The Mandela effect

Allan Blandford

I have been reading about the Mandela effect on the internet, people have memories of happenings in the past which are different from what is recorded that did happen, names of TV shows are different than what people remember for example 'sex in the city' is now sex and the city , the film interview with a vampire is now ' interview with the vampire'.
The locations of countries are different, I remember New Zealand being SW of Australia, it is now SE of Australia , thousands of miles from where I remember it on maps from years ago .
I think some people have been somehow moved to a parallel universe and there is people from different parallel universes here in this one because they have different memories, there are a few different locations that people remember New Zealand being in .

maccored

I think its just incorrect memories. the Mandela effect is something made up by Fiona Broome. its basically something someone said and not actually based on any kind of research at all.

maccored

also, i think people are a bit confused about parallell universes. quantum physics says atoms can be in two places at once - which technically means you could have more than one universe or reality. it doesnt mean though that every single atom in one place is the same as every single atom in the other. in this reality, my atoms would make me - but those same atoms could be part of many different things in an alternate universe. therefore theres nothing to back the idea that alternate universes will have any kind of similarity at all.

Allan Blandford

Looking at world maps on the internet has me convinced that the Mandela effect is true, the maps are just wrong, this is a different world from the one I was in years ago, the world has felt different to me since about 2008 .

Oryx

It was always sex and the city. It was always interview with the vampire. Things just get changed as they get repeated.

Allan Blandford

Is it possible for me to get back to my home universe ?

Allan Blandford

I am absolutely certain at this stage that I am not from this universe, I do not know how I got here but I really want to get back to my own world. Please help me .

endacl

I have a friend who insists the scary pepperpots in dr who were called 'darlicks'. Turns out lots of people think this. If a mistake is easy to make it'll be easily made by lots of people.

A lot more dubs, for example, think the big book shop on O'Connell Street is called Eason's than know it's called Eason. It's not an 'effect'. It's just a thing.

XR3i

eat some magic mushrooms, be grand

endacl

Allan Blandford wrote: »

I am absolutely certain at this stage that I am not from this universe, I do not know how I got here but I really want to get back to my own world. Please help me .

Spin around three times on the 42nd of Junetober next year while holding your nose.

Be grand.

endacl

Be grander my way.

XR3i

the earth is flat

endacl

XR3i wrote: »

the earth is flat

It's turtles all the way down.

Myrddin

Mod: Can we get back on topic now please, any more silliness or acting the fool will result in warnings/infractions/bans. This thread is to discuss the so caled Mandela Effect, it's not a place to practice your stand up routine.

Allan Blandford

endacl wrote: »

I have a friend who insists the scary pepperpots in dr who were called 'darlicks'. Turns out lots of people think this. If a mistake is easy to make it'll be easily made by lots of people.

A lot more dubs, for example, think the big book shop on O'Connell Street is called Eason's than know it's called Eason. It's not an 'effect'. It's just a thing.

If people remember it was Easons then that could be a Mandela effect if it is called Eason in this universe
I remember that book shop as Easons, also the fast food chain 'McDonalds' I clearly remember as MacDonalds in the universe I am from .
If you could show some people in Dublin a map of the world they could become freaked out or think you are showing them a fake map, because some of them will have clear memories of a different world, try showing those who really were into geography in school because those people will readily notice the differences .

Allan Blandford

Four fifths of the earth that I came from is covered with oceans, on this earth only three quarters of it is oceans !
I noticed in studying the world maps of this world that there is an awful lot of land, the amount of land was not this much on my earth, the countries were smaller, some of the countries were bigger, China was much bigger, on this earth Africa is oversize and it has Europe distorted into an odd shape, Spain does not curve out that far into the Atlantic ocean on my earth .

endacl

OK...

Allan Blandford

Now Australia looks completely different on this Earth, on my earth there is no spike on the north of it, the northern part is completely flat and there is absolutely no countries or land masses anywhere near the north of Australia, there is only ocean, thousands of miles of ocean with no land whatsoever
But on this Earth there is land masses north of Australia and Australia does not even look anywhere near like the Australia on the Earth that I come from.

XR3i

mandela was under-rated in his time

how did he hold south africa together

endacl

Allan Blandford wrote: »

Now Australia looks completely different on this Earth, on my earth there is no spike on the north of it, the northern part is completely flat and there is absolutely no countries or land masses anywhere near the north of Australia, there is only ocean, thousands of miles of ocean with no land whatsoever
But on this Earth there is land masses north of Australia and Australia does not even look anywhere near like the Australia on the Earth that I come from.

We've only your word for that. How do we know you're not making all of this up?

Rachiee

The problem is for the theory to stand you have to take memories as factual records of the way things were or are in another dimension. While memory is very subjective and can be influenced by many factors, no two memories people have of a given situation are absolutely identical.
re: maps, maps have changed an awful lot over the years and have become more detailed, Africa has always been portrayed as much smaller than it actually is and although it's being represented much fairer now perhaps your memory reflects an older map, or one less detailed (re Australia and Spain).
Once we learn something one way we take that to be fact and its very hard to unlearn it but it doesn't mean the learned memory is actually the way it is or was.

