New Star Trek TV show - Star Trek Discovery

CastorTroy

DS9 hit its stride when it had an enemy in the Dominion. I liked Voyager but when they were able to defeat the Borg on a weekly basis it got annoying. Enterprise really picked up once they got the ongoing story with the Xindi. I thought it was a decent series until the bad finale.

Think I've said before but the main problem with setting before the other series is that you're limiting what aliens can be used. Remember fitting the Ferengi into Enterprise?

Greyjoy

Full_Circle_81 wrote: »

I think the mid-season split is to give them even more time to finish off production on the later episodes. Those new Klingon make-up designs take forever to apply!

We're in an era where companies like Netflix are able to drop entire series (eg the Expanse) in one block. I would suspect the split has more to do with CBS trying to hold viewers' interest in this streaming service they're launching. If CBS released Discovery in a single run I'd imagine there would be an exodus of viewers from the streaming service once the show has finished the season.

ixoy

Greyjoy wrote: »

We're in an era where companies like Netflix are able to drop entire series (eg the Expanse) in one block

The Expanse aired weekly on SyFy in the US. It only dropped in one block here after it finished airing.

Apparently the Netflix international deal covers production costs. Americans seem very unhappy that they have to subscribe to another service to see it (boo hoo..).

pixelburp

Greyjoy wrote: »

We're in an era where companies like Netflix are able to drop entire series (eg the Expanse) in one block. I would suspect the split has more to do with CBS trying to hold viewers' interest in this streaming service they're launching. If CBS released Discovery in a single run I'd imagine there would be an exodus of viewers from the streaming service once the show has finished the season.

Not to be pedantic, but The Expanse is a ScyFy Channel production, and both seasons to date aired weekly on the channel; no sign yet of Season 2 appearing on Netflix (though way back when there was a vague promise that it'd air weekly on Netflix too, so dunno what happened there).

Supposedly the reason for the season split with Star Trek is that the back half will still be in post-production during the break. I'm a bit confused because I was sure I read the Season Order was bumped up to 18 episodes, whereas reports yesterday still spoke of the original 13.

Goodshape

pixelburp wrote: »

I read the Season Order was bumped up to 18 episodes, whereas reports yesterday still spoke of the original 13.

Wikipedia states 15.

"Star Trek: Discovery is set to debut on CBS with a two-part premiere in "fall" 2017, before moving to All Access. The first season will consist of 15 episodes."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Trek:_Discovery

Alex Kurtzman's involvement is by far my biggest concern. Otherwise totally looking forward to it.

Sad Professor

I'm not sure whole season drops are really good for a show anyway. Imagine if whole seasons of Lost had dropped all at once. There would have been less complaining and hate-watching, but there also wouldn't have been much to talk about. I think it works with Netflix shows to an extent because many of these shows aren't designed to last that long. I mean, they might last a few seasons, but they aren't going to be the next Sopranos or Mad Men, the success of which had a lot to do with the water cooler factor.

AMKC

So what are peoples thoughts on the look off the Discovery now?

I have heard it has negative space in between the inside and outside sections of the saucer. It will be interesting to see why this is? It looks better than the first version of it we have seen but I have also seen some fan versions that I thought looked better and would have been even nicer.

AMKC

pixelburp wrote: »

Not to be pedantic, but The Expanse is a ScyFy Channel production, and both seasons to date aired weekly on the channel; no sign yet of Season 2 appearing on Netflix (though way back when there was a vague promise that it'd air weekly on Netflix too, so dunno what happened there).

Supposedly the reason for the season split with Star Trek is that the back half will still be in post-production during the break. I'm a bit confused because I was sure I read the Season Order was bumped up to 18 episodes, whereas reports yesterday still spoke of the original 13.

I have never seen The Expanse on Syfy. Are you sure they had it on here? Dark Matter and Killjoys do be on it but not The Expanse.

pixelburp

AMKC wrote: »

I have never seen The Expanse on Syfy. Are you sure they had it on here? Dark Matter and Killjoys do be on it but not The Expanse.

