This mornings M50 crash being treated as a crime scene

Melisandre121

It's unusual that they're treating this as a crime rather than an accident and are asking for witnesses. I wonder why that is?

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/1111/741024-news-in-brief/

amdublin

That's fairly standard imo for accidents to look for witnesses and to treat as a crime/accident

dubscottie

There may be the possibility that the woman injured may not make it and that charges of death by dangerous driving may follow.

By the nature of RTC's they have to gather all the evidence ASAP as they cant go back later as it will be gone. (washed away etc)

Wibbs

Poor woman.

Hammer89

Surely if somebody dies, or is very seriously injured, they have to consider it a crime until they determine what actually happened and why?

libelula

Hammer89 wrote: »

Surely if somebody dies, or is very seriously injured, they have to consider it a crime until they determine what actually happened and why?

Bit unfair on parties involved to automatically accuse then of a crime just for being involved in an accident?

whatismyname

Melisandre121 wrote: »

It's unusual that they're treating this as a crime rather than an accident and are asking for witnesses. I wonder why that is?

http://m.rte.ie/news/2015/1111/741024-news-in-brief/

Guessing I'm missing something, but I can't see anywhere in that link that it says it's being treated as a crime?

Canterelle

Did u see her car, Jesus poor woman, of course they need to know what happened. No big deal imo closing the southbound lane for a few hours for that.

Melisandre121

whatismyname wrote: »

Guessing I'm missing something, but I can't see anywhere in that link that it says it's being treated as a crime?

There's a video on the page which states it's being treated as a crime.

whatismyname

Melisandre121 wrote: »

There's a video on the page which states it's being treated as a crime.

Ah cool thanks, completely missed that it was a video

allthedoyles

Truck drivers that passed by told me that the car was in middle lane and sandwiched by 2 trucks .

Thank god the woman survived

HeidiHeidi

allthedoyles wrote: »

Truck drivers that passed by told me that the car was in middle lane and sandwiched by 2 trucks .

Thank god the woman survived

*shudder*

:eek:

Best wishes to the injured woman.

Don't they always treat accidents such as this as crimes? Well, with regards to similar forensic investigations.

SEPT 23 1989

I knew the six hour closure didn't add up

SEPT 23 1989

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Don't they always treat accidents such as this as crimes? Well, with regards to similar forensic investigations.

No

kneemos

Canterelle wrote: »

Did u see her car, Jesus poor woman, of course they need to know what happened. No big deal imo closing the southbound lane for a few hours for that.

Closed for seven hours.They need to look at their evidence gathering methods.

HeidiHeidi

kneemos wrote: »

Closed for seven hours.They need to look at their evidence gathering methods.

Have you any idea what their evidence-gathering involves?

I haven't either.

But I'd be willing to bet that they weren't out there this morning playing Snap in the hard shoulder while the city ground to a halt.

A woman nearly died, by all accounts, and you'd begrudge them the time to investigate that properly?

Greenmachine

Looks like the car cut across the path of the first truck and got t-boned.

bemak

Hopefully she'll pull through. Must be bad if they've had to take that amount of time to close the road. I only passed over from the N4 but I had imagined it being nearer the 'corkscrew' link road for some reason. Seemed a bit further down. Hopefully they find the cause.

Superhorse

Canterelle wrote: »

Did u see her car, Jesus poor woman, of course they need to know what happened. No big deal imo closing the southbound lane for a few hours for that.

The shear amount of "me me me" type posts on here and social networking sites today was unreal. Nobody gave a sh it about the poor woman it was all about being late for work by a couple of hours etc..

Some evil feckers out there tbh would make you sick.

I hope to jesus the woman pulls through and makes a full recovery.

smash

Superhorse wrote: »

The shear amount of "me me me" type posts on here and social networking sites today was unreal. Nobody gave a sh it about the poor woman it was all about being late for work by a couple of hours etc..

Some evil feckers out there tbh would make you sick.

I hope to jesus the woman pulls through and makes a full recovery.

Everyone hopes she pulls through, but you can't blame people for being pissed off after sitting in their cars for hours on end when there were no details given about the severity of the incident other than there was one injured party and she was taken directly to the hospital. A 7 hour closure on the busiest road in the country is insane.