Allan Blandford

endacl wrote: »

We've only your word for that. How do we know you're not making all of this up?

Well, I am willing to take a lie detector test.

Allan Blandford

endacl wrote: »

We've only your word for that. How do we know you're not making all of this up?

You could look at a world map and see if it looks different from what you thought it should have looked like, I am not the only one who has been transferred here from another earth in a parallel universe, I suspect there could be millions of us here from the other universe, who transferred us here and why I do not know, but it has been done.

Rachiee

Lie detector tests only test what you believe to be true not what actually is true. There is a difference.Many people in medieval times would have passed a lie detector if there were such a thing) to say their earth is flat it doesn't mean it is.

Myrddin

Allan Blandford wrote: »

You could look at a world map and see if it looks different from what you thought it should have looked like, I am not the only one who has been transferred here from another earth in a parallel universe, I suspect there could be millions of us here from the other universe, who transferred us here and why I do not know, but it has been done.

To accept that though you have to discount the much more mundane explanation of simply remembering something wrong. It's happened to me on occasion, where I say "I could have swore this used to be X instead of Y", but the obvious and rational explanation is that memory is far from infallible.

Rachiee

Allan Blandford wrote: »

You could look at a world map and see if it looks different from what you thought it should have looked like, I am not the only one who has been transferred here from another earth in a parallel universe, I suspect there could be millions of us here from the other universe, who transferred us here and why I do not know, but it has been done.

Honestly every time I look at a world map I always find something to surprise me a country in a place I Never expected etc. I didn't even know central America existed until I was 16 when I bought my own world map (the one in school was old and not very clear) that doesn't mean that I come from a universe in which it didn't exist, in my head at the time north and south were connected and albumin the countries in central America were spread between south America and the middle east but genuinely I'm just terrible at geography.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

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Allan Blandford

Rachiee wrote: »

Honestly every time I look at a world map I always find something to surprise me a country in a place I Never expected etc. I didn't even know central America existed until I was 16 when I bought my own world map (the one in school was old and not very clear) that doesn't mean that I come from a universe in which it didn't exist, in my head at the time north and south were connected and albumin the countries in central America were spread between south America and the middle east but genuinely I'm just terrible at geography.

On the earth I come from you probably would not be confused about where Australia is because it is completely isolated and on its own, it is unmissable where it is, the nearest land to it is thousands of miles away, and this is the reason it was used on the Earth that I come from as a penal colony hundreds of years ago, criminals from Europe were sent to Australia because they would never get back home unless they had a ship which would be unlikely, but the Australia here on this earth it looks like you could escape back to Europe on a small rowing boat !

Oryx

How do you know youre not simply mistaken? Remembering things incorrectly?

Allan Blandford

Second Toughest in_the Freshers wrote: »

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I watched the video and two minutes and seventeen seconds into the video Australia starts to look the way it should from what I remember and then about four or five seconds later it jumps back to how Australia looks today, that is very strange. How would the makers of that programme know unless they have memories of a different Earth and they are trying to tell us about it, and the character even talks about having a different memory of what it looks like !

Myrddin

Allan Blandford wrote: »

I watched the video and two minutes and seventeen seconds into the video Australia starts to look the way it should from what I remember and then about four or five seconds later it jumps back to how Australia looks today, that is very strange. How would the makers of that programme know unless they have memories of a different Earth and they are trying to tell us about it, and the character even talks about having a different memory of what it looks like !

No, it's showing a map made five hundred years ago (without the aid of modern technology), compared to a more modern representative map. The video is here, but is quite self explanatory

endacl

Oryx wrote: »

How do you know youre not simply mistaken? Remembering things incorrectly?

But the obvious and rational explanation not being the obvious and rational explanation is how these 'theories' come about, surely? It's how the originators of these notions create a professional space for themselves where none should exist.

Allan Blandford

Myrddin wrote: »

No, it's showing a map made five hundred years ago (without the aid of modern technology), compared to a more modern representative map. The video is here, but is quite self explanatory

I have memories going back centuries of other lifetimes I have lived, I would have seen those maps before, maybe that has something to do with it .

endacl

Allan Blandford wrote: »

On the earth I come from you probably would not be confused about where Australia is because it is completely isolated and on its own, it is unmissable where it is, the nearest land to it is thousands of miles away, and this is the reason it was used on the Earth that I come from as a penal colony hundreds of years ago, criminals from Europe were sent to Australia because they would never get back home unless they had a ship which would be unlikely, but the Australia here on this earth it looks like you could escape back to Europe on a small rowing boat !

Criminals from Europe were sent to the southern colonies on a journey of between 4-6 months, on state of the art oceangoing ships, crewed by professional sailors. Do you really imagine an individual with no knowledge of navigation and zero maratime ability would take on such an endeavour? Starting from the south east coast and circumnavigating an entire continent before beginning the voyage proper? An individual with, in all likelihood, zero education, and with even less of an understanding of world maps than you display?

