Is there life after death?

Hagar7

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Then I can do little but assume you understand nothing about what CERN is and does and what it is for. That and simply remain thankful that your relevance to the purse strings is precisely zero.
Somebody laments the fact there is nothing but baseless opinion.... and you respond with a video of someone offering baseless opinion???
I am all for hope too. I however do not need to subscribe to ideas without evidence in order to obtain any.

Imo,CERN is a waste of €€€,there's as much a chance of finding the answer by hitting two conkers together rather than two protons,put it in the bin along with the moon missions,another load of crap.

As for you dismissing the late Dr.Lloyd Rudy,a top class doctor at that,I give up.

Kev W

Hagar7 wrote: »

Imo,CERN is a waste of €€€,there's as much a chance of finding the answer by hitting two conkers together rather than two protons,put it in the bin along with the moon missions,another load of crap.

As for you dismissing the late Dr.Lloyd Rudy,a top class doctor at that,I give up.

Actually that was me dismissing Dr. Rudy. Because you presented his story as "evidence" when it was not.

ScumLord

Hagar7 wrote: »

Imo,CERN is a waste of €€€,there's as much a chance of finding the answer by hitting two conkers together rather than two protons,put it in the bin along with the moon missions,another load of crap.

As for you dismissing the late Dr.Lloyd Rudy,a top class doctor at that,I give up.

Yeah, so you know nothing about what cern does then.

The Moon missions ended 40 years ago, so you can relax on that one. But again, saying moon mission are a load of crap highlights ignorance more than anything.

AmboMan

I lost my password and the email account I used originally is no longer in existence!

Baggy Trousers wrote: »

Heavy first post!

AmboMan

I like you thinking !

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Well given the post contained NONE of that, you have at least proven the start of your post to be true. You did not read it

Not reading it is one thing, nothing wrong with that. Inventing what it contains while not reading though.... that is a whole lower level to stoop to. And you want to talk about "shame". For shame!



Oh good another chance to test out "nozzferrahhtoos first law of forum posting" which states "the probability of a user responding to you goes UP with each indication they will not be".



I want someone with serious alcohol issues to get my organs then! For them it will be a new lease of life. But by your idea for ME it will be I had Life..... then I had death.... then party time all the time!!!!

Hagar7

ScumLord wrote: »

Yeah, so you know nothing about what cern does then.

The Moon missions ended 40 years ago, so you can relax on that one. But again, saying moon mission are a load of crap highlights ignorance more than anything.

Ignorance is bliss to some folk,try the USSR and Luna 15.

nozzferrahhtoo

Hagar7 wrote: »

Imo,CERN is a waste of €€€,there's as much a chance of finding the answer by hitting two conkers together rather than two protons

A mere verification of my suspicion that you neither know what CERN is for, nor what they do. And no I will not be taking the bait on your little attempt to derail the thread into a conversation about moon landings

Hagar7 wrote: »

As for you dismissing the late Dr.Lloyd Rudy,a top class doctor at that,I give up.

I was discussing what the person said, not who they or their credentials were. I do not put much faith in credentials. I put faith in what people say, and how they substantiate what they say.

But this one I am happy to take the bait on. The video is 10 minutes long. Let us see what is actually IN the video shall we? After all the video has the lofty title of "Proof of life after death". In all CAPS no less. So let us by all means evaluate this proof!!!!

I will do a minute by minute break down:

Minute 1: No proof here. Just a summary of the fact this doctor has experience in the operating theater.

Between minute 1 and 2: Something off here. Some of what the Dr. said is actually cut out here. I can only guess what that might have been. Possibly something that did not suit the agenda of the video poster.

Minute 2: Starts with us being told "So that is what happened to this man" but we do not actually know what "that" is of course..... it was cut out. Something around 1:25 also looks to have been cut out!!! But mostly minute 2 is just a summary of the operation and the complications of it. No proof here. Further something is off here in that as soon as they "turned the machines off" some of them "went to have a sandwich". That is not proper procedure AT ALL so I am doubting the veracity of this story already. They would have had a lot of procedures and paper work and more to engage in before ducking out to the local lunch box.

Minute 3: Something is even weirder here. After "calling death" on the patient they claim to have left ALL the machines and monitors running? With paper print outs piling out onto the floor. Even through the time that a post-mortem closure was being performed on the patient? I hope we have a surgeon reading this thread who will come in and comment on THAT for a start. That said: No Proof here yet. But I can see where this is going already.

