Threadneedle Road/Taylor's Hill/Kingston Road Junction

the_sonandmoon

The Kingston Road approaching the lights could be widened by reducing the (very wide) footpath on both sides of the road, particularly on the other side in front of the handball ally, and realigning the road/lanes.
The top of Threadneedle could have a right hand turn box at the top, especially if they narrowed that cycle lane, and could introduce a filter arrow at the same time as the one from the BOD road

galwaycyclist

snubbleste wrote: »

That cycle lane has already been mentioned. There should be another on t'other side of the road too.

Arguably no not really (according to one school of thought).

Leaving aside the issue of whether this cycle lane was a good idea at this time.

The thinking was that if cyclists are going downhill then a cycle lane probably isn't needed as much as everyone is travelling at more similar speeds. Going uphill is different since cyclists are much slower and need wobble space. The idea is like the climbing lanes found on some "N" routes.

I am not sure what is going on with the hard-shoulder markings that went in after since I don't think they were in the original plans. They seem to defeat the original concept.

galwaycyclist

galwaycyclist wrote: »

Arguably no not really (according to one school of thought).

Leaving aside the issue of whether this cycle lane was a good idea at this time.

The thinking was that if cyclists are going downhill then a cycle lane probably isn't needed as much as everyone is travelling at more similar speeds. Going uphill is different since cyclists are much slower and need wobble space. The idea is like the climbing lanes found on some "N" routes.

I am not sure what is going on with the hard-shoulder markings that went in after since I don't think they were in the original plans. They seem to defeat the original concept.

Just to make sure people understand this point. A cyclist travelling downhill at speed may need more space rather than less - as in they may need to use the whole lane.

gordongekko

snubbleste wrote: »

No mention of pedestrians in that missive. Clearly a mistake.

why would they answer a question that wasnt asked?

JillyQ

youngrun wrote: »

Garda enforcement needed surely at these lights and other junctions eg QCB at topaz/newcastle end where many cars break lights and break pedestrian greens, and the Westside roundabout where it can be a game of chicken to see who can get through it before oncoming cars ...
Simple things such as on the spot fines/points and presence alone is needed to deter bad driving and rule breaking which impacts or endangers in some cases

saw a couple of twats do it this morning. Also saw people coming from Rahoon turn left onto taylors hill the stop and let there kids off for the two schools on threadneedle road.

beardybrewer

Went through there today, they finally have the signage right now with the no right turn signs. Nobody in front of me tried to turn so I made it straight through despite the apparent sequencing issue.

buzz11

Light sequence appears to have changed, its much faster but I think there is a problem with the threadneedle rd side, it seems to skip this side a lot.

spurscormac

buzz11 wrote: »

Light sequence appears to have changed, its much faster but I think there is a problem with the threadneedle rd side, it seems to skip this side a lot.

There's a bit of an issue with the order of the lights now that causes a slow down in traffic pulled up on threadneedle waiting for green.
After the Kingston/Taylors goes red, the first green is given to those coming from the Deane roundabout.
This makes it impossible for the traffic waiting on the hill (and a difficult hill start it is, even for experienced drivers) to anticipate the green light, as you can't possibly know when the traffic coming against you is gone amber & then red.

To sequence it in the opposite way, those on threadneedle getting green first, followed by those coming from Deane, would speed up the reponse times to the green of cars coming from Blackrock and probably get one or two more cars through at peak times.

Of course, the best solution to slow response times at lights, would be to introduce the same lights sequence as in the UK, an amber before the green to alert people to the fact it's about to change.
But when has logic ever been a factor in this country.

Better be careful or FHE will be nabbing my idea for her Roads GE Campaign.

ir555

10 minutes to get from Salerno School past the lights this morning. On 2 occasions the green light for Threadneedle traffic barely allowed 2-3 cars past - max 20 seconds green..

Are these lights working on a fixed sequence or dare I even suggest that would be working off some sort of sensors watching the traffic.

D

maudgonner

spurscormac wrote: »

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Of course, the best solution to slow response times at lights, would be to introduce the same lights sequence as in the UK, an amber before the green to alert people to the fact it's about to change.
But when has logic ever been a factor in this country.

Better be careful or FHE will be nabbing my idea for her Roads GE Campaign.

