to back seat mod me???

How is that back seat modding. All he said was that you make a LOT of posts in this thread, and the figures back that up. And I think everyone can agree not everything you post is Arsenal related and very few are longer than single or double sentences.

efb

Quazzie wrote: »

How is that back seat modding. All he said was that you make a LOT of posts in this thread, and the figures back that up. And I think everyone can agree not everything you post is Arsenal related and very few are longer than single or double sentences.

He said it was OTT, what non football was there???

If it's a one sentence point why ramble???

It seems unless you are singing from the one hymn sheet people seem to take issue

I take my instructions from the mods in that regard

efb

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

@efb the amount you post in this thread is a bit ott, given the fact your posts have little or no substance to them

Ironic you talk about no substance with nothing to back up your statement btw

efb

gosplan wrote: »

No, people, just no.

We conceded 5 last night because we were jogging around the pitch in an away game to one of the most dangerous teams on the planet.

Whining about it misses the point that it was exactly what we needed to do.

Gabriel's mistake for the first was the problem. Then it becomes a training session.

The instructions from the boss at that point should have been

No sprinting!

No dangerous challenges!

I agree 100%

We have a big game this weekend why do possible damage needlessly chasing a lost cause??

Quazzie

efb wrote: »

He said it was OTT, what non football was there???

If it's a one sentence point why ramble???

It seems unless you are singing from the one hymn sheet people seem to take issue

I take my instructions from the mods in that regard

efb wrote: »

Ironic you talk about no substance with nothing to back up your statement btw

efb wrote: »

I agree 100%

We have a big game this weekend why do possible damage needlessly chasing a lost cause??

3 posts in a row, with #2 being a perfect example of a post with no substance.

Bobby Baccala

efb wrote: »

Ironic you talk about no substance with nothing to back up your statement btw

Ehm your own post history alone backs up my statement :pac:

omega man

Take it outside lads ;-)

emergingstar

I logged on too see a lot of pages of posts (which I won't read)

2 points...............

1) we must have lost with this amount of activity

2) do some lads only have Brodband after a defeat or how does it work???????!

gosplan

efb wrote: »

I agree 100%

We have a big game this weekend why do possible damage needlessly chasing a lost cause??

And that's the thing that shocks me. So many people buying into the lazy narrative from RTE last night.

'It's a disgrace Bill, ashamed they should be.'

No, people no. We've counted the cost of European efforts too many times.

A proper league challenge and no one will care about last night.

brianregan09

Said it last night it's only quite when things are going well because a certain group of posters are busy sharpening the knives for when we lose

I know United and Liverpool fans are a little delusional and mental but so are a certain amount of arsenal fans , heard someone say over at the west ham game that wenger should have gone long ago and Pardew should be in .......I nearly died

ronjo

Bloody hell, that's 20 minutes of my life I won't get back reading all that

Last night was shambolic but I kind of agree with Gosplan. It was really like the number one narrative was 'no more injuries" which is really crap for the fans who spent a fortune getting there and is only remotely justifiable if we win on Sunday.

Even if we had won last night we would still need to win the last two games so no major ground lost.

gosplan

brianregan09 wrote: »

Said it last night it's only quite when things are going well because a certain group of posters are busy sharpening the knives for when we lose

I know United and Liverpool fans are a little delusional and mental but so are a certain amount of arsenal fans , heard someone say over at the west ham game that wenger should have gone long ago and Pardew should be in .......I nearly died

Wenger and the club have roughy that on themselves though.

They didn't prioritise trophies and people have grown impatient.

Two things to remember:

1: while the club was focused on the future, supporters were shelling out record prices for the present

2: it's easier to say 'jogging around and not trying vrs Bayern was correct' when you didn't just spend a grand going over and back to watch it.

brianregan09

Of course I feel sorry for the fans it would be ridiculous not , but look that is the pitfalls of football in general for every 5-1 defeat in Munich you have a 1-0 in the Bernabeu etc

I'm talking about people posting this player is ****e and that player aint fit to wear the shirt daily mail type stuff sometimes in here, we had a plan last night and unfortunatley we were undone by an early munich goal up to last week we'd a settled back four

Take 2 out of that and put 2 players lacking in match sharpness (especially debuchy) and come up against one of the best attacks in europe and you're going to have a bad time, But we did try and almost got back to 4-2 there at one , hell we'd a ****ing goal disallowed at 1-0 how different things might be

If we go and balls up the NLD i'll gladly put my hand up and say I was wrong but until then i'm sticking to my guns we have a great side here and things just didn't go our way in Munich last night

efb

brianregan09 wrote: »

Of course I feel sorry for the fans it would be ridiculous not , but look that is the pitfalls of football in general for every 5-1 defeat in Munich you have a 1-0 in the Bernabeu etc

I'm talking about people posting this player is ****e and that player aint fit to wear the shirt daily mail type stuff sometimes in here, we had a plan last night and unfortunatley we were undone by an early munich goal up to last week we'd a settled back four

Take 2 out of that and put 2 players lacking in match sharpness (especially debuchy) and come up against one of the best attacks in europe and you're going to have a bad time, But we did try and almost got back to 4-2 there at one , hell we'd a ****ing goal disallowed at 1-0 how different things might be

If we go and balls up the NLD i'll gladly put my hand up and say I was wrong but until then i'm sticking to my guns we have a great side here and things just didn't go our way in Munich last night

Well we aren't as good as BM, that's the cold hard fact

We can't challenge on all fronts, we are in a good position in the league, let's focus on that

efb

emergingstar wrote: »

I logged on too see a lot of pages of posts (which I won't read)

2 points...............

