Season 6 | Episode 4 | Here's Not Here [AMC] [SPOILERS]

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The Walking Dead - Season 6

Episode 4 - "Here's Not Here"

Airdate - November 1st on AMC at 9/8c | November 2nd on FOX UK at 9pm

A new face appears; trust issues form.

This episode introduces a new face to the show. With all that's gone on in the apocalypse, can people be trusted? Better yet, can they change?

This is an extended 90 minute episode (including commercial breaks)

Promo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBWiBFjMw40

Sneak Peek 1

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlUSfMlmFAU

Sneak Peek 2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-F0lFLSpzo

Kirby

8

That was very good. I enjoyed that.

I do wonder if he was going to go back in and finish him off at the end. He heard the shout from the gate and went running but I really think he was about to do it. Notice the way he did lock the gate. He didnt leave it open.

clever user name

6

It wasn't too bad, perhaps a bit long. I liked the psychiatrist guy, shame he died.

Username exists

Another week to wait to learn the fate of Glenn and were those his giblets the gang were milling into.

5starpool

6

I was hoping it wasn't going to be entirely based on the Morgan flashback, but it was still decent enough. You'd assume that given how much time was dedicated to the backstory that he won't be dying anytime soon then.

Great episode. Sure it's away from the main story, but I would happily watch Lennie James doing absolutely everything. He's an absolutely fantastic actor.

So was the guy Morgan captured Crighton Dallas Wilton? I thought Eastman had killed him.

clever user name

6

Deleted User wrote: »

Great episode. Sure it's away from the main story, but I would happily watch Lennie James doing absolutely everything. He's an absolutely fantastic actor.

So was the guy Morgan captured Crighton Dallas Wilton? I thought Eastman had killed him.

No I don't think so. Personally I think it had more to do with Morgans new 'philosophy' about all life being precious. He has been refusing to kill anyone, but it looks like he's starting to realize that in some cases this just won't work. Inner dilemma sort of thing.

Oh, just the way that he went on to mention Eastman's kids made me wonder if there was some connection there, but likely was just repeating some of the story.

5starpool

6

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh, just the way that he went on to mention Eastman's kids made me wonder if there was some connection there, but likely was just repeating some of the story.

Ya, the same thing briefly occurred to me, but I'm pretty sure they were just creating parallels between 2 people who have no hope of actual redemption.

Hazys

expectationlost wrote: »

Al Bundy!, Ed O'Neill he's really big into martial arts in real life, which I think you could see, although he has a black belt in Brazilian jiu-jitsu not Akido

Kirkman said all the way back in 2012 he'd love to give him a part http://moviepilot.com/posts/752534?lt_source=external,manual

That wasn't Al Bundy lol

expectationlost

Hazys wrote: »

That wasn't Al Bundy lol

whoops http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/John_Carroll_Lynch I still have feeling the part was written for Ed O'Neill and then for reason he didn't do it.

Beastermc

Hazys wrote:

That wasn't Al Bundy lol

Yeah was just gonna say that..John Carroll lunch is your mans name..though I was gone mad there for a minute!

Beastermc

5starpool wrote:

Ya, the same thing briefly occurred to me, but I'm pretty sure they were just creating parallels between 2 people who have no hope of actual redemption.

Yeah I thought the same, that the wolf is truly evil person just like Crichton Dallas. But your man Eastwood regretted killing Crichton and still even buried him afterwords, so I doubt Morgan would actually kill the wolf himself, maybe try and keep it the fact that the wolf is locked up a secret, until someone like Carole finds out and kills the wolf without hesitation. But Morgan will probably still bury the wolf, like your man did.

Hyzepher

And yet again Morgan's hesitation got someone else killed.

5starpool

6

Hyzepher wrote: »

And yet again Morgan's hesitation got someone else killed.

And again in an unbelievable way. No way would he have saved Morgan like that. Push away the walker and everyone lives. Better still, poke him in the head.

