Possible 6 Nations Team?

PTH2009 · 08-12-2015 12:43pm

the first game will be very tough and if we lose it the grand slam is gone and the triple crown is also gone.

08-12-2015 12:51pm

Wouldn't be surprised if we moved to a
6. SOB
7. Henry
8. Heaslip

backrow

thomond2006 · 08-12-2015 1:27pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

the first game will be very tough and if we lose it the grand slam is gone and the triple crown is also gone.

Positive PTH as usual!

vienne86 · 08-12-2015 2:36pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

the first game will be very tough and if we lose it the grand slam is gone and the triple crown is also gone.

We are lucky that our first game is at home - and of course we would need to win it.

molloyjh · 08-12-2015 3:47pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Wouldn't be surprised if we moved to a
6. SOB
7. Henry
8. Heaslip

backrow

If Ruddock can stay fit we could very easily see Ruddock, SOB, Heaslip either.

vienne86 · 08-12-2015 5:37pm

molloyjh wrote: »

If Ruddock can stay fit we could very easily see Ruddock, SOB, Heaslip either.

I just hope SOB is all right. This inner ear problem sounds mysterious.

bilston · 08-12-2015 7:27pm

molloyjh wrote: »

Injuries are going to be hugely problematic for us this season. I don't think Seanie is going to be fit. I'm fairly worried about that inner ear thing tbh. It could see him out for a while. Mike Ross looks to have fallen behind Moore and Furlong at Leinster, and if that's the case I can't see him starting for Ireland. I also don't see Earls getting named at 13 at all. I have McGrath as replacement SH, but I'm not convinced he'll get the nod there. Might we see Marmion at 21 instead? I think we might be looking at something like:

McGrath Best Moore
Ryan Toner
Ruddock Heaslip Henry

Murray Sexton
Fitzgerald Henshaw
Earls Kearney Trimble

Cronin, Healy, Furlong, Foley, Murphy, McGrath, Madigan, Zebo

Didn't realise Ross was out of the Leinster altogether. My thinking ws that we have lost POC and POM from the pack and probably their replacement in Henderson so we might need Ross's experience. But if he isn't in the Leinster 23 he has very little.chance of starting or even being involved at all with Ireland.

molloyjh · 08-12-2015 8:02pm

bilston wrote: »

Didn't realise Ross was out of the Leinster altogether. My thinking ws that we have lost POC and POM from the pack and probably their replacement in Henderson so we might need Ross's experience. But if he isn't in the Leinster 23 he has very little.chance of starting or even being involved at all with Ireland.

Well he wasn't in the last 2 squad announcements. And I'd have thought if he was due to play in Toulon he'd have gotten at least some game time against Glasgow or Ulster. That said, it's only been 2 weeks so I may be jumping the gun a bit there.

whatawaster · 11-12-2015 3:25pm

I would like to see

McGrath

Best

Moore

Toner

Henderson

--Stander----Heaslip

O'Brien----

Murray----Sexton

McCloskey--Henshaw

Gilroy

Fitzgerald

Kearney

Doubt we will see that or close to it though.

In particular, our back 3 is in desperate need of quality broken field runners. Not sure who is out there apart from Gilroy who offers that, but we need something different. I think Bowe is finished for Ireland and I don't think Dave Kearney offers enough in attack.

11-12-2015 3:36pm

^^ Henderson is out for the season

If you want broken field runners you have to have Earls @ 14 btw

molloyjh · 11-12-2015 4:17pm

McGrath Best Moore
Toner Ryan
Ruddock Heaslip SOB

Murray Sexton
McCloskey Henshaw
Fitzgerald R Kearney Earls

Cronin, Healy, Furlong, Foley, Murphy, McGrath, Madigan, Timble

Noopti · 11-12-2015 4:28pm

I'm not banking on SOB being there unfortunately. I think Stander will at least be on the bench, especially with no POM and Henderson gone. We will need someone who can make consistent hard yards. I think it will be a toss up between Ruddock and Stander for many of the games, and that form in Europe will play a big role on who will be picked. I also think that Ruddock or Stander, combined with Heaslip and Henry is a very balanced backrow unit.

