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Billy86

sonny.knowles wrote: »

1 person who hasn't posted since. and *may* not have been telling the truth. :rolleyes:

Nice use of 'literally' though.

Are you telling me that TurdyTurd and Corner of Hells, two separate posters, are the same person?

And yes, it is. When you want to try and claim nobody in the thread has any knowledge of the prison system, having worked in it is about as close as one can get without being locked up. Hence, they literally worked there. I shouldn't have to spell out what that means for you, but let's face it, having read through this thread... you're just not very good at taking in information. Or giving out information, for that matter! :pac:

sonny.knowles

Billy86 wrote: »

Are you telling me that TurdyTurd and Corner of Hells, two separate posters, are the same person?

And yes, it is. When you want to try and claim nobody in the thread has any knowledge of the prison system, having worked in it is about as close as one can get without being locked up. Hence, they literally worked there. I shouldn't have to spell out what that means for you, but let's face it, having read through this thread... you're just not very good at taking in information. Or giving out information, for that matter! :pac:

Billy, you need to take everything you read on the interweb with a pinch of salt. You believe that TurdyTurd works in the Irish Prison Service. You are naïve. Same goes for corner of hell.

I also suggest you look up the meaning of literally.

sonny.knowles

Billy, you have contributed nothing to this thread. Time for you to 'jog on' now, I'd say.

smash

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Billy, you have contributed nothing to this thread. Time for you to 'jog on' now, I'd say.

Good advice from someone who's been a fountain of knowledge so far.

Boom_Bap

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Billy86 and sonny.knowles

I would suggest that you both get back on topic. If you have nothing constrcutive to add to the discusion, then please don't post anything.

Billy86

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Billy, you need to take everything you read on the interweb with a pinch of salt. You believe that TurdyTurd works in the Irish Prison Service. You are naïve. Same goes for corner of hell.

I also suggest you look up the meaning of literally.

Here's the definition of literal for you:
lit·er·al
ˈlidərəl,ˈlitrəl/
adjective
1. in accordance with, involving, or being the primary or strict meaning of the word or words; not figurative or metaphorical:
the literal meaning of a word.
2. following the words of the original very closely and exactly:
a literal translation of Goethe.
3. true to fact; not exaggerated; actual or factual:
a literal description of conditions.
4. being actually such, without exaggeration or inaccuracy:
the literal extermination of a city.
5. (of persons) tending to construe words in the strict sense or in an unimaginative way; matter-of-fact; prosaic.
6. of or relating to the letters of the alphabet.
7. of the nature of letters.

And here's a link to reward yourself with when you're done.






So back on topic... in Norway with their 'reform' model vs the USA with their 'punish' model for prisons is way, way lower (as in 1/3rd the rate).

Jim Bob Scratcher

Did anyone see last weeks episode ? I missed it

sonny.knowles

Watching it now. Regime seems fine, prisoners treated by staff with respect, threat of violence comes from other prisoners, probably Best to keep them locked up for the 16 hours for their own safety.

Jim Bob Scratcher

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Watching it now. Regime seems fine, prisoners treated by staff with respect, threat of violence comes from other prisoners, probably Best to keep them locked up for the 16 hours for their own safety.

The governor seems like a top bloke.

sonny.knowles

Hope they find that other missing snooker ball before it is put to some nefarious use.

sonny.knowles

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

The governor seems like a top bloke.

Yeah, tough job for the staff.

somesoldiers

Can barely understand that James lad....knurwhatImeen

somesoldiers

The soccer match will be like the one in Porridge where Fletcher and Godber escape on the bus

MuchoLoco

They all should be brought to a giant quarry to break rocks 16 hours a day

Jim Bob Scratcher

Paulie ?? Does he think he is Italian or wha ?

somesoldiers

Jim Bob Scratcher wrote: »

Paulie ?? Does he think he is Italian or wha ?

Paulie Walnuts

ahclassbai

Looks like a ****ing **** hole , locked up 16 hours a day with a concentrated amount of scobie skangers trying to get somethin off ya and **** you over all the time , drugs everywhere , constantly wide for someone who could slap the head off ya or slash your face open with a blade for something like small like the area your from or a bit of tobbaco . Hardly any one with respect for you or themselves, people smoking gear and shooting up in your cell every night. If your in any way weak or not street wise your completely ****ed and are almost defanitly going to be bullied and taken advantage of. Very much on your own ,and have a good chance of coming out addicted to something. You would be sick and tired of it very quickly .

PandaPoo

I thought they'd be in uniforms. Is there a reason they aren't? I just assumed all prisons had uniforms

Jim Bob Scratcher

I'd nearly swear that young dark haired prison guard was in Love/Hate. He looks like the guy who was driving the security van in the tiger kidnapping episode.

The Sidewards Man

You should join the guardas jim, top analysis there.