Minute 4: More material cut out badly at 3:13 area here. I would love to see the full interview to know what this dr. was actually saying rather than this cherry picked cut-edit version. More strange procedures here on machines left running out of protocol. I would LOVE to read the investigation papers on this operation some day, if an investigation were ever called for. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 5: Dr. Admits he has no records or accurate memory of this event. He pulls "20 minutes" out of his head. He can show no paper work or anything to show this. And at this point they noticed the monitors registering activity which got stronger. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 6: See minute 5, same thing. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 7: More information on the patient continuing to recover. So much like minute 5 and 6. At the end of this minute they start talking about things like "White Lights" and "Out of Body Experience". But only starting. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 8: At this point it is just more about the room. The patient describing the room. Replete with the usual claim we get with NDE of "He was describing things he could not have known". In this case post-it notes. But still No Proof Here. Also how was he questioned about these things? Can we hear the interview? Have you ever heard of "interviewer led answers" Which are a HUGE issue in things like NDE and even things like.... for example.... accusations of child sex abuse?

Minute 9: "He did not wake up and see this stuff". Ok how do we know this? The Dr. just declares it. But how do we KNOW this. We do not. At all. We have nothing but this one persons word for it. A person who has already indicated not having that great a memory of the event. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 10: Now he is just going off on a complete weird nonsense. "We all felt a presence". Come on, what can we do with that? DEFINITELY No Proof Here.

Minute 11: Doctor just talking about having faith in gods. No Proof Here.

Summary: So despite the all CAPS title of the video, there is no proof of any sort here of a life after death. Rather we have an anecdotal but undocumented experience of a patient who nearly died, but did not die, and reports having had experiences during the period of "clinical" death.

So yes Hagar, regale me, regale me at length, with what you feel I am "Dismissing" here. I have engaged with the content, considered it closely, listened to it word for word SO closely in fact I can pick out the parts where stuff has literally been cut out of the video. And I have replied to it in detail minute by minute. So please..... substantiate your accusations of "dismissal" here. I am agog. Truly agog.

Kev W

Hagar7 wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss to some folk,try the USSR and Luna 15.

I looked that up, now what?

ScumLord

Hagar7 wrote: »

Ignorance is bliss to some folk,try the USSR and Luna 15.

What's your point? That it could have been done by a robot? Yeah it could have, but humans were much more successful and at the time much better suited to the task.

The benefits of the moon aren't restricted to scientific study either. There's resources on the moon and getting there is good practice for longer missions.

People living in space is a very realistic possibility, the problems of space travel are starting to become indistinguishable from the problems of living on a planet with limited resources. We're already essentially living on a spaceship, we're just starting to outgrow it.

Hyzepher

If there is life after death what would it be like?

It's not as if there is a physical place and you'll get a physical body.

And if there is life after death why would anyone want it?

lukesmom

Yes there is a place we go to when we're finished on this planet. And I dont mean to a grave or cremated into ashes. That only applies to our physical body. Our spirit body travels back to our source.

nozzferrahhtoo

lukesmom wrote: »

Yes there is a place we go to when we're finished on this planet. And I dont mean to a grave or cremated into ashes. That only applies to our physical body. Our spirit body travels back to our source.

You appear to have access to a data source from which I have thus far been precluded because I am unaware of anything that even remotely lends credence to what you say here. At the risk of wasting my time, dare I politely ask you to share your basis for the above assertions?

lukesmom

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

You appear to have access to a data source from which I have thus far been precluded because I am unaware of anything that even remotely lends credence to what you say here. At the risk of wasting my time, dare I politely ask you to share your basis for the above assertions?

I do indeed have access to a data source that you appear to have no knowledge of. I cannot imagine your rational mind not spontaneously combusting in an attempt to gain understanding of the very basis of the how and why I am privy to this knowledge. Just know that I have a view into this afterlife that you could not begin to try and imagine or comprehend. Good day sir.;)

Pherekydes

lukesmom wrote: »

I do indeed have access to a data source that you have no knowledge of. I cannot imagine your rational mind staying healthy in an attempt to gain understanding of the very basis of the how and why I am privy to this knowledge. Just know that I have a view into this afterlife that you could not begin to try and imagine or comprehend. Good day sir.;)

So, just "take it on faith"?

lukesmom

Pherekydes wrote: »

So, just "take it on faith"?

Take it whichever way you prefer.