Allan Blandford

endacl wrote: »

Criminals from Europe were sent to the southern colonies on a journey of between 4-6 months, on state of the art oceangoing ships, crewed by professional sailors. Do you really imagine an individual with no knowledge of navigation and zero maratime ability would take on such an endeavour? Starting from the south east coast and circumnavigating an entire continent before beginning the voyage proper? An individual with, in all likelihood, zero education, and with even less of an understanding of world maps than you display?

Are you assuming that all people branded as criminals would have little to no education ? There would have been a mixture, political prisoners and some people who were highly educated .

Myrddin

Mod: I think this thread has run its course folks. The 'phenomenon' is not something that will lead to a healthy debate, and instead will just end up going in circles like it's starting to. We're now talking about the educational standards of middle age European prisoners!

Myrddin

Mod: Ok, I'm reopening this thread on a last chance basis. If we can stick to the topic at hand, without resorting to jokes, and veering off topic the thread can stay open. If it goes awry again though I'll close it for good.

Cheers folks

Oryx

So, I had never heard of this phenomenon, but from a search on it, it seems that land masses moving is the biggest thing people notice. But looking at that with a critical eye, mapping is something that has improved beyond measure with the advent of satellite imaging and google earth. Rather than looking at flat, inaccurate maps, we are now seeing our environment with an accuracy we never had before. Could this explain some of the confusion?

Given that I cant align to any of the purported inaccuracies given here and from my search on the topic, I must be born and reared in this universe, because it has never changed for me. But that also begs the question, why do people think they are moving from elsewhere, rather than being part of a timeslip or change? Or is that the same thing? Even if you dont believe in the mandela effect, it does raise some kinda thought provoking questions on our perception of reality.

gillad

Allan Blandford wrote: »

I have memories going back centuries of other lifetimes I have lived, I would have seen those maps before, maybe that has something to do with it .

It may be that your consciousness and not your brain is where these memories are coming from
There are cases of people who have near death experiences in hospital being able to describe exactly what happened in the operating theatre and who was there,which is evidence of consciousness existing outside of the body and brain.

There are reincarnation stories of people existing in a previous time in a different body,which is evidence of consciousness moving to a new body after death.I read about one lately where a young boy led police to a guy that killed him in a previous life .Here is a favourite of mine.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VnXxC-nVsJY

So it may not be a parallel universe that you remember just a previous time when the world was different or was viewed differently.You are where you are supposed to be..

brevity

This is like that Berestain/Berestain Bears thing in America.

I will say this though, I've always thought it was Interview with a Vampire. I've seen that movie loads, and I read the book and bought the soundtrack. I'm actually a little freaked out now


Need to investigate more.

endacl

Allan Blandford wrote: »

Are you assuming that all people branded as criminals would have little to no education ? There would have been a mixture, political prisoners and some people who were highly educated .

Not at all. Those with little or no education wouldn't know where to start. Those with sufficient would be smart enough not to.

Allan Blandford

I was reading about it on the internet a few days ago, the Mandela effect, and some of those talking about it were saying that geography of the world looks different, so I decided to check for myself and started noticing differences and today I noticed some more differences.
County Kilkenny is much further south than I remember it. Florida in the USA is different, New York is way different, Washington was not on the west coast of the USA, it was near the center of the USA !

Allan Blandford

I am looking at a map of Irelands counties and Meath looks strange, I don't remember county Meath extending right out to the east coast like it does on the Online maps, Meaths boundary was way further inland and it was no where near the east coast !

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

well, An Mhi does mean 'the middle', and there are some who would say Westmeath is the real Meath, and 'Meath' should be East-Westmeath...

Allan Blandford

Galway was different as well .
There was no Cape of York in Queensland Australia and this is the first I have ever heard of it, that place did not exist !
Russia and Alaska were further part, they are so close together here that they are almost touching on this earth !
Looney Tunes was called Looney Toons and Merrie Melodies was called Merry Melodies where I come from !
McDonalds was called MacDonalds, the fast food resteraunts.

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

Knew someone who was sure Canada was in South America, and that Portugal was an island. I always thought Edinburgh was in England, until i had lived there for about a month

Rachiee

Is there anything of notable difference apart from maps (as has already been pointed out unless you have a photographic memory you could just be mistaken in your memories, I also didn't know Russia and Alaska were beside rather until I was like 20 because I find its difficult to put the flat map back into globe form) and names of tv shows, fast food restraints that anyone could Mix up. Anything like major world events that you really couldn't have missed unless you were looking under a rock that you don't remember happening or being massively different?

ceadaoin.

brevity wrote: »

This is like that Berestain/Berestain Bears thing in America.

I will say this though, I've always thought it was Interview with a Vampire. I've seen that movie loads, and I read the book and bought the soundtrack. I'm actually a little freaked out now


Need to investigate more.

I only heard about the Berenstain Bears when I moved to the U.S. and saw some of the books in a book shop. I definitely remember them being spelled Berenstein when I first saw them though and only found out it was -stain when I saw it mentioned on reddit as part of this Mandela effect stuff. It's probably because 'stein' would be a more recognizable ending to a name so our brain just replaces it on casual glance.

I've never thought it was anything other than Interview with the Vampire though!

colly4211

Why am I reading this thread?

m1ck007

What **** are you guys taking?

Second Toughest in_the Freshers

I read this thread before and i thought it was great