Amirani

Superhorse wrote: »

The shear amount of "me me me" type posts on here and social networking sites today was unreal. Nobody gave a sh it about the poor woman it was all about being late for work by a couple of hours etc..

Some evil feckers out there tbh would make you sick.

I'd hardly call it evil when people are worried about being late for work. I'd imagine they were hoping she pulled through too, but its quite justifiable to be annoyed by such a long closure.

vienne86

I'll bet the investigators were well aware of the chaos they were causing and did their work as fast as they possibly could. Hearing the minister on radio suggesting that management of road closures and their impact on traffic flow makes me wonder what on earth he has in mind.

It sounded like an awful accident, and we all hope the woman is going to be OK.

AtomicHorror

Greenmachine wrote: »

Looks like the car cut across the path of the first truck and got t-boned.

Just to be clear, is this conclusion which implies fault on behalf of a person currently fighting for her life based on:

a) A solid background in crash investigation, a painstaking collection and analysis of the evidence and consultation with your expert peers, or

b) A photo of a banged up car?

ted1

Canterelle wrote: »

Did u see her car, Jesus poor woman, of course they need to know what happened. No big deal imo closing the southbound lane for a few hours for that.

The car always looks worse after the fire brigade have got at it.

Oops69

This closure today cost the economy millions , yes it's a terrible incident but there is no justification for closing the main lifeline of a city of 1.5 million people for an incident like this , there must be a better way .

Seth Brundle

libelula wrote: »

Bit unfair on parties involved to automatically accuse then of a crime just for being involved in an accident?

They haven't accused anyone of a crime and even if they did, you're innocent until proven guilty.

kneemos wrote: »

Closed for seven hours.They need to look at their evidence gathering methods.

You're dead right. Feck getting an accurate explanation into why serious incidents occur. Sure just write down that the vehicles collided and close the case.
While we're at it, let's just quickly close all murder, rape and any other crimes. they cost the state far too much to complete properly!

EazyD

My girlfriend almost missed her graduation today as a result, 3 and a half hour journey from Blanch into town. Hopefully the woman will pull through and make a full recovery.

Seth Brundle

EazyD wrote: »

My girlfriend almost missed her graduation today as a result, 3 and a half hour journey from Blanch into town. Hopefully the woman will pull through and make a full recovery.

I hope that your gf pulls through and makes a full recovery from her ordeal. :rolleyes:

EazyD

kbannon wrote: »

I hope that your gf pulls through and makes a full recovery from her ordeal. :rolleyes:

Thanks smartarse, fortunately she did make it, albeit late. Not all of us had a duvet day like yourself.

kneemos

kbannon wrote: »

They haven't accused anyone of a crime and even if they did, you're innocent until proven guilty.


You're dead right. Feck getting an accurate explanation into why serious incidents occur. Sure just write down that the vehicles collided and close the case.
While we're at it, let's just quickly close all murder, rape and any other crimes. they cost the state far too much to complete properly!

Save us the melodrama.

RHJ

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AtomicHorror

kneemos wrote: »

Save us the melodrama.

Us? You're on your own fella.

Mongfinder General

Moral of the story. Don't use the M50. Use the rat runs and secret network of underground tunnels.

AtomicHorror

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Moral of the story. Don't use the M50. Use the rat runs and secret network of underground tunnels.

You're not supposed to talk about the tunnels.

XR3i

thoughts and prayers with the injured driver

ted1

RHJ wrote: »

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they look at the road surface and various other external conditions

vienne86

I was in China a few years ago and on a tour we came upon an accident - a guy was lying dead in the middle of the road, just covered with a sheet of plastic. The traffic, including our bus, just drove around the body. Heaven help us if we ever get to consider life cheap like that.

As a woman just said on RTE - we were all able to drive on and get to our destinations yesterday, albeit late. The injured woman couldn't do that.

lawred2

allthedoyles wrote: »

Truck drivers that passed by told me that the car was in middle lane and sandwiched by 2 trucks .

Thank god the woman survived

neither of those trucks should have been in the middle lane..

Red Kev

lawred2 wrote: »

neither of those trucks should have been in the middle lane..

Trucks are perfectly entitled to be in the middle lane of a 3 lane motorway.