Kev W

lukesmom wrote: »

Take it whichever way you prefer.

So you've got nothing.

dirtyden

Kev W wrote: »

So you've got nothing.

Can you prove there is not?

Maximus Alexander

dirtyden wrote: »

Can you prove there is not?

Lol.

wakka12

Hagar7 wrote: »

None?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1nVI5tXMl_g

How is that proof? I think if there was ever proof of an afterlife it would be quite widely publicised news.

dirtyden

Maximus Alexander wrote: »

Lol.

Do you have your own argument to make? Not having evidence of something currently does not necessarily mean one never will have evidence for or against. Many things seemed crazy when initially proposed but have become widely recognised facts with the passage of time.

I would suggest that there is a possibility that intelligent consciousness does not necessarily extinguish upon the death of the body. There is very little known about consciousness currently. I would currently be veering towards that death is pretty final but I certainly would not be ruling out something else.

The Russels teapot argument is lazy.

Hagar7

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

A mere verification of my suspicion that you neither know what CERN is for, nor what they do. And no I will not be taking the bait on your little attempt to derail the thread into a conversation about moon landings

I was discussing what the person said, not who they or their credentials were. I do not put much faith in credentials. I put faith in what people say, and how they substantiate what they say.

But this one I am happy to take the bait on. The video is 10 minutes long. Let us see what is actually IN the video shall we? After all the video has the lofty title of "Proof of life after death". In all CAPS no less. So let us by all means evaluate this proof!!!!

I will do a minute by minute break down:

Minute 1: No proof here. Just a summary of the fact this doctor has experience in the operating theater.

Between minute 1 and 2: Something off here. Some of what the Dr. said is actually cut out here. I can only guess what that might have been. Possibly something that did not suit the agenda of the video poster.

Minute 2: Starts with us being told "So that is what happened to this man" but we do not actually know what "that" is of course..... it was cut out. Something around 1:25 also looks to have been cut out!!! But mostly minute 2 is just a summary of the operation and the complications of it. No proof here. Further something is off here in that as soon as they "turned the machines off" some of them "went to have a sandwich". That is not proper procedure AT ALL so I am doubting the veracity of this story already. They would have had a lot of procedures and paper work and more to engage in before ducking out to the local lunch box.

Minute 3: Something is even weirder here. After "calling death" on the patient they claim to have left ALL the machines and monitors running? With paper print outs piling out onto the floor. Even through the time that a post-mortem closure was being performed on the patient? I hope we have a surgeon reading this thread who will come in and comment on THAT for a start. That said: No Proof here yet. But I can see where this is going already.

Minute 4: More material cut out badly at 3:13 area here. I would love to see the full interview to know what this dr. was actually saying rather than this cherry picked cut-edit version. More strange procedures here on machines left running out of protocol. I would LOVE to read the investigation papers on this operation some day, if an investigation were ever called for. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 5: Dr. Admits he has no records or accurate memory of this event. He pulls "20 minutes" out of his head. He can show no paper work or anything to show this. And at this point they noticed the monitors registering activity which got stronger. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 6: See minute 5, same thing. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 7: More information on the patient continuing to recover. So much like minute 5 and 6. At the end of this minute they start talking about things like "White Lights" and "Out of Body Experience". But only starting. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 8: At this point it is just more about the room. The patient describing the room. Replete with the usual claim we get with NDE of "He was describing things he could not have known". In this case post-it notes. But still No Proof Here. Also how was he questioned about these things? Can we hear the interview? Have you ever heard of "interviewer led answers" Which are a HUGE issue in things like NDE and even things like.... for example.... accusations of child sex abuse?

Minute 9: "He did not wake up and see this stuff". Ok how do we know this? The Dr. just declares it. But how do we KNOW this. We do not. At all. We have nothing but this one persons word for it. A person who has already indicated not having that great a memory of the event. But still No Proof Here.

Minute 10: Now he is just going off on a complete weird nonsense. "We all felt a presence". Come on, what can we do with that? DEFINITELY No Proof Here.

Minute 11: Doctor just talking about having faith in gods. No Proof Here.

Summary: So despite the all CAPS title of the video, there is no proof of any sort here of a life after death. Rather we have an anecdotal but undocumented experience of a patient who nearly died, but did not die, and reports having had experiences during the period of "clinical" death.

