Shootings in Paris - MOD NOTE UPDATED - READ OP

Sever Tomorrow

efb wrote: »

Political Correctness and integration didn't cause this. Extremism is caused by isolation and ghettoisation.

Can you elaborate on this? You believe they drive people to suicide bombings, shooting and hostage taking?

Your choice of terms there have me in disagreement already but I'm curious so I'll let you explain further.

FalconGirl

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Jusdging by recent trends its usually a radicalised national. God knows there are enough oppressed minorities living in Paris.

GTFO:mad:

Superhorse

100 plus hostages at the concert. Jesus that's not going to end well.

captbarnacles

As robertkk said really looks like mumbai attack tactics with scattered bombing, random shooting into crowded venues and tgen hostage taking.

I hope not but the mumbai fidayeen left few hostages alive.

P_1

35 dead at EODM according to French police. Hate to say it but I fear we may have lost a musical genius in Josh Homme this evening

Meglamonia

Blaming and finger pointing?? We know well who was responsible for this.

We all know, it's a foregone conclusion

Why can't we say it? If it was any other race there would be no problem

namloc1980

40 dead.

refusetolose

40 dead now?

Bongalongherb

A lot of childish comments here regarding a very serious incident taking place. Many folk dead already and the worry of those 60 or more hostages. Some folk here are just thick.

Jayop

I'm not an overly emotional person but this has really got to me.

Eugene Norman

silverharp wrote: »

can we blame the religion of peace yet?

That's a whooping.

BorneTobyWilde

40 now !
ffs!

SEPT 23 1989

The line is going to be crossed tonight

RobertKK

I know this is horrible, but there is something about a live news event which has uncertainty that activates some part of one's brain that makes watching the news very addictive.

nullzero

Gatling wrote: »

No its just a couple of terrorists on a killing spree

That is modern warfare. Asymmetrical.

Nesta99

Baldy Conscience wrote: »

Opressed?

Do me a favour. There is no-one "opressed" in Western Europe. What there are are people who wish to live outside of Western norms, well do you know what? Fúck them. Integrate, or go elsewhere where your ideas are welcome tbh, but don't try to impose medieval, religious nonsense on the rest of us, then get all uppity when normal people don't want to live like that.

Just like how the Irish integrated in Munich etc during the 80's German consturction boom speaking German?!. Like the Irish enclaves in North London and areas of other British cities. Opression and discrimination in England yes and for 100's of years. As native Engish speakers and christian beliefs we moved beyond enclaves for work and 'integrated' but not in social terms. Like there is integration in Northern Ireland! You are are offering the very point of view that puts communities off integration with the like it of lump it attitude. To integrate the natives need to be willing to allow it without generalised xenophobia!

leavingirl

Dick phelan wrote: »

Oh i agree the US and the UK should never have gone into Iraq and it's there stupidity that has made this situation worse, my own opinion is that the West should leave those countries alone don't invade them or take them into our countries.

I agree too. Tony blair and george bush should be tried in The Hague for war crimes.

America has invaded Syria. Thats why yiu have all the refugees.

Duzzer

Interment without trial for all suspected Islamists.

Custardpi

Reports stating that the shooters were all "non-masked". That suggests they have absolutely no thought of escape & expect to fight to the death. This is going to be a rough one.

road_high

nullzero wrote: »

It's some world we live in. We all know what's going on and who is responsible but we're too afraid to say it in case we offend the people who are doing the killing. Time to grow some balls before we allow these people to profit from of politically correct cowardice.

Absolutely spot on. Political correctness gone mad. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who and what is likely responsible (yet again).

Laois_Man

A shoot out currently underway at the concert hall where 6-8 hostage takers are hiding inside with more on the roof.

RobertKK

Six to eight hostage takers at the concert venue, more on the roof where they is a shootout with police.

Peist2007

Sever Tomorrow wrote: »

Can you elaborate on this? You believe they drive people to suicide bombings, shooting and hostage taking?

Your choice of terms there have me in disagreement already but I'm curious so I'll let you explain further.

I'll let him answer obviously but Paris is especially incendiary and always has. Walking to the Stade De France is an eye opener. San Denis. It's basically a shanty town either side of big barriers for the entire run to the stadium.

La Haine was made in 1998 (i think). French immigrants in Paris have always been ripe for evil extremism due to their social and economic isolation.

Harry Palmr

Footage from Stade De France now on TV.

Penny Tration

P_1 wrote: »

35 dead at EODM according to French police. Hate to say it but I fear we may have lost a musical genius in Josh Homme this evening

They have the band hostage??

