General secretary of the IFA on a possible €400,000 salary-Read mod note in post 2734

RobertKK

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ifa-general-secretary-under-pressure-over-suggestions-of-e400000-a-year-salary/

Deane said rumours of a salary of in excess of €400,000-a-year, had been put to him, as the possible salary of the IFA’s General Secretary Pat Smith and he questioned that if the figure was true how the IFA could stand over this.

Wouldn't surprise me after their greed with he CAP negotiations. People on higher payments need higher payments, which to me suggested they were less efficient...

Now if this is true, I wonder what excuse they will use. It is all pure greed at the top of the IFA.

Dawggone

RobertKK wrote: »

http://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/ifa-general-secretary-under-pressure-over-suggestions-of-e400000-a-year-salary/



Wouldn't surprise me after their greed with he CAP negotiations. People on higher payments need higher payments, which to me suggested they were less efficient...

Now if this is true, I wonder what excuse they will use. It is all pure greed at the top of the IFA.

"Because, I'm worth it".

rangler1

Dawggone wrote: »

"Because, I'm worth it".

It was under Pat Smiths management as Director of Organisation that IFA has got the financial security it has, so in a sense he is worth it.
I always thought that his salary was based on the salary of the head of the department of agriculture. It never really bothered me to ask as like the banks if the package isn't attractive enough you'll only get amateurs.
You have to be aware of who's driving this, a failed Presidential candidate who went on to fail to get the position of National Treasurer the same year

Dawggone

rangler1 wrote: »

It was under Pat Smiths management as Director of Organisation that IFA has got the financial security it has, so in a sense he is worth it.
I always thought that his salary was based on the salary of the head of the department of agriculture. It never really bothered me to ask as like the banks if the package isn't attractive enough you'll only get amateurs.
You have to be aware of who's driving this, a failed Presidential candidate who went on to fail to get the position of National Treasurer the same year

Honestly Rangler I've no idea of the inner workings of the IFA. I'm broadly supportive of the organisation because I believe that farming needs a strong lobby to fight its corner. This in no way means that I endorse the IFA.

€400k will take a bit of explaining to the ordinary Joe Soap farmer...

patsy_mccabe

Oh Rangler1, here we go again. Do you know any other tune?

rangler1

Dawggone wrote: »

Honestly Rangler I've no idea of the inner workings of the IFA. I'm broadly supportive of the organisation because I believe that farming needs a strong lobby to fight its corner. This in no way means that I endorse the IFA.

€400k will take a bit of explaining to the ordinary Joe Soap farmer...

Don't know what he gets and don't care....but even at department ag rate....wonder what that would amount to with the hours pat smith puts in.

whelan2

was he put straight in on the same salary as his predecessor(sp) ?

Rackstar

Happy as a pig in ****e with that I'd say

rangler1

whelan2 wrote: »

was he put straight in on the same salary as his predecessor(sp) ?

As I say I don't know, I don't like the person that's stirring it so that doesn't help my opinion. I'd be surprised if it is true, but if his overtime is the same rates as the civil service, it wouldn't be hard to hit that figure.
people on here seem to defend civil service pay

RobertKK

rangler1 wrote: »

As I say I don't know, I don't like the person that's stirring it so that doesn't help my opinion. I'd be surprised if it is true, but if his overtime is the same rates as the civil service, it wouldn't be hard to hit that figure.
people on here seem to defend civil service pay

Does the Taoiseach get over time pay?

If the story is true, he is better paid than the Taoiseach, the US President, the British PM, the German Chancellor, the French President...

He is running a farm organisation, not a country.

rangler1

RobertKK wrote: »

Does the Taoiseach get over time pay?

If the story is true, he is better paid than the Taoiseach, the US President, the British PM, the German Chancellor, the French President...

He is running a farm organisation, not a country.

Look, it depends on what he'd get elsewhere, he doesn't have to stay if they drop his salary, Micheal Treacy and Micheal Berkery have moved on to good jobs, so there's no reason Pat Smith won't either

RobertKK

rangler1 wrote: »

Look, it depends on what he'd get elsewhere, he doesn't have to stay if they drop his salary, Micheal Treacy and Micheal Berkery have moved on to good jobs, so there's no reason Pat Smith won't either

The President and other key staff are also having what they earn being questioned too.

Paying a lot of money doesn't mean you get the best.