So yes Hagar, regale me, regale me at length, with what you feel I am "Dismissing" here. I have engaged with the content, considered it closely, listened to it word for word SO closely in fact I can pick out the parts where stuff has literally been cut out of the video. And I have replied to it in detail minute by minute. So please..... substantiate your accusations of "dismissal" here. I am agog. Truly agog.

I honestly doubt in all my years of using the Internet that I've ever seen anyone dissect my,or anyone else's post as much as you have.
It's a pity you don't believe in LAD because you would make a fine double as Joeseph Bell.:)

Hagar7

lukesmom wrote: »

I do indeed have access to a data source that you appear to have no knowledge of. I cannot imagine your rational mind not spontaneously combusting in an attempt to gain understanding of the very basis of the how and why I am privy to this knowledge. Just know that I have a view into this afterlife that you could not begin to try and imagine or comprehend. Good day sir.;)

Any chance of a PM please.

Hagar7

wakka12 wrote: »

How is that proof? I think if there was ever proof of an afterlife it would be quite widely publicised news.

Google is your friend.

Death is a depressingly inevitable consequence of life, but now scientists believe they may have found some light at the end of the tunnel. The largest ever medical study into near-death and out-of-body experiences has discovered that some awareness may continue even after the brain has shut down completely.7 Oct 2014
First hint of 'life after death' in biggest ever scientific study - Telegraph
www.telegraph.co.uk › science-news › Fi...

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/world-news/is-there-life-after-death-science-of-biocentrism-can-prove-there-is-claims-professor-robert-lanza-29760191.html

mattP

I believe that we have a soul which is divine, and moves on to another place after our body dies. That's what I thought anyway. Recently I've been wondering how is it possible if our soul is divine that we are able to feel pain, or that emotions can have physical effects on the body. I dunno, I do believe in life after death, but Im just curious of the logistics...

Kev W

dirtyden wrote: »

Can you prove there is not?

No, and I never claimed I could.

ThinkProgress

I know what comes next... LEVEL 2... (Life is a game after all)

sonny.knowles

Hopefully there isn't life after ISIS for ISIS members.

ScumLord

mattP wrote: »

I believe that we have a soul which is divine, and moves on to another place after our body dies. That's what I thought anyway. Recently I've been wondering how is it possible if our soul is divine that we are able to feel pain, or that emotions can have physical effects on the body. I dunno, I do believe in life after death, but Im just curious of the logistics...

Because we're not divine, we're an animal that lives in the real world. If we didn't feel pain our head could be on fire and we wouldn't know until our brain cooked.

We lucked out being a sentient life form, born at a pretty advanced stage of understanding and technology. That's about as good a deal as the universe can supply. Everybody should be happy enough with that, without making up fairy tail lands, where somehow everybody gets to be happy without compromise. The real world is a spectacular place, the more we pay attention to it through science, the more it rewards us.

nozzferrahhtoo

lukesmom wrote: »

Just know that I have a view into this afterlife that you could not begin to try and imagine or comprehend. Good day sir.;)

So you got nothing to offer then except ad hominem tripe about what you want to pretend my comprehension abilities are, or are not. That I certainly do comprehend.

dirtyden wrote: »

Many things seemed crazy when initially proposed but have become widely recognised facts with the passage of time.

While that is certainly true, it does not really grant license to assign credence to whatever anyone makes up. Because while it is true some crazy sounding things turned out to be true.... it would appear to be rare.... and the vast majority of unsubstantiated crazy nonsense in the world has remained unsubstantiated with no reason to think it is true.

dirtyden wrote: »

I would suggest that there is a possibility that intelligent consciousness does not necessarily extinguish upon the death of the body. There is very little known about consciousness currently.

I do see anyone on this thread denying the _possibility_ that it could happen. There is just no reason AT ALL at this time to think it DOES happen. And while yes, our knowledge about the functions of consciousness is indeed far from complete.... we can still point out that 100% of that current knowledge points to consciousness being produced solely by the brain and 0% of that knowledge currently suggests any kind of possible disconnect between them.

So like you, I do not think many people here are "ruling it out". But not ruling it out does not mean we should not acknowledge that we have NO reason to think it is true, and quite a few reasons to expect it to be false.

dirtyden wrote: »

The Russels teapot argument is lazy.

As well it should be, because it is designed to rebut an argument that itself is intellectually bankrupt and lazy. When people espouse nonsense and back it up with nothing but "Well you can not prove it is false" then that is empty white noise. And a lazy presentation only deserves a lazy response. And so the Teapot response is quite apt on every level.