RobertKK

Six to eight hostage takers at the concert venue, more on the roof where they is a shootout with police.

Harry Palmr

Footage from inside Stade De France now on TV, people milling about.

nullzero

Duzzer wrote: »

Interment without trial for all suspected Islamists.

That got us here in the first place.

Jayop

Duzzer wrote: »

Interment without trial for all suspected Islamists.

Yeah that's proven to be a successful policy.

Nesta99

Duzzer wrote: »

Interment without trial for all suspected Islamists.

with Gerry Adams leading the line....

chipsdave

Aine Ni Chonaill predicted this 15 years ago , yet She was brought on The Late Late Show and branded a Racist By Byrne and The Trendy set ( self perceived)

Jelle1880

https://www.reddit.com/live/vwwmdb26t78v

This has live updates from journalists and people in the city or in France, much faster than mainstream media.

Supposedly 60 dead now, some people in Bataclan at the concern have gotten out but are describing others dead or wounded...

Insane

Padster90s

Death toll climbing fast.

That_Guy

Think this guy is in the concert hall updating as to what happened/is going on.

https://twitter.com/cormacflynn

BorneTobyWilde

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FKt2XR3W-U

Eugene Norman

Nesta99 wrote: »

Just like how the Irish integrated in Munich etc during the 80's German consturction boom speaking German?!. Like the Irish enclaves in North London and areas of other British cities. Opression and discrimination in England yes and for 100's of years. As native Engish speakers and christian beliefs we moved beyond enclaves for work and 'integrated' but not in social terms. Like there is integration in Northern Ireland! You are are offering the very point of view that puts communities off integration with the like it of lump it attitude. To integrate the natives need to be willing to allow it without generalised xenophobia!

Are you saying the catholic populations in Northern Ireland were xenophobic and that's the problem?

Uncle Ben

Could we be witnessing the end of Schengen tonight? When this incident eventually ends I don't think Merkel or Hollande will be able to convince anyone of their actions to date.

Isaiah

Meglamonia wrote: »

Blaming and finger pointing?? We know well who was responsible for this.

We all know, it's a foregone conclusion

Why can't we say it? If it was any other race there would be no problem

I agree
How many people have to die before we drop this veil of PC pussy footing around and start actually dealing with the root issue?!

Custardpi

Meglamonia wrote: »

Blaming and finger pointing?? We know well who was responsible for this.

We all know, it's a foregone conclusion

Why can't we say it? If it was any other race there would be no problem

Nothing to do with race. The amount of melanin or whatever in one's skin does not inspire one to commit mass murder. Adherence to an uncompromisingly backward & violent ideology does however.

130Kph

Just getting a comment in before the thread is locked - as it will be.

These murderers are war criminal scum - murdering innocents, just like 9/11.

Dregs of society, war criminal scum- as we well know from our own dregs of society scum.

nullzero

road_high wrote: »

Absolutely spot on. Political correctness gone mad. It doesn't take a genius to figure out who and what is likely responsible (yet again).

Usually right wing morons use the phrase "political correctness gone mad", but over the last few years it really has gone mad. If you call extremists crazy you're told to check your privilege.

Harry Palmr

Allāhu Akbar yelled the gunmen at the Eagles of Death Metal concert according to eye-witnesses on French media

Stinicker

Until Saudi Arabia and Qatar are wiped from the map then this madness will never end. RIP those who lost their lives.

An incredible amount of planning went into this..

Superhorse

chipsdave wrote: »

Aine Ni Chonaill predicted this 15 years ago , yet She was brought on The Late Late Show and branded a Racist By Byrne and The Trendy set ( self perceived)

Joe Duffy was one of the main cheer leaders when Irish Muslims where heading over to fight Jihad 3 years ago. How's that looking now Joe?

JCX BXC

Very sad incident. Hopefully its the wakeup call that will get Europe to act. RIP to all those dead, may their families get justice.

Meglamonia

Can't believe they let all these migrants in the first place Europe will be a war zone in a few years

alchemist33

Meglamonia wrote: »

Blaming and finger pointing?? We know well who was responsible for this.

We all know, it's a foregone conclusion

Why can't we say it? If it was any other race there would be no problem

No we don't. The "race" you're alluding to isn't one big group of like-minded people. It could be ISIS, Al-Qaeda, some local mob independent of both, or some other faction we haven't heard of.

efb

Calling extremism crazy is one thing- blaming a whole race or religion is not right on any level

suicide_circus

The French Revolution sought to promote fraternity and liberty...freedom from oppression from man or god.

The struggle continues.

Vive le France.