Lone Stone

2

Meh fairly crap episode i thought. just nothing interesting about it. Was there any reason that guy had to get bitten in such a retarded way, that whole thing could have happened with out him being bit and it would have been a nice change from the norm. but ow well.

expectationlost

hey let me teach you about not killing anyone after not revealing that I'll killed the guy i rally wanted to

Sudden Valley

5

The training scene at the river was like something out of an eighties movie. Was really bored by the majority of this episode. Morgan just seems to be going to make a few bad decisions and put everyone in danger.

Snake Plisken

8

Great episode I actually got more emotional watching this episode then last weeks episode probably down to the great performance from John Carroll Lynch as Eastman. Morgan told the Wolf his story about Eastman but the scumbag sides with the guy who liked Eastman's family. Anyway I gave that episode a 9 and it deserved the longer runtime to flesh out Morgan's backstory.

obriendj

5

Gave it a six
Good performance by Eastman, shame he is not sticking around. (pun intended) and it was nice to see Morgans transition from being crazy in that town to the over sympathetic do-good-er but it was a filler episode and extended one.
Like others i was bored and i know there will be some people who will say "if you didn't like that episode you don't like the walking dead." and so be it.
I don't like leaving an episode on a cliff hanger then we are left hanging the next week. They started this in Season 3 when the Governor was introduced and seem to have kept it going.

Nervous Wreck

I think many of you are nuts. Fantastic episode imo. This actually makes me want to re-read the early days of the comics.

I really enjoyed how they just took the character and brought us through his journey without having to rely on the main story/characters. They took an interesting character and developed him further. Eastman was fantastic and his demise, though inevitable, was a sad shame. This contextualises everything we've seen of Morgan since he resurfaced way back when.

This is also an important episode because, in many ways, it's about Rick. Always the hero of the story, Rick has gone down a dark path and many of the characters believe e can't come back from there. This episode places Morgan where Rick was, morally, at the beginning of season 2, while showing how he got there from where Rick is headed to now. It's not just about Morgan's redemption; it's about Rick's opportunity to seize the same redemption for himself.

John_D80

1

First bump in the road for an otherwise very good season so far. That episode was beyond dull. Painful to watch in places.

Gunslinger92

Yeah I thought that was excellent!

duridian

8

Beastermc wrote: »

Hazys wrote:

That wasn't Al Bundy lol

Yeah was just gonna say that..John Carroll

lunch

is your mans name..though I was gone mad there for a minute!

Fixed it for you

Flippyfloppy

1

I thought it was a good episode but would have been better placed as episode no.5. The cliffhanger of episode three is just too immense to have to sit through '90' minutes of Morgan's development. I don't care about his development, not that I don't love the character, but I was at peace that he's at peace anyway. I didn't even really care about him and the wolves, until the final scene there.

Liam McPoyle

John_D80 wrote: »

First bump in the road for an otherwise very good season so far. That episode was beyond dull. Painful to watch in places.

I dont understand why people question things like this. All shows have budgets, they cannot all go hell for leather in every episode, much like the episode in Breaking Bad with the fly, a "down" episode is sometimes needed to keep costs down and this one was excellent (aside from Eastman's death).

The first three episodes in this season were breathless in their pace so I thought this episode was fantastic with brilliantly believable acting, particularly from John Carroll Lynch as Eastman.

Thats 4 superb episodes thus far and its fast becoming my favourite season to date.

Monife

2

Business Cat wrote: »

I dont understand why people question things like this. All shows have budgets, they cannot all go hell for leather in every episode, much like the episode in Breaking Bad with the fly, a "down" episode is sometimes needed to keep costs down and this one was excellent (aside from Eastman's death).

The first three episodes in this season were breathless in their pace so I thought this episode was fantastic with brilliantly believable acting, particularly from John Carroll Lynch as Eastman.

Thats 4 superb episodes thus far and its fast becoming my favourite season to date.