Hagar7 wrote: »

I honestly doubt in all my years of using the Internet that I've ever seen anyone dissect my,or anyone else's post as much as you have.

It tends to be a case of "Damned if you do and damned if you do not" I find. People, such as yourself, post these videos knowing that no one will actually bother to watch them. Then they get to claim everyone is just dismissing or ignoring their arguments and evidence.

But then when you DO engage with their videos, like I just did, you yourself get essentially dismissed because people like yourself.... for all your moaning no one engages and just dismisses..... do not actually know how to engage when engagement actually occurs.

So it comes down to a simple question. Do you post videos like that because you actually want to engage with the discussion.... or because you actually want to manufacture a situation where you can just accuse all and sundry or refusing to engage with you, or the evidence?

If you want to engage at any time however, honestly, then my post is there to be replied to. And I am open to anything else you want to paste and me and call "evidence".

lukesmom

Nozzferrahhtoo - if I have learnt anything from this thread it's that you definitely need to get out more my friend.

nozzferrahhtoo

I think I will continue to stick to the topic and not be baited by obvious attempts at personal remarks. Only one of us seems to need to resort to them I have noticed. I would prefer to keep it that way.

lukesmom

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

I think I will continue to stick to the topic and not be baited by obvious attempts at personal remarks. Only one of us seems to need to resort to them I have noticed. I would prefer to keep it that way.

You do realise your posting in the after hours section?

FloatingVoter

Yes. I've been dead. Hope to go back some day.

nozzferrahhtoo

lukesmom wrote: »

You do realise your posting in the after hours section?

Oh yes I very much do, which is why as I said I would prefer to stick to the topic, and not be baited into a derail. And as I see it my question as to whether your claim "Yes there is a place we go to when we're finished on this planet." can be substantiated or clarified was on topic and cordial. But alas it was met with nothing but an ad hominem personal attack on my comprehension abilities.

As I see it the question stands. Is there life after death? And, as you demonstrate so willingly, the answer appears to be that no.... we simply have no reasons on offer to think so.

lukesmom

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

Oh yes I very much do, which is why as I said I would prefer to stick to the topic, and not be baited into a derail. And as I see it my question as to whether your claim "Yes there is a place we go to when we're finished on this planet." can be substantiated or clarified was on topic and cordial. But alas it was met with nothing but an ad hominem personal attack on my comprehension abilities.

As I see it the question stands. Is there life after death? And, as you demonstrate so willingly, the answer appears to be that no.... we simply have no reasons on offer to think so.

I honestly don't mean to offend. It was said in jest so apologies if you took offence. My opinion and beliefs still stand though there is an afterlife and if I tell you how I know, I will be mocked and taken the p out of. I will be called crazy perhaps even schizophrenic so I won't be offering up the source of my beliefs. And no I don't expect you to just take me at my word without explanation. Hopefully somebody comes along who is braver than I am.

Huntergonzo

If you want to know whether there's life after death or not try asking a dead person, if you get an answer then you should see a psychiatrist, if you don't get an answer then you can either accept that there's almost certainly no afterlife or become a priest or a medium or an imam etc and con loads of innocent people out of their money by claiming you can talk to the dead so there must be an afterlife.

Fcukin' hilarious, tragic and baffling all in one how so many people fall for that sh1t.

Kev W

lukesmom wrote: »

I honestly don't mean to offend. It was said in jest so apologies if you took offence. My opinion and beliefs still stand though there is an afterlife and if I tell you how I know, I will be mocked and taken the p out of. I will be called crazy perhaps even schizophrenic so I won't be offering up the source of my beliefs.

If the basis of your belief is that rational minds will find it crazy, perhaps that's because it's irrational and crazy?

lukesmom wrote: »

And no I don't expect you to just take me at my word without explanation. Hopefully somebody comes along who is braver than I am.

Yet you'll happily denigrate anyone who doesn't.

nozzferrahhtoo

lukesmom wrote: »

I honestly don't mean to offend. It was said in jest so apologies if you took offence. My opinion and beliefs still stand though there is an afterlife and if I tell you how I know, I will be mocked and taken the p out of.

I actually do not take offence to anything. Especially not on forums. And especially not THIS forum. I know what it takes to offend me and you are not capable of it (note this is a comment about me, not you).

But I do tend to highlight when I have been cordial, asked a straight forward question, and I am met with comments about my comprehension abilities or told I need to "get out more". Because I feel person ad hominem to dodge losing face is.... well.... low.

