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  • #62
    Ave Sodalis
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,555 ✭✭✭Ave Sodalis


    sonny.knowles wrote:
    I have no experience of prisons, I live a law abiding life, I don't know anyone who has been in prison, I have never visited a prison, hopefully I never will.


    So the only possible way to have any experiemce in prisons is by being a prisoner...

    Right, well I think that's my cue to leave the thread so!


  • #63
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    No, I didn't bring mince pies into the thread.

    I have no experience of prisons, I live a law abiding life, I don't know anyone who has been in prison, I have never visited a prison, hopefully I never will.

    I am far more likely to be a victim of crime at some point in my life rather than a perpetrator. (My car was broken into once, thankfully that has been my only experience of crime to date, more than 10 years ago).

    There is an underclass of criminals / repeat offenders that add nothing to society and only take from society. I have limited sympathy for these people.


    I know this is pointless, but lets go back to the prisons being not harsh or too harsh and bearing in mind your last post with fcuk all knowledge about prison , how do you measure what's "harsh" ?


  • #64
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I know this is pointless, but lets go back to the prisons being not harsh or too harsh and bearing in mind your last post with fcuk all knowledge about prison , how do you measure what's "harsh" ?

    I never claimed they were harsh, so I don't see the relevance of my measurement of what's harsh. Irish prisons certainly aren't.


  • #65
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    What questions are these billy?

    This one...
    Lucas Ugly Resort wrote: »
    I expect them to lose their freedom.

    Now what is it exactly that you expect?

    And this one, which you responded to without ever even answering...
    corner of hells wrote: »
    How do measure what's harsh ?

    For me the loss of freedom , separation from loved ones , having to be confined in a cell for hours on end is harsh.


  • #66
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    I never claimed they were harsh, so I don't see the relevance of my measurement of what's harsh. Irish prisons certainly aren't.

    This one, too. You still haven't answered what you measurement of 'harsh' is...


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  • #67
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Sonny.Knowles

    Twenty plus posts on a subject he has admitted to having absolutely no experience or knowledge of and incapable of engaging or answering questions on.

    AH comedy gold at its finest.


  • #68
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Still waiting for an explanation of how Irish prisons are 'harsh'.


  • #69
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Just more of the usual PC crap of mollycoddling the prisoners and blaming everyone but them for their predicament.


  • #70
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Still waiting for an explanation of how Irish prisons are 'harsh'.

    I am bringing my goldfish for a walk , am I at your level yet ?


  • #71
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Still waiting for an explanation of how Irish prisons are 'harsh'.
    well they're hardly a fcuking holiday camp!


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  • #72
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    I never claimed they were harsh, so I don't see the relevance of my measurement of what's harsh. Irish prisons certainly aren't.

    What, in your opinion, should the experience of prison be like? Please be specific.


  • #73
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    smash wrote: »
    well they're hardly a fcuking holiday camp!

    Jesus, what do you expect? They aren't being rewarded.


  • #74
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Jesus, what do you expect? They aren't being rewarded.

    Keep posting , keep posting .


  • #75
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    corner of hells wrote: »
    I am bringing my goldfish for a walk , am I at your level yet ?

    Be careful out there, some scumbag who should be in prison will probably stamp on it.


  • #76
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Kev W wrote: »
    What, in your opinion, should the experience of prison be like? Please be specific.

    Exactly as it is now.


  • #77
    VisibleGorilla
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Looks like an absolute hellhole to me.


  • #78
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Jesus, what do you expect? They aren't being rewarded.
    Oh right, you're one of those people that will argue with literally everything...


  • #79
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    smash wrote: »
    well they're hardly a fcuking holiday camp!

    its called mountjoy because the guy mounting you is having joy doing so!


  • #80
    corner of hells
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,436 ✭✭✭corner of hells


    Kev W wrote: »
    What, in your opinion, should the experience of prison be like? Please be specific.

    See post 60.


  • #81
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Exactly as it is now.

    So what's the problem?


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  • #82
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Kev W wrote: »
    So what's the problem?
    "I don't have a problem! What's your problem!!" - sonny.knowles ... probably


  • #83
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Kev W wrote: »
    So what's the problem?

    No idea, I didn't start the thread. Check with the PC do gooders, they seem to have a problem with it.


  • #84
    Billy86
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,495 ✭✭✭✭Billy86


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Still waiting for an explanation of how Irish prisons are 'harsh'.
    Nope, that was already explained by the poster who mentioned it - you even quoted the post where they did so. They also asked you a question in return in that same post, and you still have not answered it.
    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Just more of the usual PC crap of mollycoddling the prisoners and blaming everyone but them for their predicament.
    Again no, nobody has done that here that I can see but feel free to try making those exceptionally weak straw man arguments. What has been pointed out is Norway, where prisons cells look like this and an emphasis is put on reforming prisoners, has a recidivism rate of about 1/3rd that of the US, which has prisons that look like this and an emphasis is put on punishing prisoners.



    But it's becoming clear that if you're not trolling, you're just starved for attention and don't really have an opinion on the matter beyond disagreeing with other people's opinions, regardless of what they might be.


  • #85
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    smash wrote: »
    "I don't have a problem! What's your problem!!" - sonny.knowles ... probably

    Nice one, smash.


  • #86
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    Bam Bam Mickey wrote: »
    its called mountjoy because the guy mounting you is having joy doing so!

    If that's what they are into, let them at it I suppose.


  • #87
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    smash wrote: »
    Oh right, you're one of those people that will argue with literally everything...

    Yeah, your holiday camp post was so much better that the crap I have posted. Well done.


  • #88
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Yeah, your holiday camp post was so much better that the crap I have posted. Well done.
    Thanks dude


  • #89
    sonny.knowles
    Closed Accounts Posts: 607 ✭✭✭sonny.knowles


    smash wrote: »
    Thanks dude

    No problem, mate.


  • #90
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    If that's what they are into, let them at it I suppose.

    Do you feel sorry for them Sonny?


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  • #91
    Kev W
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,536 ✭✭✭Kev W


    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    No idea, I didn't start the thread. Check with the PC do gooders, they seem to have a problem with it.

    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Harsh? Tell that to the people sleeping rough.
    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    I hate this 'off you go' attitude that threads like this inevitably attract.

    Most people have the morals to not commit offences that result in prison time. Doesn't mean that can't have an opinion on how harsh or easy life in prison is. Or are prisoners / ex prisoners the only ones allowed comment?
    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    I didn't say they needed to suffer more (in case that is aimed at me). But I do have an issue with people claiming the current conditions are 'harsh'. They aren't by any stretch of the imagination. Use of emotive terms like 'cages' is not helpful.

    As for loss of freedom, they are in prison, what do you expect?
    sonny.knowles wrote: »
    Just more of the usual PC crap of mollycoddling the prisoners and blaming everyone but them for their predicament.

    So if I understand you correctly:

    a) you don't think Irish prison is harsh enough and that prisoners are mollycoddled
    b) you also think it should be exactly as it is
    c) but you consider the OP, who thinks it's not harsh enough, to have a problem with it that you don't share?


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