Increase in Bad Driving

check_six

Faith+1 wrote: »

Okay well:
2. I'm not reversing onto a major road. The rule is applicable when reversing from a minor to a major road not my driveway to the road outside which is a minor road.

I think that the minor or majorness of a road is relative. The road outside your house is major compared to your drive.

Chips Lovell

check_six wrote: »

I think that the minor or majorness of a road is relative. The road outside your house is major compared to your drive.

I don't think this is correct. If it were, subsection 3 would contradict it.

check_six

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

I don't think this is correct. If it were, subsection 3 would contradict it.

Okay that makes sense.

Sam Kade

onmebike wrote: »

No different to usual. I usually have quite an assertive position...well outside double yellow lines, for example.

You more or less said in your op that you tailgate.

cython

Sam Kade wrote: »

You more or less said in your op that you tailgate.

Would you care to highlight where that was exactly, because you must have a very odd definition of the word tailgate to take anything close to it from the below:

onmebike wrote: »

Has anybody else noticed an increase in incidents of driver aggression, lack of manners and general lack of consideration for cyclists in the last few weeks? I've been experiencing much more of these types of incidents and can almost hear the mental "f**k em" as they look at me when doing these things.

• Drivers passing way too close only to be held up in slow moving traffic seconds later and then re-passed by me (each day)
• Drivers accelerating, then braking hard to turn left immediately in front of me rather than slowing for a few seconds (multiple times each day)
• Drivers shooting up bus lanes, seemingly exceeding the speed limit, and passing way too close (most days)
• Drivers using the horn to indicate their displeasure with me not using rubbish cycle lanes (every few days)

These are things that will always happen on occasion, but there seems to me to be a notable increase inconsiderate behaviour. Anybody else see this or is it just me?

Unless of course you are trying to skew "Drivers accelerating, then braking hard to turn left immediately in front of me rather than slowing for a few seconds (multiple times each day)" into tailgating..... actually I still contend this would be an odd definition!

onmebike

Sam Kade wrote: »

You more or less said in your op that you tailgate.

I'm not sure I get your meaning...

Tenzor07

Good article here: http://irishcycle.com/2015/11/05/images-25-reasons-why-cyclists-dont-use-cycle-lanes/

Fian

This one is near my house, on Taney road in Dundrum.

The lane is on a steep downhill section - so cyclists are coming down the road quickly. The lane is at an oblique angle to the road as you can see. The kerb is about an inch high. I have brought more than one bleeding cyclist in for a cup of tea because they didn't know the road and made the mistake of trying to follow the cycle lane, only to find they are suddenly getting to know the road quite intimately and in fact bits of them are merging with it.



Edit: Having said that in fact you don't come back on road where the second photo shows, that is a different road into that junction. You do come back just where traffic are pulling left to turn onto the opposite side of the road the second photo is showing.

seamus

I take that route from Nutgrove Avenue, through Dundrum out to the N11 every day now and the entire thing is a complete mess both ways. The cycle lanes continually switch from on to off road, ironically usually deciding to go off road where you have a whole pile of entrances and turns, and staying on-road where the road is straight and clear.

Qualitymark

When motorists try to get you to use the cycle lane, I reckon the best answer is to invite them to join you in using it, same time, same place next day, so they can enjoy the Irish Cycle Lane Experience.

RainyDay

Qualitymark wrote: »

When motorists try to get you to use the cycle lane, I reckon the best answer is to invite them to join you in using it, same time, same place next day, so they can enjoy the Irish Cycle Lane Experience.

I just ask them why they aren't using the motorway. I mean we build all these specialised facilities specially for them, and they insist of clogging up the roads instead.

Muahahaha

Faith+1 wrote: »

Last night I was reversing out my drive and nearly hit a cyclist. I'm a very observant driver who's never had any incidents but the guy was wearing all black clothing, no lights/helmet and not to be racist or anything but because he was black he looked like he was in stealth mode. How I didn't hit him is a mystery.

Btw I cycle myself and always wear hi-viz and use my lights.

Something similar happened me last year except it was a child in a car park who cycled behind me just as I was about to begin reversing. Thank god I gave the rear view mirror a second glance before hitting the accelerator otherwise I was knocking the child down for certain. That close call gave me a right fright so since then I always reverse into car park spaces no matter where I am. Being able to leave where ever you are facing frontwards seems the safest option to me, even if it is tricky to reverse into to begin with.

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Down home standard practice is reversing in and driving out. The overwhelming majority of people park like that in car parks etc. (when they're not double and triple parking on the main street!). However in Dublin it's the complete opposite. I brought a friend down to the local show during the summer, she's from Dublin and drove down. Her car was the only one point in in rather than out in the entire field! I never considered another course of action until I moved to Dublin, it's just what you do. This isn't representative of the whole country though.