They don't need to have one seriously boring episode just to save money. Why not take a little action out of one of the fast paced ones? Anyway, I doubt AMC is worried about budget, I'd say TWD is one of their highest grossing series.

I really like Morgan but I was seriously disappointed the whole episode was about him. It's awful having to wait two weeks to find out Glenn's fate and see the aftermath of last week.

Found myself really hoping after each break that it would go back to Alexandria but it didn't

Worst episode in a long time!

RoryMac

4

Didn't like that episode at all, not a fan of Morgan and found the whole thing cheesy with the Karate Kid style training.

I'd hoped for more from Morgan's return, that he'd be a counter balance to Rick's lack of humanity but he's just a liability. He's out of touch with the reality of the world this is costing people their lives.

This episode has me worried he's here for the long run but hopefully he'll get munched before the season finishes

John_D80

1

Business Cat wrote: »

I dont understand why people question things like this. All shows have budgets, they cannot all go hell for leather in every episode, much like the episode in Breaking Bad with the fly, a "down" episode is sometimes needed to keep costs down and this one was excellent (aside from Eastman's death).

The first three episodes in this season were breathless in their pace so I thought this episode was fantastic with brilliantly believable acting, particularly from John Carroll Lynch as Eastman.

Thats 4 superb episodes thus far and its fast becoming my favourite season to date.

Eh, I'm not questioning anything. Offering my opinion. Episode was dull as dishwater. Wouldnt have been out of place in season 2.

How do you know that it is anything to do with budget constraints or trying to keep costs down? Or is this just a theory of yours? Would love to see where you got that info if it is indeed based in fact.

DoozerT6

RoryMac wrote: »

Didn't like that episode at all, not a fan of Morgan and found the whole thing cheesy with the Karate Kid style training.

I'd hoped for more from Morgan's return, that he'd be a counter balance to Rick's lack of humanity but he's just a liability. He's out of touch with the reality of the world this is costing people their lives.

This episode has me worried he's here for the long run but hopefully he'll get munched before the season finishes

I wouldn't necessarily say he's out of touch, he's seen plenty 'out there', but maybe he's just desperately trying to retain the humanity that he very nearly lost. Time will tell whether he succeeds.

The Wolf in the basement

will probably be either his downfall or his salvation.

I enjoyed it overall. I'm glad to see other people there who haven't taken the psycho route, like Eastman (letting

that guy starve to death

notwithstanding) and that couple in the woods that Morgan saved from the walker. Sometimes it is nice to step away from the utter madness that is the rest of the series, and realise that other stuff happens too.

RoryMac

4

DoozerT6 wrote: »

I wouldn't necessarily say he's out of touch, he's seen plenty 'out there', but maybe he's just desperately trying to retain the humanity that he very nearly lost. Time will tell whether he succeeds.

The Wolf in the basement

will probably be either his downfall or his salvation.

I enjoyed it overall. I'm glad to see other people there who haven't taken the psycho route, like Eastman (letting

that guy starve to death

notwithstanding) and that couple in the woods that Morgan saved from the walker. Sometimes it is nice to step away from the utter madness that is the rest of the series, and realise that other stuff happens too.

Yeah I suppose my issue is more with how the writers so far have portrayed that most of the time when Morgan has shown his human side it has come back and bitten him & the group.

I'm not sure why it needed to be Morgan's fault for Eastman to get bitten & the Wolves he let go earlier in the season.

It doesn't give viewers(me anyway) a solid alternative to Rick's take no prisoners style.

Mr.Nice Guy

6

Seems to be a divisive episode. I would be in the camp that liked it. I do enjoy episodes which focus on the emotional element; and they made me care about Eastman, as well as feel a bit more understanding towards Morgan's benevolent motives.

Despite liking it, I find it's stretching things to believe Morgan could have the skills of Donatello with the staff and take out multiple foes based on a few months of lessons tops.