Absolutely 100%. It's a ScyFy production, and arguably their biggest critical hit since Battlestar Galactica:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Expanse_(TV_series)

Zillah

AMKC wrote: »

So what are peoples thoughts on the look off the Discovery now?

The early images were the ugliest fupping thing I've seen this side of Andromeda. We barely catch a glimpse of it in the trailer so nothing has really changed. They appear to have kept that awful triangular wedge shape though.

I really think Michelle Yeoh as a Starfleet Captain is fantastic casting.

Sad Professor

Zillah wrote: »

The early images were the ugliest fupping thing I've seen this side of Andromeda. We barely catch a glimpse of it in the trailer so nothing has really changed. They appear to have kept that awful triangular wedge shape though.

I really think Michelle Yeoh as a Starfleet Captain is fantastic casting.

The ship in the trailer isn't the Discovery, it's the Shenzhou.

Zillah

Sad Professor wrote: »

The ship in the trailer isn't the Discovery, it's the Shenzhou.

Wait, what? This?


I am so confused. Is the show set on the USS Discovery or the USS Shenzhou?

AMKC

Zillah wrote: »

Wait, what? This?


I am so confused. Is the show set on the USS Discovery or the USS Shenzhou?

We think it might be set on two ship either that or the Shenzhou gets destroyed early on sometime.

AtomicHorror

Zillah wrote: »

Wait, what? This?


I am so confused. Is the show set on the USS Discovery or the USS Shenzhou?

This is Discovery:

Zillah

It's so ugly. All the flashy effects in the world won't fix horrible geometry.

_Kaiser_

More info on First Officer Michael Burnham

We can tell you that Burnham is fully human (not half-Vulcan as some have speculated) and is the first human to attend the Vulcan Learning Center as a child and then the Vulcan Science Academy as a young woman. She has a close relationship with Sarek (James Frain), the father of Spock. For the past seven years, she’s been serving on the U.S.S. Shenzhou.

“I’m the first officer on the U.S.S. Shenzhou that is captained by Captain Philippa Georgiou, who is played by the amazing Michelle Yeoh,” she says. “I have an inner war and it’s a journey of self discovery and finding out what it means to be alive, to be human, to be a Starfleet officer, what it means to be a hero.”

It's the Worf story then mixed with elements of TOS Spock.

CatInABox

https://twitter.com/StarTrekNetflix/status/888886472081788929


Looks fairly generic to me.

Agent Coulson

Ye looks very by the numbers to me.

py2006

Very meh...

I'm more excited for this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej24W8gcmXQ

Tristram

Looking forward to both tbh!

_Kaiser_

CatInABox wrote: »

Looks fairly generic to me.

Yep, as I said over in the other thread, it's more JJ Trek rather than Star Trek. Complete with soft rock track in the trailer FFS.

I'm not saying it had to be 60s production styles but this looks like yet another bland, hyper/chaotic action-filled mess with almost nothing tying it to Star Trek, never mind the era or timeline it's supposedly set in. Reading comments online and some are comparing it more to BSG and that's probably a fair comparison.. but BSG isn't Trek either.

Maybe it's just a bad trailer intended for the millennial generation or those who like the JJ films. Maybe the actual show will be better than wall-to-wall explosions and "edgy" characters - I'm thinking this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sd23slMhWQU

In short, there's nothing in that trailer that gets me hyped for this show. The Orville looks far better at the moment, and if true, that's going to be somewhat embarrassing!

rossie1977

Trailer looks very Battlestar Galactica inspired to me. If that's your bar it's going to be extremely hard to reach .

Agent Coulson

Bryan Fuller Originally Wanted ‘Star Trek: Discovery’ to Be an Anthology Series

Fuller sat with CBS executives to deliver his pitch. It wasn’t just for a ‘Trek’ series but for multiple serialized anthology shows that would begin with the ‘Discovery’ prequel, journey through the eras of Captain James T. Kirk and Captain Jean-Luc Picard, and then go beyond to a time in ‘Trek’ that’s never been seen before.