You could have, for example, responded to my original question with "No sorry, it is a personal conviction born solely of personal experiences, and is nothing I can share with you". Would that have been so hard? But no, it is all about my comprehension abilities to understand what you got. The failing for YOU to substantiate YOUR claim is mine, not yours, it seems. Puh-leeese.

As for whether you will be mocked, I honestly do not know. You might be. But certainly not by me. I would consider your evidence and either accept it, and modify my belief level in the concept of an after life.... or I would evaluate it and tell you _Exactly_ why I can not accept it.

All I _can_ tell you is that I know that if _I_ thought I had evidence that there is an after life, I would not actually _care_ if people mocked me or not. I would be very strongly compelled to share it with everyone regardless. Because if I really.... REALLY.... thought it was the truth.... then a little meaningless non-entity like a bit of menial mockery would be the last thing that would stop me bringing it to the world. And if for every 100 or 1000 or 10000 people who laughed at me.... just ONE person was convinced of it... I would feel it was worth it. Even the Nazerene, I note, saw fit to inform his followers that they should not only be ok with being mocked when spreading his word.... but they should positively expect it and even revel in it.

But our commitment to the truth and the dissemination of it may vary I guess. It may help I guess, as I said, that I do not take offence and people on here are not capable of offending or mocking me. So it would be easier for me to bear the brunt of such antics. When people resort to the level of posts you just did, they demean themselves not me. And I am neither insulted nor offended by it. Just disappointed that open, honest, cordial, intellectual discourse has broken down.

colossus-x

Surly life is a term to where we are all now, with bugs trees etc. Is there existence after life ,in some other non-life-like form, is the question. No trees , no bugs. If there was life after life then we'd just end back where were we came from. What would be the point of that if that was the way of it. You'd die again and repeat the process forever.

I often wonder what one would do all day long in this after-life existence. Would we still have emotions and just be happy all the time. I don't know about you but that's sounds really effin boring. Will we be able to see each other and talk. What would we talk about ? How would we deal with people we used to know, say if it was someone who you couldn't stomach. Or if you knew your partner was in hell forever and you knew they'd never join you ever for the rest of eternity. Maybe heaven is like an old folks home and we just sit around playing chess or bridge cause we've nothing better to do.

Actually you know what - I don't I'm too keen on afterlife now that I think about it.

TerrorFirmer

colossus-x wrote: »

Surly life is a term to where where we are all now, with bugs trees etc. Is there existence after life ,in some other non-life-like form, is the question. No trees , no bugs. If there was life after life then we'd just end back where were we came from. What would be the point of that if that was the way of it. You'd die again and repeat the process forever.

I often wonder what one would do all day long in this after-life existence. Would we still have emotions and just be happy all the time. I don't know about you but that's sounds really effin boring. Will we be able to see each other and talk. What would we talk about ?How would we deal with people we used to know, say if it was someone who you couldn't stomach. Or if you knew your partner was in hell forever and you knew they'd never join you ever for the rest of eternity. Maybe heaven is like an old folks home and we just sit around playing chess or bridge cause we've nothing better to do.

Actually you know what; I don't I'm too keen on afterlife now that I think about it.

I live far more in hope of dying at a ripe old age, having achieved a long, happy and productive life, that when the answer to the great mystery comes to pass, I'll be tired and looking forward to the rest.

I don't think there's any point trying to apply logic and understanding as we know it to something like an afterlife, if it did exist. We couldn't comprehend it, no more than an ant understands how our world exists. Not saying I believe, but I don't spend too much time trying to quantify it in my head.

colossus-x

^^ Sure, I was just being silly with my musings of the afterlife. This is AH after all.

But I don't understand why in respect of religion, rather than just a general notion of an afterlife without a god, why we're not told more about what form it takes since the bible claims to tell us how we came about so why can't it equally say where we're going in more detail.

There is no detail imo and to say we're not told because we can't comprehend it is just an easy one sentence fob off.

ScumLord

The problem with the answers most people come up with for questions like "is there life after death" or even "what is the meaning of life" is that we tend to forget about the rest of life and come up with answers that only make sense to humans, it completely ignores every other form of life and treats that life like a backdrop to our existence.

If your answer to the meaning of life can' t be applied to bacteria then it's not the meaning of life. If your idea of life after death doesn't include bats and orange trees then it's not life after death. It's just a human conscious thats stuck in a moment.