I think it will be

McGrath, Best, Moore
Ryan, Toner
Stander, Heaslip, Henry

Murray, Sexton
Fitz, Henshaw
Earls, Kearney, Trimble

Journeyman_1 · 11-12-2015 4:47pm

I have a feeling that without guys like Payne and Bowe in the team, there will be a shift in attacking strategy. In the last few years our gameplan has mostly been around kicking for territory and to win possession back. Fitz/earls/mcCloskey just don't compare in this regard. this was somewhat apparent in the WC but with more time to prepare for these guys being out, I think Joe will make some changes and have the guys focus more on keeping possession.

kuang1 · 11-12-2015 4:51pm

molloyjh wrote: »

McGrath Best Moore
Toner Ryan
Ruddock Heaslip SOB

Murray Sexton
McCloskey Henshaw
Fitzgerald R Kearney Earls

Cronin, Healy, Furlong, Foley, Murphy, McGrath, Madigan, Timble

Swap Zebo for r kearney, and have rob on the bench instead of trimble.

The Rape of Lucretia · 11-12-2015 5:06pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

the first game will be very tough and if we lose it the grand slam is gone and the triple crown is also gone.

Thats an interesting observation, but I wouldnt be quite so downbeat. There are plenty of examples in the history of the 5/6 Nations of teams going on to win the Grand Slam and the Tripic Crown even after loosing the first game, even against a home nation one.

kuang1 · 11-12-2015 5:58pm

PTH2009 wrote: »

the first game will be very tough and if we lose it the grand slam is gone and the triple crown is also gone.

Lol...

bilston · 11-12-2015 7:21pm

The Rape of Lucretia wrote: »

Thats an interesting observation, but I wouldnt be quite so downbeat. There are plenty of examples in the history of the 5/6 Nations of teams going on to win the Grand Slam and the Tripic Crown even after loosing the first game, even against a home nation one.

That was almost too subtle...

dtpc191991 · 11-12-2015 10:08pm

I think we now may as well use this Six Nations to build so here is a fun thought depending on fitness.

1. McGrath 2. Strauss 3. Moore
4. Toner 5. Muldowney
6. CJ Stander 7. SOB 8.Heaslip
9. Murray 10. Sexton
11. Luke Fitz
12. McCloskey
13. Henshaw
14. T. O'Halloran
15. R. Kearney
16. Cronin/Best
17. C. Healy
18. N White
19. D. Ryan
20. J Van Der Flier
21. K. Marmion
22. Madigan
23. K. Earls

The Pheasant2 · 11-12-2015 10:27pm

dtpc191991 wrote: »

I think we now may as well use this Six Nations to build so here is a fun thought depending on fitness.

1. McGrath 2. Strauss 3. Moore
4. Toner 5. Muldowney
6. CJ Stander 7. SOB
9. Murray 10. Sexton
11. Luke Fitz
12. McCloskey
13. Henshaw
14. T. O'Halloran
15. R. Kearney
16. Cronin/Best
17. C. Healy
18. N White
19. D. Ryan
20. J Van Der Flier
21. K. Marmion
22. Madigan
23. K. Earls

Muldowney is 32...is there much point?

Journeyman_1 · 11-12-2015 10:33pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Muldowney is 32...is there much point?

Same goes for white, and can we play a no. 8?

dtpc191991 · 11-12-2015 10:39pm

I only picked White because I couldn't think of another option and I wasn't aware of Muldowney's age just his good form.

Put Heaslip in there tbh I would rather like to try Stander at 8 but and maybe Conan or Ruddock at 6.

vienne86 · 11-12-2015 11:22pm

McCloskey certainly put his had up tonight, and I would think that Luke Marshall has put himself back in the mix as well.

bilston · 11-12-2015 11:49pm

vienne86 wrote: »

McCloskey certainly put his had up tonight, and I would think that Luke Marshall has put himself back in the mix as well.