“The original pitch was to do for science fiction what ‘American Horror Story’ had done for horror,” Fuller says. “It would platform a universe of ‘Trek’ shows.”

CBS countered with the plan of creating a single serialized show and then seeing how it performed. It was a fair compromise, yet demonstrated the first conflict of vision between a powerful company and an inventive writer that would eventually lead to a dramatic falling-out.

http://collider.com/star-trek-discovery-original-vision-bryan-fuller/

pixelburp

I'd read this before, wayyyy back when Discovery was still an unknown quantity; I wasn't on-board if I'm honest, anthology series just aren't my thing & it'd have been a little annoying to be constantly bouncing around without ever getting to know the characters or locales. Aside from that, it'd have been more expensive too, in a genre already renowned for being on the pricier side. New sets, costumes, FX, make-up ever season ....

Sad Professor

I remain optimistic about this show. It looks different and different is what Trek needs to be. I don't want anymore TNG lite, or DS9 lite for that matter either. I stopped being a fan of Trek on TV around the time Farscape started. It made me realise how tired and boring Trek had become.

Agent Coulson

Yes around that time mid to late 90's Babylon 5, Farscape and even Stargate all showed how space could be done differently and better than the way Star Trek was doing it.


Hopefully they will take a risk with it but it seems to be a bit of a mess behind the scenes and may take a while to find it's legs then you have to ask will it be given that time in this era of tv.

AMKC

Sad Professor wrote: »

I remain optimistic about this show. It looks different and different is what Trek needs to be. I don't want anymore TNG lite, or DS9 lite for that matter either. I stopped being a fan of Trek on TV around the time Farscape started. It made me realise how tired and boring Trek had become.

Star Trek tired and boring never noticed. I would have easily watched another 2 season's of TNG and DS9. Never got into Farscape. Seen a few episodes but not a show that I think "must watch all of that"

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Yes around that time mid to late 90's Babylon 5, Farscape and even Stargate all showed how space could be done differently and better than the way Star Trek was doing it.



Hopefully they will take a risk with it but it seems to be a bit of a mess behind the scenes and may take a while to find it's legs then you have to ask will it be given that time in this era of tv.

I like Babylon 5 and it has a great story but its not as optimistic or as futuristic as Star Trek is. I don,t regard Stargate as better than Star Trek but it was an entertaining show especially Jack o Neill who was always very funny in it.

silverharp

some behind the scenes gossip

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQcLLfzzKWA

_Kaiser_

Star Trek Continues released it's latest episode yesterday - if you haven't seen this series yet, I really recommend checking it out.. it's basically season 4 of TOS.

Just watched the latest episode this morning (guest starring John DeLancie (Q) and Anne Lockhart (Sheba from the original Battlestar Galactica)) and really enjoyed it.

As I said in the dedicated thread, it also shows that "classic" Trek storytelling and even design can still be effective in 2017 - also demonstrated with Axanar

I think there's some credence to the idea floated in the Midnight Edge video above that the new Meyer project may be a backup plan should Discovery tank.. we knew about the "anthology" idea when Discovery was first being talked about, but this has resurfaced again in the last few days. Could be nothing, or could indeed be laying the groundwork to accept the Meyer show as a Season 2 instead.

pixelburp

Finally, some clips have surfaced; nothing major & nothing spoiler'y, but good to finally get some tangible sense of the show in action:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-bzFXKXFIE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCHHGfk9Pl4

silverharp

off twitter

Agent Coulson

Never a good sign.

pixelburp

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Never a good sign.

As mentioned in the Star Trek forum, it's not necessarily a bad sign: no press screenings might often be a red flag with films, usually pointing towards a movie the studio knows is garbage, but not every TV series gets screeners sent to critics in the first place - plus there are suggestions & rumours CBS are trying to spoiler-proof the show, and protect the supposed twists & turns in the plot. I could well believe that, given the nature of today's TV landscape.

silverharp

pixelburp wrote: »

As mentioned in the Star Trek forum, it's not necessarily a bad sign: no press screenings might often be a red flag with films, usually pointing towards a movie the studio knows is garbage, but not every TV series gets screeners sent to critics in the first place - plus there are suggestions & rumours CBS are trying to spoiler-proof the show, and protect the supposed twists & turns in the plot. I could well believe that, given the nature of today's TV landscape.

makes sense, its just that given there is a bit of a smell over this show its an easy assertion to make.