Faith +1 if you can't clearly see what's coming down the road and almost cream someone, it's not safe to reverse out of your drive.

tomasrojo

RainyDay wrote: »

I just ask them why they aren't using the motorway. I mean we build all these specialised facilities specially for them, and they insist of clogging up the roads instead.

I read somewhere that there were people agitating for this form of segregation in the early days of motorisation in the UK: cars restricted to specialised infrastructure. If true, it obviously didn't work out that way.

rollingscone

RainyDay wrote: »

I just ask them why they aren't using the motorway. I mean we build all these specialised facilities specially for them, and they insist of clogging up the roads instead.

A new suspect is revealed?

Check out https://twitter.com/Flaminghobo1/status/660405265083318273?s=09

tigerboon

gadetra wrote: »

Down home standard practice is reversing in and driving out. The overwhelming majority of people park like that in car parks etc. (when they're not double and triple parking on the main street!). However in Dublin it's the complete opposite. I brought a friend down to the local show during the summer, she's from Dublin and drove down. Her car was the only one point in in rather than out in the entire field! I never considered another course of action until I moved to Dublin, it's just what you do. This isn't representative of the whole country though.

Faith +1 if you can't clearly see what's coming down the road and almost cream someone, it's not safe to reverse out of your drive.

It's not representative. I would normally reverse into a space but in some towns the spaces are angled back towards the oncoming traffic forcing drivers to drive in. If they were angled the other way it would force drivers to reverse in. You cannot see a cyclist coming if you are reversing out.

Qualitymark

tomasrojo wrote: »

I read somewhere that there were people agitating for this form of segregation in the early days of motorisation in the UK: cars restricted to specialised infrastructure. If true, it obviously didn't work out that way.

With the congestion in Dublin now, we should bring back the law that a motor car has to be preceded by a man walking along with a red flag. (Of course, nowadays it would be a man or a woman; it would be a boon to the unemployment figures.)

That plan to pedestrianise Dublin city centre seems to have gone a bit quiet. Is it still on the cards?

sitting at the lights this morning in my car, light goes green and I'm just beginning to move forward. suddenly a guy crosses about a foot from my car, breaking the red light whilst wearing a helmet and all the trimmings!! oh yea so was his KID!!!! on the fookin back of his bike!!!yeah motorists are the problem alright! get a grip, it's a two way problem you guys are every bit as bad.

Qualitymark

rusty cole wrote: »

get a grip, it's a two way problem you guys are every bit as bad.

Some of us. And some of you.

xebec

rusty cole wrote: »

sitting at the lights this morning in my car, light goes green and I'm just beginning to move forward. suddenly a guy crosses about a foot from my car, breaking the red light whilst wearing a helmet and all the trimmings!! oh yea so was his KID!!!! on the fookin back of his bike!!!yeah motorists are the problem alright! get a grip, it's a two way problem you guys are every bit as bad.

Thanks for that, very informative.

Qualitymark

Incidentally, the problem of a cyclist apparently "breaking the lights" from the point of view of a driver is not always what it appears.

I was crossing a wide street the other day, having entered it with the lights green to go.

By the time i was three-quarters of the way across, the bus and vans that had entered the crossroads going the same direction as me had already crossed, and the lights had now changed. The drivers coming the other way were beeping at me (I'm terribly sorry if they were rushing to the maternity hospital to give birth or on some equally urgent business), because *in their perception* I was breaking the lights.

I wasn't breaking the lights; the green-to-red cycle on the road I was crossing was simply set too short for the speed of a cyclist. I have often noticed this on wide streets in Dublin.

xebec

xebec wrote: »

Thanks for that, very informative.

mmmm scanning for sarcasm..... bleep positive!! identified!! cyclist with chip on shoulder!!!

Wishbone Ash

Qualitymark - once you have entered the junction you are entitled to proceed regardless of the lights changing. A green light does not mean 'go'. It only means that you may proceed if your way is clear and it is safe to do so. If the junction is not clear then it is not safe and road users with a green light must wait. You did nothing wrong.

Qualitymark

Qualitymark wrote: »

Incidentally, the problem of a cyclist apparently "breaking the lights" from the point of view of a driver is not always what it appears.

I was crossing a wide street the other day, having entered it with the lights green to go.

By the time i was three-quarters of the way across, the bus and vans that had entered the crossroads going the same direction as me had already crossed, and the lights had now changed. The drivers coming the other way were beeping at me (I'm terribly sorry if they were rushing to the maternity hospital to give birth or on some equally urgent business), because *in their perception* I was breaking the lights.