Amber before green would be a terrible idea in Ireland. It works in the UK because people actually obey the traffic lights. Here you would get people jumping the light as soon as they saw amber, crashing into all the people coming the other way who are running the red light. Bang, crash, wallop!

ir555

ir555 wrote: »

10 minutes to get from Salerno School past the lights this morning. On 2 occasions the green light for Threadneedle traffic barely allowed 2-3 cars past - max 20 seconds green..

Are these lights working on a fixed sequence or dare I even suggest that would be working off some sort of sensors watching the traffic.

D

Is getting the kids to cycle or walk not an option?

Save you time and money and good for them too

spurscormac

maudgonner wrote: »

Amber before green would be a terrible idea in Ireland. It works in the UK because people actually obey the traffic lights. Here you would get people jumping the light as soon as they saw amber, crashing into all the people coming the other way who are running the red light. Bang, crash, wallop!

Couldn't disagree more.
Part of the problem of people breaking red lights is due to the slow responsetimes of others in front of them limiting the numbers getting through an individual sequence.
If people got warning to get into gear and ready to proceed on green, there'd be less frustration and thos racing through the red at the end of the sequence.

beardybrewer

I really don't think amber before green would solve a thing. Who needs a warning to go from stop to go? If the person in front of you is daydreaming when the light goes green I suggest pressing the button conveniently built in to your steering wheel.

JillyQ

beardybrewer wrote: »

I really don't think amber before green would solve a thing. Who needs a warning to go from stop to go? If the person in front of you is daydreaming when the light goes green I suggest pressing the button conveniently built in to your steering wheel.

As one who has been stuck on Threadneedle road behind a few daydreamers i have found the button built in to the steering wheel most effective :)

45mhrc7evo1d3n

beardybrewer wrote: »

I really don't think amber before green would solve a thing. Who needs a warning to go from stop to go? If the person in front of you is daydreaming when the light goes green I suggest pressing the button conveniently built in to your steering wheel.

The button is great for venting frustration but by the time you use it (and I frequently do!) and the daydreamer wakes up, that's a few less cars through the lights. It always amazes me how slow people are to take off when lights go green so I think amber before green could help a lot.

Curious Geroge

Anyone know if the council are to stick with the changes? It seems that the traffic from Taylor's hill has eased up but there is now a build up of traffic on Threadneedle Road and BOD Road. Kingston road continues to have a long tailback at peek times as the new sequence and the no turn left but my pain-point is still the dropping off kids in traffic and on the road.

GDSGR8

It seems to be working reasonably well overall, the timing of the phases could be dialled in a bit better though.

ir555

Deleted User wrote: »

Is getting the kids to cycle or walk not an option?

Save you time and money and good for them too

Great idea if I even had kids!!! Well done...

D

ir555

ir555 wrote: »

Great idea if I even had kids!!! Well done...

D

*shrug* you're the one who mentioned Salerno, fair leap to make

See as you don't have kids can I suggest a number of options, I leave the final decision too you

- Cycle
- Walk
- Leave earlier
- Choose an alternate route
- Don't change anything

J.pilkington

[Deleted User] wrote: »

*shrug* you're the one who mentioned Salerno, fair leap to make

See as you don't have kids can I suggest a number of options, I leave the final decision too you

- Cycle
- Walk
- Leave earlier
- Choose an alternate route
- Don't change anything

Maybe add don't make assumptions to that list.

Why do the anti car brigade in the Galway forum always assume that every car journey (except their own) is a 2 mile meaningless jolly!

ir555

Deleted User wrote: »

*shrug* you're the one who mentioned Salerno, fair leap to make

See as you don't have kids can I suggest a number of options, I leave the final decision too you

- Cycle
- Walk
- Leave earlier
- Choose an alternate route
- Don't change anything

Keep your "Leaps" on topic maybe.... I am not asking for your wonderful solutions to life... We are discussing the changes made to the lights and the effects they are having and how they could be rectified.

D

GerardKeating

buzz11 wrote: »

The key thing thats missing at this junction are "no right turn" signs mounted on the traffic light poles, thereby directly facing a driver who is considering turning right.

they have them now, not sure if makes any difference, numpties still turn right.