TheLastMohican

The Backwards Man wrote: »

There was life for billions of years before we were here, and billions after, but we won't be here. Just the way it is, no point fretting about it

But not much has changed 'round Ballyjamesduff. The OP could have shortcutted to the Garden Of Eden ......... Paddy Reilly did!

whisky_galore

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Hopefully there isn't life after ISIS for ISIS members.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtS9ssgR9C4

ianobrien

Is there life after death? Of course there is for the bugs and maggots that feed on your rotting carcass in the hole. But for you, there's Nada.

dd972

ianobrien wrote: »

Is there life after death? Of course there is for the bugs and maggots that feed on your rotting carcass in the hole. But for you, there's Nada.

So you've died then?, what's it like?....

Dirty Dingus McGee

Very doubtful there is and frankly life is the greatest curse of all and you'd be far better off not having been born in the first place as what is the point when you exist and then it's just gone without any memories and therefore in effect you haven't actually existed in the first place making life completely without a point and completely without any worth.

Hagar7

nozzferrahhtoo wrote: »

So you got nothing to offer then except ad hominem tripe about what you want to pretend my comprehension abilities are, or are not. That I certainly do comprehend.

While that is certainly true, it does not really grant license to assign credence to whatever anyone makes up. Because while it is true some crazy sounding things turned out to be true.... it would appear to be rare.... and the vast majority of unsubstantiated crazy nonsense in the world has remained unsubstantiated with no reason to think it is true.

I do see anyone on this thread denying the _possibility_ that it could happen. There is just no reason AT ALL at this time to think it DOES happen. And while yes, our knowledge about the functions of consciousness is indeed far from complete.... we can still point out that 100% of that current knowledge points to consciousness being produced solely by the brain and 0% of that knowledge currently suggests any kind of possible disconnect between them.

So like you, I do not think many people here are "ruling it out". But not ruling it out does not mean we should not acknowledge that we have NO reason to think it is true, and quite a few reasons to expect it to be false.

As well it should be, because it is designed to rebut an argument that itself is intellectually bankrupt and lazy. When people espouse nonsense and back it up with nothing but "Well you can not prove it is false" then that is empty white noise. And a lazy presentation only deserves a lazy response. And so the Teapot response is quite apt on every level.

It tends to be a case of "Damned if you do and damned if you do not" I find. People, such as yourself, post these videos knowing that no one will actually bother to watch them. Then they get to claim everyone is just dismissing or ignoring their arguments and evidence.

But then when you DO engage with their videos, like I just did, you yourself get essentially dismissed because people like yourself.... for all your moaning no one engages and just dismisses..... do not actually know how to engage when engagement actually occurs.

So it comes down to a simple question. Do you post videos like that because you actually want to engage with the discussion.... or because you actually want to manufacture a situation where you can just accuse all and sundry or refusing to engage with you, or the evidence?

If you want to engage at any time however, honestly, then my post is there to be replied to. And I am open to anything else you want to paste and me and call "evidence".

Moan,:) you are having a laugh,you seem to be the only person on this thread who's moaning just because you thought that by now you would have chased other posters away with your sanctimonious claptrap.
I posted the videos to engage on a message board,this as you might well know is what they're for,dialogue.
It might be a good idea if you calmed down a wee bit,relax,take a pint of Guinness and think 'maybe others on here have a point.'
We do,is that so annoying?

captbarnacles

Hagar7 wrote: »

Moan,:) you are having a laugh,you seem to be the only person on this thread who's moaning just because you thought that by now you would have chased other posters away with your sanctimonious claptrap.
I posted the videos to engage on a message board,this as you might well know is what they're for,dialogue.
It might be a good idea if you calmed down a wee bit,relax,take a pint of Guinness and think 'maybe others on here have a point.'
We do,is that so annoying?

You have a point? where? must have missed it

Look at what is highlighted above. It's juvenile. Make your point if you have one but the personal attacks are pathetic and imo only to distract that you are losing this debate.

Baggy Trousers

lukesmom wrote: »

Nozzferrahhtoo - if I have learnt anything from this thread it's that you definitely need to get out more my friend.

I actually think you could learn a lot from Nozzferrahhtoo.

I find it interesting how people feel threatened by someone who is obviously extremely intelligent and knowledgeable and try to bully him off the thread (e.g. Hagar7 and "sanctimonious claptrap")