Superhorse

Oops69 wrote: »

This closure today cost the economy millions , yes it's a terrible incident but there is no justification for closing the main lifeline of a city of 1.5 million people for an incident like this , there must be a better way .

So it cost millions, so the feck what. What do you want here a situation like India where they just roll the car into the ditch with the person still in it so people can get on with their day. Honestly people are so self centred it's sickening at times.

lawred2

Red Kev wrote: »

Trucks are perfectly entitled to be in the middle lane of a 3 lane motorway.

only if overtaking

_davidsmith_

Way i see it is that its a terrible thing to happen to ANYONE. Imagine if that was your family member, you would be fuming if people were annoyed at being late.

BUT you also cant blame the 1.5 million people affected by 1 or 2 or 3 peoples neglience. Accidents happen but when someone manages to crach driving in a straight line on a motorway it irrates people.

Saying my girlfriend almost missed her grad while a woman lays in a hospital bed is a stupid thing to post and be annoyed about, but your girlfriend is still entitled to be annoyed at the situation.

It drives me crazy being caught in a tailback because some idiot stopped paying attention and milled into the car in front, but it could happen to all of us.

There are way to many cars on the road, the M50 is a disaster, we all know this. But have some tact, be p*ssed off that you were late but have some empathy at the same time.

lawred2

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

Way i see it is that its a terrible thing to happen to ANYONE. Imagine if that was your family member, you would be fuming if people were annoyed at being late.

BUT you also cant blame the 1.5 million people affected by 1 or 2 or 3 peoples neglience. Accidents happen but when someone manages to crach driving in a straight line on a motorway it irrates people.

Saying my girlfriend almost missed her grad while a woman lays in a hospital bed is a stupid thing to post and be annoyed about, but your girlfriend is still entitled to be annoyed at the situation.

It drives me crazy being caught in a tailback because some idiot stopped paying attention and milled into the car in front, but it could happen to all of us.

There are way to many cars on the road, the M50 is a disaster, we all know this. But have some tact, be p*ssed off that you were late but have some empathy at the same time.

how many?

so the entire population of greater Dublin was using the M50 yesterday?

kneemos

Superhorse wrote: »

So it cost millions, so the feck what. What do you want here a situation like India where they just roll the car into the ditch with the person still in it so people can get on with their day. Honestly people are so self centred it's sickening at times.

More efficient methods for arteries like the M50 would do.
It has nothing to do with the injured woman.

_davidsmith_

lawred2 wrote: »

how many?

so the entire population of greater Dublin was using the M50 yesterday?

So youre arguing with the premise of my post or the specific part where i mis read something earlier?

Im just trying to gauge how much of an assh*le you are.

sonny.knowles

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

So youre arguing with the premise of my post or the specific part where i mis read something earlier?

Im just trying to gauge how much of an assh*le you are.

Exaggerate much?

hardCopy

lawred2 wrote: »

only if overtaking

They shouldn't be allowed overtake at all.

Two speed limited trucks passing takes an age and blocks both lanes for negligible benefit.

lawred2

_davidsmith_ wrote: »

So youre arguing with the premise of my post or the specific part where i mis read something earlier?

Im just trying to gauge how much of an assh*le you are.

Charming stuff.

You were making a point on behalf of a cohort of people. However the size of that cohort of people has been enormously exaggerated.

By at least a factor of 20. Garda figures point to 28000 cars having to be discommoded by yesterday's incident.

It's kinda central to the point.

lawred2

hardCopy wrote: »

They shouldn't be allowed overtake at all.

Two speed limited trucks passing takes an age and blocks both lanes for negligible benefit.

100%

On two lane motorways they are NOT allowed overtake. Yet it happens all the time. Without any consequence whatsoever.

On three lane motorways; trucks are briefly permitted into second lane for overtaking. But only for overtaking. Doesn't stop them using all three on the M50.

I'd argue that there should be no allowance for trucks outside of lane 1 save for situations where traffic is stationary.

kneemos

hardCopy wrote: »

They shouldn't be allowed overtake at all.

Two speed limited trucks passing takes an age and blocks both lanes for negligible benefit.

We don't know how they got in the middle lane in fairness.