After the mess the IFA made of the CAP with the farmers on the biggest payments needing protection at the expense of those on smaller payments, this would be very damaging to the IFA.

Look at the Presidential elections, voter numbers were way down and that was in my opinion at unhappiness with the IFA and the top people wanting to protect their large CAP payments.
If the story is true, it won't go down well. It would show an organisation out of touch with the ordinary farmer, whom they claim to represent.

kowtow

rangler1 wrote:

Look, it depends on what he'd get elsewhere, he doesn't have to stay if they drop his salary, Micheal Treacy and Micheal Berkery have moved on to good jobs, so there's no reason Pat Smith won't either

Sounds like a full time salary to me.

Is he full time or does he farm as well?

rangler1

kowtow wrote: »

Sounds like a full time salary to me.

Is he full time or does he farm as well?

He's a paid professional on staff, it's a full time job and more. don't know whether he has a farm

rangler1

RobertKK wrote: »

The President and other key staff are also having what they earn being questioned too.

Paying a lot of money doesn't mean you get the best.

After the mess the IFA made of the CAP with the farmers on the biggest payments needing protection at the expense of those on smaller payments, this would be very damaging to the IFA.

Look at the Presidential elections, voter numbers were way down and that was in my opinion at unhappiness with the IFA and the top people wanting to protect their large CAP payments.
If the story is true, it won't go down well. It would show an organisation out of touch with the ordinary farmer, whom they claim to represent.

I don't see that it matters how it relates to farmers, it has to relate to the real world when you go looking to employ professionals

Grueller

rangler1 wrote: »

It was under Pat Smiths management as Director of Organisation that IFA has got the financial security it has, so in a sense he is worth it.
I always thought that his salary was based on the salary of the head of the department of agriculture. It never really bothered me to ask as like the banks if the package isn't attractive enough you'll only get amateurs.
You have to be aware of who's driving this, a failed Presidential candidate who went on to fail to get the position of National Treasurer the same year

Like Dawggone I am neither pro or anti ifa and we newd a strong lobby that is100%. Whether the ifa provide this or not is a whole other debate but seriously rangler, are you defending an €8000 PER WEEK wage when annual average farm incomes are not a lot above this?

On the argument of needing to pay that to get capable people, I would totally disagree. The banks was used as an example but they paid this and got what have since proved to be donkeys regardless of salary.

rangler1

Grueller wrote: »

Like Dawggone I am neither pro or anti ifa and we newd a strong lobby that is100%. Whether the ifa provide this or not is a whole other debate but seriously rangler, are you defending an €8000 PER WEEK wage when annual average farm incomes are not a lot above this?

On the argument of needing to pay that to get capable people, I would totally disagree. The banks was used as an example but they paid this and got what have since proved to be donkeys regardless of salary.

All I'm saying is how many hours would a public servant with 200000/yr have to work to double it. I know he works long hours and his pay is related to an equivalent in civil service.

Just on the banks and the senior civil servants, how come there's no out cry about their pay and they destroyed the lives of hundreds of thousands of young couples. the irish are gone soft...

darragh_haven

Surely If your salary is 200,000 you get paid 200,000. Your not paid by the hour. Your paid to do a job no matter how many hours are involved.

rangler1

darragh_haven wrote: »

Surely If your salary is 200,000 you get paid 200,000. Your not paid by the hour. Your paid to do a job no matter how many hours are involved.

As far as I know people are entitled to overtime.
Any way I'm sure it'll figure itself out

Dawggone

rangler1 wrote: »

As far as I know people are entitled to overtime

??

Bullocks

darragh_haven wrote: »

Surely If your salary is 200,000 you get paid 200,000. Your not paid by the hour. Your paid to do a job no matter how many hours are involved.

Ya for €200000 I'd stay late the odd evening and wouldn't watch the clock

darragh_haven

rangler1 wrote: »

As far as I know people are entitled to overtime.
Any way I'm sure it'll figure itself out

On salaried employment there is no entitlement to overtime.

Grueller

rangler1 wrote: »

As far as I know people are entitled to overtime.
Any way I'm sure it'll figure itself out

Not in the likes of salaried positions at the head of organisations. Per hour workers get it but even tje likes of your local school principal who would put in a lot of time after hours gets no extra. As darragh haven said, they are paid to do the job, not a certain amount of time.

