Bands who change there singers

Links234

Sorry, but Dio was just way better than Ozzy all round.

Schwiiing

I spy a few metal fans but no mention of Tarja leaving Nightwish. They've written some top stuff since but none of her successors sound as good as Tarja did.

rubadub

PTH2009 wrote: »

What bands would not benefit from changing there lead singers ???..


It has worked for some bands changing leads eg Acdc, Fleetwood Mac, iron maiden, van halen, the dubliners and thin Lizzy to a small extent.

How do you mean benefit? better sales, better critical acclaim? if a lead singer dies new ones are usually less acceptable, sometimes its sentimentality but often its legit. You say it "worked" for the dubliners, worked how? did they get more critical acclaim when Luke Kelly died, not that they even had a single lead singer, of course Ronnie also passed away and I have never heard it said that they are better for it so don't see how it "worked". Same with Thin Lizzy.

I would expect the only bands people would say would benefit are ones they already dislike, or maybe have it in for the lead singer, it did not surprise me to see U2 mentioned. Would have expected oasis & the rolling stones to possibly be there too, I know oasis are split but it would likely mean noel would just takeover vocals, and many despise liam.

Links234

Schwiiing wrote: »

I spy a few metal fans but no mention of Tarja leaving Nightwish. They've written some top stuff since but none of her successors sound as good as Tarja did.

Yeah I do agree, Floor Jansen is amazing, and I did like Anette Olzon, but you know what? Marco's the best Nightwish singer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=--tFFz44zvc

Schwiiing

Links234 wrote: »

Yeah I do agree, Floor Jansen is amazing, and I did like Anette Olzon, but you know what? Marco's the best Nightwish singer

When I hear his version of Sleeping Sun I might agree, but until then, no.

Azalea

sheesh wrote: »

genisis ummmm

Yes, when Phil Collins took over vocals from Peter Gabriel.

Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion: in this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Links234

Something else I was thinking of, rather than changing singer, the band Versailles split and most of the members just straight away formed a new band with a new singer, Jupiter. I think that worked out rather well, as Jupiter can stand on their own and you don't really get the issue of constantly comparing the new singer to the old, even though it's practically the same band.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AWMY5oXKK5M

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xQM778WyeE

Still kinda sad I never got to see Versailles live

Schwiiing

^ Only in Japan. And I ****ing love them for it.

KungPao

Joy Division/New Order is an interesting one. 1st singer was superior and had character but after he died they went super electro and got super big. Would they have turned into electro gods with Ian Curtis?

Van Halen were better with Roth. No contest.

I saw "Nirvana" play a while back on TV with different singers for each song...terrible stuff. Cobain was the essence of the band and sound.

Foreigner are still going, but with all random people doing the donkey work while one or two original members are still there. Just not the same without that bloke with the perm-mullet.

Sir Osis of Liver.

Haven't heard much from The Glitter Band lately.

Perhaps a new frontman could put them top of the hit parade again.

Links234

One really interesting band is Journey, because listening to them now, you wouldn't even notice they changed singer since Arnel is such a spot-on vocal doppelganger for Steve Perry it's not even funny. Just compare the two performances:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEVKoeVYugA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-7I1dRo7WQ

Ursus Horribilis

Pink Floyd. Their original frontman Syd Barrett left the band after their first album to be replaced by a little known singer/guitarist called David Gilmour.

Wrongway1985

KungPao wrote: »

Foreigner are still going, but with all random people doing the donkey work while one or two original members are still there. Just not the same without that bloke with the perm-mullet.

Mick Jones is the only original member, Kelly Hansen is a much better singer than Lou Gramm (certainly these days) but has only done one album, Foreigner actually changed their singer before but that didn't go so well they had to bring Gramm back.

GaryTLynch

What about when the singer is the last remaining original member of the band? Leaving the legal arguments out of it (rights to the band name, song writing credits etc), should the singer continue to use the band name, continue as a solo artist or form a new band altogether? I suppose the most famous (or infamous) example of this scenario is Axl Rose and the Guns N Roses name.

bodhrandude

Azalea wrote: »

Yes, when Phil Collins took over vocals from Peter Gabriel.

Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums.
Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion: in this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

I would say it was more the album And Then There was Three and the hit single Follow You Follow Me in 1977 that sealed Collins vocal involvement with Genesis.

Bobby Baccala

Jefferson Airplane went through a lot of singers, some great and some a bit meh. What a band though!

sligojoek

Deep Purple. Ian Gillan and David Coverdale were two fine singers. When Ritchie left they were never the same.

unjedilike

Azalea wrote:

Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion: in this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock.

Read this again and pretend you're Patrick Bateman.

unjedilike

Also Pearl Jam

Anesthetize

KungPao wrote: »

Joy Division/New Order is an interesting one. 1st singer was superior and had character but after he died they went super electro and got super big. Would they have turned into electro gods with Ian Curtis?

I believe Joy Division would have ended up sounding like New Order anyway. They were already using synths around the time of Closer so there were signs that they were going in that direction.

ToddyDoody

PTH2009 wrote: »

What bands would not benefit from changing there lead singers ???

I think you use 'their' in this context.

Carry on )

Kev W

When the Misfits replaced Danzig with Michale Graves they became a completely different band, but still a great one.

Anesthetize

Kev W wrote: »

When the Misfits replaced Danzig with Michale Graves they became a completely different band, but still a great one.

I thought they became a very average band living off the Misfits brand. They became more like a franchise.

To me the Misfits ended when Danzig quit.

Kev W

Anesthetize wrote: »

I thought they became a very average band living off the Misfits brand. They became more like a franchise.

To me the Misfits ended when Danzig quit.

The fact that I came to know them through the 90s stuff first and then the original stuff may be the difference here.

I'd agree with your description applied to the current incarnation, though.

Son0vagun

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

Close? He was better. If Tony hadn't been paranoid from years of cocaine use that version of the band could have gone on for years. Dio could not only sing but write songs which Ozzy couldn't.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-og87crqsCE

Sorry I disagree. Sabbath with Ozzy were the greatest Hard Rock group, with Dio they were just another band. And Dio could not write songs like Geezer could back in the Ozzy years.

jimgoose

Judas Priest just wouldn't be Judas Priest without Rob Halford.

asherbassad

Strumms wrote: »

How many bands went on to become either equally as good or better / successful having changed their lead singer for someone else.... It just doesn't work.

huh?

Have you ever heard of Iron Maiden?

Bonzo Delaney

Guns n Roses is a strange one where the lead singer got rid/alienated the rest of the band an then it all went to muc.
The rest of the band continued on as basically guns n roses with out axl,
with moderate success trading on
Slash's name. A perfect example that no band member is bigger than the sum of the parts.

tigerboon

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

Jefferson Airplane went through a lot of singers, some great and some a bit meh. What a band though!

Jefferson Starship Blows Against the Empire on in the background right now. JA were, in my opinion, the band of the sixties. Some of the early seventies Jefferson Starship and side projects is brilliant as well. Their eighties Starship stuff was pure crap though!

bnt

Any Marillion fans here? I have some sad news for you: Fish left the band back in 1988, and it looks like the new (?) guy - Bogart or whatever his name is - isn't going to step aside any time soon ... :P

PTH2009

Links234 wrote: »

One really interesting band is Journey, because listening to them now, you wouldn't even notice they changed singer since Arnel is such a spot-on vocal doppelganger for Steve Perry it's not even funny. Just compare the two performances:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jEVKoeVYugA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-7I1dRo7WQ

arnel is an amazing singer hes huge in his native country. I remember going to journey/foreigner in the o2 in 2011 and there were more philopinos there than irish.

Azalea

unjedilike wrote: »

Read this again and pretend you're Patrick Bateman.

Zat's ze joke

bodhrandude

Leftfield made a nice comeback in 2010 using a few different vocalists, although I don't know if Toni Halliday sang the original Orignal live with the band the first time round in 1994/95, but the singer here does a decent enough job at RockNess festival in 2010.