AMKC

I think its only right and great that no critics will get to see it before anyone else. Gives them something to loo forward to us well now that they don,t have to review it and that must be a rare think being a movie/TV critic these days.

Slydice

Agent Coulson

CBS had a screening and are letting those who saw tweet about it and it's all positive the first two episodes were shown at the screening.

silverharp

I like the Tweet

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Virtue signaling fail
For ****'s sake, Sisko was the goddamned messiah who punched god in the face!

pixelburp

It feels a bit redundant there are two threads on Boards for this; IMO we should merge them so the conversation can be a bit more unified; aside from myself I have noticed other users posting the same comments on both threads :rolleyes:

silverharp

pixelburp wrote: »

It feels a bit redundant there are two threads on Boards for this; IMO we should merge them so the conversation can be a bit more unified; aside from myself I have noticed other users posting the same comments on both threads :rolleyes:

can 1 thread be seen in 2 forums? , I just wouldn't be as arsed trying to find threads in the sifi section

Mr E

It's a difficult one - maybe move this thread to Star Trek with a permanent redirect? Anyone searching here will be able to find the thread there. What do you think?

pixelburp

Mr E wrote: »

It's a difficult one - maybe move this thread to Star Trek with a permanent redirect? Anyone searching here will be able to find the thread there. What do you think?

The specialist forums can be too out of the way, but seems like the Star Trek forum has greater 'ownership' over the discussion thread Like you said, a permanent redirect would at least keep the footprint here too.

But that's just me, dunno what others think. Just feels a bit daft having two of the same conversations going on at the same time - especially once the show starts airing; it's bound to cause debate

Mr E

Yeah cool. I'll do nothing for now and see if anybody else has any feedback.
If there are no major objections during the day today, I'll move it tonight.

_Kaiser_

Mr E wrote: »

Yeah cool. I'll do nothing for now and see if anybody else has any feedback.
If there are no major objections during the day today, I'll move it tonight.

Permanent redirect sounds good (does that update when the actual thread is updated though?)

On the latest tweets, I'm taking them with a grain of salt. First, it was an invited event, second the feedback is 100% positive from what I've seen.

Maybe it really is THAT good, but for me the jury is out until I see it on Monday morning.

Sad Professor

Merging might be messy. Maybe just lock the TV thread with a link to the Star Trek forum and Discovery thread.

Once the first episode airs we’ll be using separate episode threads in the ST forum anyway, so even the Discovery thread in ST may need to be locked eventually to avoid overlap.

We could also consider moving the Star Trek forum to the Television sub-category or just adding a link to it.

Agent Coulson

Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum

Sad Professor

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum

Oh god yeah, I'm surprised there isn't a thread going there already.

silverharp

once you can follow the link that's fine, I only have a middling interest so I don't want to specifically follow the thread

_Kaiser_

Sad Professor wrote: »

Merging might be messy. Maybe just lock the TV thread with a link to the Star Trek forum and Discovery thread.

Once the first episode airs we’ll be using separate episode threads in the ST forum anyway, so even the Discovery thread in ST may need to be locked eventually to avoid overlap.

We could also consider moving the Star Trek forum to the Television sub-category or just adding a link to it.

Wasn't it previously under TV before the Big (to be completed) Menu Reshuffle? Not a bad idea though to add at least a link.

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum

I still don't know why that was done. TV is TV regardless of the medium these days.

ixoy

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Sure since it's on Netflix now as well maybe the online forum

It also has appeal across many facets of sci-fi, so Sci-Fi & Fantasy forum as well

Hopefully the early reviews aren't just uber-fans, the likes of who praised films such as "Batman vs Superman" before a wider audience got to see it.