Dawggone

Grueller wrote: »

Not in the likes of salaried positions at the head of organisations. Per hour workers get it but even tje likes of your local school principal who would put in a lot of time after hours gets no extra. As darragh haven said, they are paid to do the job, not a certain amount of time.

LMAO!!
Good man!!

rangler1

Grueller wrote: »

Not in the likes of salaried positions at the head of organisations. Per hour workers get it but even tje likes of your local school principal who would put in a lot of time after hours gets no extra. As darragh haven said, they are paid to do the job, not a certain amount of time.

With how many weeks holidays....wouldn't like to even work out their rate per hour

Grueller

rangler1 wrote: »

With how many weeks holidays....wouldn't like to even work out their rate per hour

Ok bad example maybe but those kind of positions do not get overtime. I worked in a Glanbia processing plant years ago and the manager would have put in hours way above and beyond but only got his contracted salary. No overtime.

Grueller

Dawggone wrote: »

LMAO!!
Good man!!

As I said to rangler, I picked a bad example. I doubt any cs example would be a good one in your eyes though Dawggone given your posting history.;-)

rangler1

Can't understand Derek Deane, he was part of the team that gave Pat Smith the job, you'd think he'd have checked out what was offered. It'll be very hard to change the deal now. Between this and the beef price a lot of things got put back last year and maybe never dealt with

Dawggone

Grueller wrote: »

As I said to rangler, I picked a bad example. I doubt any cs example would be a good one in your eyes though Dawggone given your posting history.;-)

I have been privileged to rub shoulders with the crème of the CS. Privilege....:)

cute geoge

rangler1 wrote: »

With how many weeks holidays....wouldn't like to even work out their rate per hour

Schools might be closed but that does not mean the principal is on holidays.
What responsibility has the general secretary to anyone?
What is his salary and what has he done to warrant extra payments.
Sorry for all the questions but i am getting disillusioned with ifa claptrap

Grueller

rangler1 wrote: »

Can't understand Derek Deane, he was part of the team that gave Pat Smith the job, you'd think he'd have checked out what was offered. It'll be very hard to change the deal now. Between this and the beef price a lot of things got put back last year and maybe never dealt with

If thats the case he has no right to go public now. Does smack of sour grapes given what you posted earlier rangler but it is some wedge and is very bad pr for the association.

rangler1

cute geoge wrote: »

Schools might be closed but that does not mean the principal is on holidays.
What responsibility has the general secretary to anyone?
What is his salary and what has he done to warrant extra payments.
Sorry for all the questions but i am getting disillusioned with ifa claptrap

I'd say your questions will be answered shortly now that it's in the media

Dawggone

cute geoge wrote: »

Schools might be closed but that does not mean the principal is on holidays.

Ahmmmm, that's a tough one Ted!

rangler1

Grueller wrote: »

If thats the case he has no right to go public now. Does smack of sour grapes given what you posted earlier rangler but it is some wedge and is very bad pr for the association.

Glad to be out of it, but it's no harm to have it out in the open.
Driving to Dublin to listen to that was a right pain

blue5000

400k salary, what's the fooking pension going to be?:o

jimmy G M

blue5000 wrote: »

400k salary, what's the fooking pension going to be?:o

And the payoff / golden handshake?

RobertKK

rangler1 wrote: »

I don't see that it matters how it relates to farmers, it has to relate to the real world when you go looking to employ professionals

It is farmers who pay for their membership, who also pay with money taken from milk and cattle checks, that pay these salaries.
That is why it matters.

frazzledhome

Serious blow to the IFA and going to be a hard sell to the farmer members making their contributions.

If one reads the piece properly it's clear that Dean is guessing the amount. Get the story out get attention for whatever reason.

If however it proves to be correct there's no way in hell is the reported salary fitting the position or indeed just reward for the mans capabilities.

I attended a meeting with a small group of farmers at which Mr Smith spoke and to say he was underwhelming is a gross understatement

selectamatic

Dawggone wrote: »

Ahmmmm, that's a tough one Ted!

Drive by a school at about 5 in the evening chances are the principals car will be outside, also not uncommon to see the same car outside a school twice or three times a week during the summer holidays.
I am biased in my defense of teachers but the vast majority of the general public have their head in the sand with regards to the true workload of teaching jobs. Landing into an office and taking it easy on a laptop for a couple of hours is common in many white collar jobs but not a hope a teacher gets that chance, 30 kids don't be long getting restless if they're not kept active and challenged.

alps

frazzledhome wrote: »

Serious blow to the IFA and going to be a hard sell to the farmer members making their contributions.