Also, letting the guy live at the end is something I'm not sure even Dale would have supported. It's obvious this is going to lead to disaster and it makes Morgan look dumb.

With regards this episode being the first bump of the season, I would say Metal Gear Carol with her running around stealth-style taking out enemies, as well as the scene with Glenn which I'm pretty sure is going to infuriate me when we find out what happens, would be much bumpier moments so far. But that's just me.

Irish_rat

3

That episode felt so long and quite boring. It really wont add much to the whole story.

Deedsie

7

I thought that was an excellent episode. Probably the best acting any episode of the walking dead has seen. Granted it was basically just two characters. I actually enjoy the extended wait to find out Glen's fate. He surely can't be dead?

mahamageehad

6

I quite enjoyed the episode, despite thinking I'd hate it. I did just groan and think "have you learned nothing" at the end though when he left the guy live. If he does get out and end up killing someone I'll be pissed.

Potential spoiler regarding the Glen thing:

It was pointed out on Den of Geek that Glen (Steven Yeun) was missing form the opening credits.

Make of that what you will.

PropJoe10

9

I thought that episode was excellent and really worthwhile. Showed a different side to the show, and what it means to be human in that world. Really top acting by the two guys involved.

charlietheminxx

8

I personally loved this episode. Thought it was not just backstory for the sake of it, it was poignant and an example of some skilfully executed writing and acting. This season is excellent so far.

The Talking Bread

9

Irish_rat wrote: »

That episode felt so long and quite boring. It really wont add much to the whole story.

Morgan is going to become almost a chief protagonist henceforth so Id say that episode added a lot to it. The acting was superb and like Breaking Bads episode Fly (I amn't arsed go ogling to check name but I think it's Fly) those episodes break up the series. One of the main reasons behind it also was to keep us on the edge re Glenn and set up Ricks problems with the Wolves.

So what was it that Rick shouted at the very end?

Charlie19

5

Waiting all week for some confirmation on whether or not Glen is actually dead and nothing. While i do think he's dead but would just like to know for sure.

The Talking Bread

9

PropJoe10 wrote: »

I thought that episode was excellent and really worthwhile. Showed a different side to the show, and what it means to be human in that world. Really top acting by the two guys involved.

Exactly. It's not all about Anarchy and survival. It is also about adapting and living. And trying to leave a legacy.

Caprica

8

I really enjoyed this episode. I was quite eager to see what happened to Glenn but I liked this flashback for Morgan, it was a bit of an emotional episode and could to have some back story for him. It would have been good to have Eastman around for longer, quite a dignified character. I also felt sorry to see poor Tabatha meet a grisly end.

I noticed that Glenn was not in the opening credits but I wouldn't read much into that.

The Talking Bread

9

Charlie19 wrote: »

Waiting all week for some confirmation on whether or not Glen is actually dead and nothing. While i do think he's dead but would just like to know for sure.

It was confirmed last week that this was a Morgan centric episode. Very surprised a lot of people thought there would be confirmation re Glenn. Also you may not even get it for few more episodes to be honest. If he is dead, there are no witnesses. And it would be a sh1t ty scene just to show him "walking". If he is dead he will be found eventually by his missus in a soppy scene but if he is alive he may be taken hostage. May not see him until mid season finale I think

brianregan09

6

Think someone shouted open the gates !

Charlie19

5

The Talking Bread wrote: »

It was confirmed last week that this was a Morgan centric episode.

I didn't notice this.

Blingy

7

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Morgan is going to become almost a chief protagonist henceforth so Id say that episode added a lot to it. The acting was superb and like Breaking Bads episode Fly (I amn't arsed go ogling to check name but I think it's Fly) those episodes break up the series. One of the main reasons behind it also was to keep us on the edge re Glenn and set up Ricks problems with the Wolves.

So what was it that Rick shouted at the very end?

Sounded like Rick shouting open the gates.