I wasn't breaking the lights; the green-to-red cycle on the road I was crossing was simply set too short for the speed of a cyclist. I have often noticed this on wide streets in Dublin.

of course and they're bang out of order 100%, that's part of the give and take. I'm talking about the cyclists which break lights (one almost killed my wife whilst she was walking). equally the ****head motorists who turn one lane into two lanes thus squeezing the cyclist off the road and into a bus or onto a path. I wasn't being nasty, I'm agreeing it's equal, as must arseholes peddling on two wheels as on four.

Qualitymark

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Qualitymark - once you have entered the junction you are entitled to proceed regardless of the lights changing. A green light does not mean 'go'. It only means that you may proceed if your way is clear and it is safe to do so. If the junction is not clear then it is not safe and road users with a green light must wait. You did nothing wrong.

You can put that on my gravestone.

But Dublin City Council's traffic lights are often set very, very unsafely for cyclists and pedestrians.

These lights were in the city centre - can't remember where offhand - but another set that's crazy is the five-way Kenilworth crossroads in Harold's Cross, which goes green for pedestrians than rapidly changes to orange, stays that way for quite a while, and then goes red, before the lights on the main road change to allow the traffic to whoosh across. Locals saunter across, but zimmer-powered visitors hobble frantically to try to make the crossing when the pedestrian light changes to orange after seconds.

There's a two-and-a-half-minute cycle on those lights altogether, so if you come up when the pedestrians are green to go, you've got a long wait before the lights go your way, with traffic piling up behind you. The other day I was coming up to them on the bike when the pedestrian walky man went green. I hopped off and transmuted into a pedestrian to cross, wheeling the bike, and was pleased to see another couple of cyclists doing the same. Used to be that the cyclists blasted straight through on the pedestrian light, screaming old ladies leaping out of their way.

mcgratheoin

rusty cole wrote: »

sitting at the lights this morning in my car, light goes green and I'm just beginning to move forward. suddenly a guy crosses about a foot from my car, breaking the red light whilst wearing a helmet and all the trimmings!! oh yea so was his KID!!!! on the fookin back of his bike!!!yeah motorists are the problem alright! get a grip, it's a two way problem you guys are every bit as bad.

Thanks for that, very informative post. This thread would be much better if everyone just listed the shítty behaviour they observed and ignored the rest of the discussion.
Personally today I saw 6 cars go through red (proper red, not accelerating through orange) lights at 6 different junctions - some of these had KIDS IN THEM!!!!! I don't bother counting the amber gamblers any more. At all the junctions i had to stop at I only saw one car actually stopped behind the line - everyone else was halfway into the junction or plonked in the cyclists box. I counted 4 cyclists breaking red lights (3 dublin bikes) and 5 pedestrians stepping out into traffic without looking (plus two walkers in the Phoenix Park cycle lane). Add in about a dozen private cars in bus lanes and you're almost there.

Hope this helps!!!!

mcgratheoin

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Thanks for that, very informative post. This thread would be much better if everyone just listed the shítty behaviour they observed and ignored the rest of the discussion.
Personally today I saw 6 cars go through red (proper red, not accelerating through orange) lights at 6 different junctions - some of these had KIDS IN THEM!!!!! I don't bother counting the amber gamblers any more. At all the junctions i had to stop at I only saw one car actually stopped behind the line - everyone else was halfway into the junction or plonked in the cyclists box. I counted 4 cyclists breaking red lights (3 dublin bikes) and 5 pedestrians stepping out into traffic without looking (plus two walkers in the Phoenix Park cycle lane). Add in about a dozen private cars in bus lanes and you're almost there.

Hope this helps!!!!

Wow, flew in using the chopper did we, that's some amount of carnage on one flyover then. yes your post helps, if I'm a science fiction writer.
what an inspiration you are, or maybe I'm just listing all your **** and ignoring the rest of your discussion!

mcgratheoin

rusty cole wrote: »

Wow, flew in using the chopper did we

Nope, Leixlip to Grand Canal - it might surprise you to know that these are regular occurrences for anyone commuting by bike in Dublin.

mcgratheoin

mcgratheoin wrote: »

Nope, Leixlip to Grand Canal - it might surprise you to know that these are regular occurrences for anyone commuting by bike in Dublin.

eh it might surprise you to know they're regular occurrence for anyone, driving, walking, and using the bus also...it's not just about you little johnny!

mcgratheoin

rusty cole wrote: »

eh it might surprise you to know they're regular occurrence for anyone, driving, walking, and using the bus also...it's not just about you little johnny!

So why do you feel the need to post about it then?