1) we must have lost with this amount of activity

2) do some lads only have Brodband after a defeat or how does it work???????!

Some people only criticise, Eamon Dumphy wannabes

Dozen Wicked Words

MOD. Far too much personalisation of posts today, there is an ignore function for a reason. If you don't like someone's posts, put them on ignore, it's unfair to single out individual posters, no matter how annoying you find them or their posting style. You all, I'd imagine, support the same team, who are doing relatively well, hefty reverses to German team aside, so it seems like a total waste of energy to bicker and back bite with each other. If you think someone is trolling, report it.

tayto lover

gosplan wrote: »

And that's the thing that shocks me. So many people buying into the lazy narrative from RTE last night.

'It's a disgrace Bill, ashamed they should be.'

No, people no. We've counted the cost of European efforts too many times.

A proper league challenge and no one will care about last night.

Agree BUT it makes 4th place meaningless too and our eagerness to achieve it in the past years was fake. I have always said if we're in it then it should be to win it but clearly our panels of players have been too small and not good enough.

emmetlego

tayto lover wrote: »

Agree BUT it makes 4th place meaningless too and our eagerness to achieve it in the past years was fake. I have always said if we're in it then it should be to win it but clearly our panels of players have been too small and not good enough.

Disagree completely. We get extra cash for that alone, and being in the UCL attracts the better players. Surely you can see that?

efb

gosplan wrote: »

Wenger and the club have roughy that on themselves though.

They didn't prioritise trophies and people have grown impatient.

Two things to remember:

1: while the club was focused on the future, supporters were shelling out record prices for the present

2: it's easier to say 'jogging around and not trying vrs Bayern was correct' when you didn't just spend a grand going over and back to watch it.

No one puts a gun to their head, they go to support Arsenal

emmetlego

efb wrote: »

No one puts a gun to their head, they go to support Arsenal

Absolutely correct, but it does give them a very f****ng valid reason to be very p1ss3d off!!!

tayto lover

emmetlego wrote: »

Disagree completely. We get extra cash for that alone, and being in the UCL attracts the better players. Surely you can see that?

If we're only trying to achieve fourth place in order to get more money into our coffers which we probably won't spend then it's the height of treachery towards the paying fans.
Who do you think would want to join that team last night with our defence in a shambles?

symbolic

tayto lover wrote: »

Who do you think would want to join that team last night with our defence in a shambles?

Ozil. Sanchez.

efb

emmetlego wrote: »

Absolutely correct, but it does give them a very f****ng valid reason to be very p1ss3d off!!!

Yes, not posters in another country.

If f we don't bother against Zagreb when I'm over I'll understand why

tayto lover

symbolic wrote: »

Ozil. Sanchez.

Henry, RVP, Nasri etc.

Watch this space. As someone said earlier we could lose our good players if they see our lack of ambition.

My ambition is to win the EPL this season as i've said countless times.

efb

tayto lover wrote: »

Henry, RVP, Nasri etc.

Watch this space. As someone said earlier we could lose our good players if they see our lack of ambition.

My ambition is to win the EPL this season as i've said countless times.

If we finish second is that failure?

symbolic

tayto lover wrote: »

Watch this space. As someone said earlier we could lose our good players if they see our lack of ambition.

Well fingers crossed they don't spot it so.

My ambition is to win the EPL this season as i've said countless times.

Good work

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

If we finish second is that failure?

Yes.
Even in our golf roll-up there's nothing for second.
The winner takes it all.

symbolic

MY(ha) ambition is League, Champions League and FA Cup. You all lack ambition!!

Bobby Baccala

We've a very good chance of winning the league this year given the fact city are our only real rival for it. Chelsea are fúcked and won't be retaining the title, United are sketchy at best, have a shocking back 4 and are only a couple of injuries away from the likes of paddy mcnair starting games, and well Liverpool are Liverpool.

City do look great this season, they've a better squad than us imo. They look a lot less beatable than we do.

efb

I wouldn't consider 2nd a failure unless the league was in our grasp and we let it slip

tayto lover

efb wrote: »

I wouldn't consider 2nd a failure unless the league was in our grasp and we let it slip

Nobody remembers who came second. No trophy either.

emmetlego

tayto lover wrote: »

Nobody remembers who came second. No trophy either.

It's an improvement. But yes I see where you come from.

As for your previous reply.
If we're only trying to achieve fourth place in order to get more money into our coffers which we probably won't spend then it's the height of treachery towards the paying fans.
Who do you think would want to join that team last night with our defence in a shambles?
Yet again, you avoided the question. I'm not going down that road again where you cannot admit you made a mistake. It's fruitless.

tayto lover

emmetlego wrote: »

Disagree completely. We get extra cash for that alone, and being in the UCL attracts the better players. Surely you can see that?

If that's the question then it's been answered.
I cannot see the point in finishing fourth unless we strengthen and try and win the feckin' thing.

FourFourRED

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