The Talking Bread

9

Caprica wrote: »

I really enjoyed this episode. I was quite eager to see what happened to Glenn but I liked this flashback for Morgan, it was a bit of an emotional episode and could to have some back story for him. It would have been good to have Eastman around for longer, quite a dignified character. I also felt sorry to see poor Tabatha meet a grisly end.

I noticed that Glenn was not in the opening credits but I wouldn't read much into that.

In the long term East man would become an annoying character by fans I think. His intelligence and placidness would grind on people and I couldn't see him answering to Ricks attitude which would make the series rather boring. Perfect to have him just for that episode. As I said Morgan is going to become a huge character, almost like the Anti-Rick. But if there was two of them about (Eastman and Morgan) the series could be deprevid of that sense of hysteria that Rick brings.

WealthyB

1

They really made a hash out of Morgan's crazy time and his "redemption" if you could call it that. Too cheesy for my liking.

Only thing I do like is that all he's done is replace one kind of crazy for another delusion; he's clearly still unhinged.

however if the writers feel they must keep ramming this down our throat - yeah we get it, not all life is precious despite what Morgan thinks, we've known this for years now - the longer this pacifist nonsense goes on a swift Morgan death will be welcomed by more and more viewers I think.

Maybe it's like this in the comics too? but I remember the fuss over his cameo post terminus episode and everyone was going apesh1t for him, maybe he's better in the comics, maybe it was his Boba Fett look, but I really feel as if they've screwed this one up.

The Talking Bread

9

Flippyfloppy wrote: »

I thought it was a good episode but would have been better placed as episode no.5. The cliffhanger of episode three is just too immense to have to sit through '90' minutes of Morgan's development. I don't care about his development, not that I don't love the character, but I was at peace that he's at peace anyway. I didn't even really care about him and the wolves, until the final scene there.

You love his character but don't care about his development?? Morgan transition was so huge that it had to be filled in. Would of been ridiculous if we were just left guessing what happened to him and there was no way that transition and the story behind it could be explained vocally in depth to another character as it's very complex. " and then I told him to kill me and then he gave me tomato and oatmeal burgers and then I was locked in a cage but the cage wasn't locked but he didn't tell me but then he did and then I attacked him but he won but he walked off so I didn't attack him......etc etc etc..."

You get me! As I said it's important the development stories of characters are depicted and thats one of my little irks with walking dead. It doesn't develop characters a lot, especially tertiary characters like Sasha. Not that they have the time of course. I like when we see the back stories but only on rare occasions.

The Talking Bread

9

Blingy wrote: »

Sounded like Rick shouting open the gates.

I wonder when he locked that wolf in was Rick in same compound and the wolf was turning. I thought it came from further away though.

GavRedKing

7

I thought it was a good change of pace, it fleshed out how Morgan went from being a psycho holed up in town "clearing" everything, to the character we see now and the journey and suffering he had to go through to reach this point.

Eastman was a good character for Morgan to bounce off too, the aikido training scenes were a bit too karate kid-esque for my liking but it shows us Morgans philosophy and how he adopted it, hes come back from a very dark place and he doesnt want to kill anyone to fall back into it.

I can see why some people wont like the episode though but I enjoyed it.

MythicalMadMan

7

5starpool wrote: »

And again in an unbelievable way. No way would he have saved Morgan like that. Push away the walker and everyone lives. Better still, poke him in the head.

I'm usually a defender of the show but this did piss me off, Eastman had a great story and I loved the whole episode (aside from that) but that let it down for me. Still a great episode it'll defintely help the viewers understand morgan a hell of a lot more.

The locking of the door was a cool moment for me. As it could say 2 things

Morgan believes the wolf is a pyschopath or Eastmans philopsy can't translate to a wider more vunerable group.

On another note I like they can leave a cliffhanger going nothing pisses me off more than a show with cliffhangers every week it's just an unitelligent way to keep the audience captivated