If one reads the piece properly it's clear that Dean is guessing the amount. Get the story out get attention for whatever reason.

If however it proves to be correct there's no way in hell is the reported salary fitting the position or indeed just reward for the mans capabilities.

I attended a meeting with a small group of farmers at which Mr Smith spoke and to say he was underwhelming is a gross understatement

I would reckon this is Deane's launch on the top job. We're just 2 years out and reckon if it's not Deane it's a coleague and they will run the anti establishment ploy. If this is the case were in for a boisterous 2 years.

400k, absolute abhorrent money, alleged to here but could be a sum made up of salary, pension sub, and also many lucrative board positions that the general secretary holds.

Gonna be a lot of head scratching around the country by officers and volunteers who put up hours and milage for nothing in their quest to better themselves, their neighbours and their colleagues.

Keep saying it..."Animal Farm"....the complete manual in understanding the workings if the world..

MF290

alps wrote: »

I would reckon this is Deane's launch on the top job. We're just 2 years out and reckon if it's not Deane it's a coleague and they will run the anti establishment ploy. If this is the case were in for a boisterous 2 years.

Unlikely as Deane is in the politics side and would only be on expenses only same as Downey. Deane wouldn't have the experience or qualifications to take on Smith's role. Could have taken you up wrong if you mean he is looking to take on the presidents role though

alps

MF290 wrote: »

Unlikely as Deane is in the politics side and would only be on expenses only same as Downey. Deane wouldn't have the experience or qualifications to take on Smith's role. Could have taken you up wrong if you mean he is looking to take on the presidents role though

Yep....someone's pushing for President

whelan2

wasnt this made public months ago? Think it was on the front page of the findo. Out of interest how much would Eddie Downey be on?

rangler1

RobertKK wrote: »

It is farmers who pay for their membership, who also pay with money taken from milk and cattle checks, that pay these salaries.
That is why it matters.

So you can get your accountant/vet/dr to work for the same rate as you:rolleyes:

merryberry

So the SG's salary is private information. Typical IFA double speak...they dont really set a good precedence so when calling for transparency within industry

rangler1

blue5000 wrote: »

400k salary, what's the fooking pension going to be?:o

I think that's where it differs from civil service in that his pension is based on what he or ifa pays in....can't see it being the cs bonanza anyway

adam14

Your pension can only be max 60k after which point it is tax inefficient to save for one. That says it all about 400k salary. And you have rangler trying to justify it! Head of IBEC on half that. Fair play to Derek Deane

wallycool

I sold corn to the co op and there was money taken off cheque and when I looked at invoice it was from IFA , I went back in to co op to tell them I did not agree to giving them money but they told me that they can't give me back that money.
That to me is daylight robbery and I should have gone down to the garda station to report a robbery.
The IFA do nothing for farmers and they also come to my and other farmers door looking for money too .
I think the farmers themself need to stand together like the french and protest against bad prices.

Willfarman

A lad that can't be good to himself can't be any good to anyone else Rangler isn't that it?
Ah nearly time for a seasonal pull out of the placards now.
Angry farmer, boiling point, crisis.. Get seen on the 9 o'clock news now and sure that'll keep the membership coming..

whelan2

rangler1 wrote: »

Look, it depends on what he'd get elsewhere, he doesn't have to stay if they drop his salary, Micheal Treacy and Micheal Berkery have moved on to good jobs, so there's no reason Pat Smith won't either

Tbh I don't think Berkery has worked well in fbd

rangler1

adam14 wrote: »

Your pension can only be max 60k after which point it is tax inefficient to save for one. That says it all about 400k salary. And you have rangler trying to justify it! Head of IBEC on half that. Fair play to Derek Deane

Derek deane kicked off like this at the agm and demanded that there be a vote of no confidence in pat smith, and he wanted to have the vote in three weeks.
You can ask anyone that was there if this is true, but I kicked off the charge against Derek and insisted on the vote being held immediately because I know the way he'd be canvassing and I really thought we put him back in his box, but alas, I wasn't there to mark him after that.
Where will this stop, I wouldn't support transparency because our expenses are pathetic towards the real world, and that's the next thing the members would expect to know