Richard Hillman

One of the prisoners proposed that instead of spending 70k a year for imprisoning them, they should just give the prisoner 20k in cash and say sort you life out :pac:

Canadel

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One of the prisoners proposed that instead of spending 70k a year for imprisoning them, they should just give the prisoner 20k in cash and say sort you life out :pac:

Far from the worst idea I've ever heard in relation to prisoner rehabilitation. And comfortably one of the more interesting points raised in this thread.

twowheelsonly

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One of the prisoners proposed that instead of spending 70k a year for imprisoning them, they should just give the prisoner 20k in cash and say sort you life out :pac:

I don't think that's what he said, or meant.
I took it that he meant for 20k (random example figure from him) to be spent on helping individuals sort out their lives through courses/education or whatever rather than just handing them 20k cash.
There's probably some merit in his suggestion in some cases but to be fair a lot of money has already been spent on some of these fellas long long before they ever see the inside of a prison cell.

ahclassbai

Richard Hillman wrote: »

One of the prisoners proposed that instead of spending 70k a year for imprisoning them, they should just give the prisoner 20k in cash and say sort you life out :pac:

yeah he meant spent on the prisoners to help them

BattleCorp

There should be a graduated type of prison.

First offence, cushy prison, every effort at rehabilitation.
Second offence, cushy prison, less priveleges, still lots of rehabilitation.
Third offence, go to tougher prison, rehabilitation isn't working, you are heading down the punishment route.
Fourth offence. Time to get serious, tough prison with no niceties.
Fifth offence. You are going in the hole, boy. Throw away the key.

Obviously it doesn't work for murder but it's how I would treat burglars.

Someone with 20+ convictions isn't likely to be rehabilitated. If they can't behave, lock them up away from the rest of civilised society.

FalconGirl

Just watched the first 2 episodes. It frightens me that the nutjob who sliced the guards and uses anything he can find as a weapon will likely be roaming the streets in a few years:eek:

crybaby

BattleCorp wrote: »

There should be a graduated type of prison.

First offence, cushy prison, every effort at rehabilitation.
Second offence, cushy prison, less priveleges, still lots of rehabilitation.
Third offence, go to tougher prison, rehabilitation isn't working, you are heading down the punishment route.
Fourth offence. Time to get serious, tough prison with no niceties.
Fifth offence. You are going in the hole, boy. Throw away the key.

Obviously it doesn't work for murder but it's how I would treat burglars.

Someone with 20+ convictions isn't likely to be rehabilitated. If they can't behave, lock them up away from the rest of civilised society.

This sounds like an interesting solution to me. I mean really we have highly paid individuals in charge of the system and they can't come up with any new ways of dealing with criminals?

VisibleGorilla

FalconGirl wrote: »

Just watched the first 2 episodes. It frightens me that the nutjob who sliced the guards and uses anything he can find as a weapon will likely be roaming the streets in a few years:eek:

Close to 95% of all prisoners will eventually be released, all of these lunatics will be back out again worse than when they went in.

This is the situation with the Irish prison service, and the entire justice system at the moment - Warehousing.

twowheelsonly

BattleCorp wrote: »

There should be a graduated type of prison.

First offence, cushy prison, every effort at rehabilitation.
Second offence, cushy prison, less priveleges, still lots of rehabilitation.
Third offence, go to tougher prison, rehabilitation isn't working, you are heading down the punishment route.
Fourth offence. Time to get serious, tough prison with no niceties.
Fifth offence. You are going in the hole, boy. Throw away the key.

Obviously it doesn't work for murder but it's how I would treat burglars.

Someone with 20+ convictions isn't likely to be rehabilitated. If they can't behave, lock them up away from the rest of civilised society.

I'd reduce that to three steps. Never happen though as long as we have former Welfare Officers as number 1 and 2 in the Prison service and a Minister for Justice that was a former Welfare Officer as well.
The other thing I'd do is refuse Free Legal Aid after a certain number of convictions. That'll never happen either though - too many people want to ride that gravy train.

tayto lover

Only the dangerous people should be in jail anyway.
Paedos, rapists, murderers and people who commit serious assaults.

The non-dangerous should be put on Community Service like cutting greens, painting walls, clearing graffiti off walls, cutting roadside hedges etc while properly supervised. The council are lacking in manpower it seems as nobody is sweeping my street, so this kind of work would suit the prisoners. A few hours a day of that and then a course to maybe get them employment when their Community Service is finished.

Yakkyda

sonny.knowles wrote: »

So getting back to the question of whether Irish prisons are harsh. In what way are they harsh? And relative to what?

Relative to not being in prison I would think. Locked up for 16 hours a day, having to eat your meals when your told, not when you want. Constant threat that violence can and most likely will erupt on your landing, daily. The drugs.the gangs.

Most everyone here would agree that a prison officer has a tough job, in a harsh environment. Imagine how it is on the other side of the bars. Having a telly and a plays tat ion in your cell does not make it a nice environment, it's more a distraction for inmates.