The issue for McCloskey is that he hasn't really been involved at all yet with Ireland. Joe has a history of breaking players in slowly, he did it with Henshaw and Henderson, I reckon there is a chance that McCloskey may be waiting until SA before he gets a shot.

Then again I don't think there is a centre in Ireland playing as well as him this season

Journeyman_1 · 12-12-2015 12:09am

dtpc191991 wrote: »

I only picked White because I couldn't think of another option and I wasn't aware of Muldowney's age just his good form.

Put Heaslip in there tbh I would rather like to try Stander at 8 but and maybe Conan or Ruddock at 6.

Furlong/Moore will likely be the TH future for at least Ireland and hopefully Leinster too!

case885 · 12-12-2015 12:18am

bilston wrote:

The issue for McCloskey is that he hasn't really been involved at all yet with Ireland. Joe has a history of breaking players in slowly, he did it with Henshaw and Henderson, I reckon there is a chance that McCloskey may be waiting until SA before he gets a shot.

Who will partner henshaw if Payne is out?
I just don't see the reason of keeping McCloskey out when he's playing so well, Marshall is putting his hand up now too after tonight.

12-12-2015 7:48am

dtpc191991 wrote: »

I think we now may as well use this Six Nations to build so here is a fun thought depending on fitness.

1. McGrath 2. Strauss 3. Moore
4. Toner 5. Muldowney
6. CJ Stander 7. SOB 8.Heaslip
9. Murray 10. Sexton
11. Luke Fitz
12. McCloskey
13. Henshaw
14. T. O'Halloran
15. R. Kearney
16. Cronin/Best
17. C. Healy
18. N White
19. D. Ryan
20. J Van Der Flier
21. K. Marmion
22. Madigan
23. K. Earls

If you're looking to build, then I would go so far as phasing Sexton out. He won't be at the next world cup (and if he is, then I hold little hope for Ireland), and he won't return to his peak.

You don't want a repeat of BOD where he continued playing too close to the next RWC and a sufficient replacement wasn't developed.

jacothelad · 12-12-2015 12:43pm

Basil3 wrote: »

If you're looking to build, then I would go so far as phasing Sexton out. He won't be at the next world cup (and if he is, then I hold little hope for Ireland), and he won't return to his peak.

You don't want a repeat of BOD where he continued playing too close to the next RWC and a sufficient replacement wasn't developed.

I suspect most of us hope you are wrong about Sexton not getting back to his best. I also have a nagging doubt that he has looked less than 100% 'right' for a while. He looks like he really needs a proper break. Time for Madigan to get a run with Marsh or Byrne and give Sexton the league games off.

hype101 · 30-12-2015 5:21pm

1. McGrath
2. Best
3. Furlong
4. Toner
5. Ryan
6. Ruddock
7. SOB
8. Heaslip
9. Murray
10. Sexton
11. Fitzgerald
12. McCloskey
13. Ringrose
14. Zebo
15. Henshaw

16. Healy 17. Sherry 18. Moore 19. McCarthy 20. Stander 21. Marmion 22. Madigan 23. Gilroy

Harry FM · 30-12-2015 5:50pm

Amazing how 12 months ago we had so few options in the centres. And now we have at least 6 players in good form for the provinces and in contention for a spot in the XV for the 6 nations.

Henshaw, McCloskey, Fitzgerald, Ringrose, L.Marshall, Payne (if fit), Earls

Harry FM · 30-12-2015 5:54pm

Here's my team

1-McGrath
2-Best
3-Furlong
4-Ryan
5-Toner
6-Stander
7-O'Brien
8-Heaslip

9-Murray
10-Sexton
11-Zebo
12-Fitzgerald
13-Henshaw
14-Gilroy
15-R.Kearney

16-Cronin
17-Healy
18-Moore
19-Tuohy
20-Ruddock
21-Marmion
22-Jackson
23-Earls

Possible 6 Nations Team?

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