Connacht Rugby Thread - Part III - The Violence of the Lams

CMOTDibbler

Zzippy wrote: »

Ah jaysus. He posted 2 words, "Feeling pissed". You'd swear he had gone off on a rant and posted a load of tweets the way some people are going on. I'd say it wouldn't even register on Joe's radar. Some people just like to stir the pot I guess, if two words is all it takes they have little to be doing...

It really depends. Is he allowed to feel pissed in the week before a big European game?

irishbucsfan

CMOTDibbler wrote: »

It really depends. Is he allowed to feel pissed in the week before a big European game?

As far as I'm aware feelings are only banned 72 hours before games

connachta

The main advantage of Jackman, whatever Dubliners think of him, is FCG is going to be relegated, which means that he would bring 2 or 3 IQ players just where we need : sub LH (Coulson), centre (Farrell), and maybe a lock (if there's a relegation clause in his contract, someone named Aly!)

ClanofLams

Kidney hasn't a notion of getting back into rugby I would think and would make zero sense in terms of continuity, very different gameplans.

I doubt ROG will want a job back in Ireland unless it's with Munster but more likely than kidney.

ClanofLams

connachta wrote: »

The main advantage of Jackman, whatever Dubliners think of him, is FCG is going to be relegated, which means that he would bring 2 or 3 IQ players just where we need : sub LH (Coulson), centre (Farrell), and maybe a lock (if there's a relegation clause in his contract, someone named Aly!)

Farrell is off to Munster. To be honest Jackmans record isn't good so I would hope it's not him.

CatFromHue

Yeah Jackman would be a questionable signing.

I didn't know Lam had a year to run on his contract so him leaving is very strange. Completely out of the blue too, there was no speculation about the move beforehand.

I wonder if Eddie O'Sullivan would even bother applying for the role this time.

connachta

ClanofLams wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

The main advantage of Jackman, whatever Dubliners think of him, is FCG is going to be relegated, which means that he would bring 2 or 3 IQ players just where we need : sub LH (Coulson), centre (Farrell), and maybe a lock (if there's a relegation clause in his contract, someone named Aly!)

To be honest Jackmans record isn't good so I would hope it's not him.

Grenoble coaches do not so bad with the players they have, and play Connacht style. Continuity it would be.
But I'd prefer someone who muscles our forwards game (support mainly)

connachta

Prendergast from Grenoble to Connacht skills coach to assist McPhillips would be nice though

irishbucsfan

I'm going to go ahead and suggest Eddie O'Sullivan on account of the ease of his commute, as is tradition

Zzippy

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm going to go ahead and suggest Eddie O'Sullivan on account of the ease of his commute, as is tradition

Get out.

b.gud

connachta wrote: »

Nobody in here is talking about Kidney or ROG. Controversial, but have to drop the names

Yeah those guys are good and so are all the other names that have been mentioned today but I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the person who is obviously best for the job.

A man who has lived and breathed Connacht for years.
A man who can see the potential in the younger guys in our squad.
A man who is continually able to reinvent himself

Ladies and gentlemen of boards I give you the next manager of Connacht

connachta

b.gud wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Nobody in here is talking about Kidney or ROG. Controversial, but have to drop the names

Yeah those guys are good and so are all the other names that have been mentioned today but I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the person who is obviously best for the job.

A man who has lived and breathed Connacht for years.
A man who can see the potential in the younger guys in our squad.
A man who is continually able to reinvent himself

Ladies and gentlemen of boards I give you the next manager of Connacht

Ready for a new march to avoid Connacht to be disbanded in 2 years?

MarinersBlues

irishbucsfan wrote: »

I'm going to go ahead and suggest Eddie O'Sullivan on account of the ease of his commute, as is tradition

Kimmage will be happy.
He was just on the last word saying the lack of talk about O'Sullivan was insulting.

I wouldn't be happy with ROG. We can't have someone in the top job who has a clear long term ambition that lies elsewhere.
That's fine for kicking or skills but not the top job.

Stheno

b.gud wrote: »

Yeah those guys are good and so are all the other names that have been mentioned today but I'm surprised that nobody has mentioned the person who is obviously best for the job.

A man who has lived and breathed Connacht for years.
A man who can see the potential in the younger guys in our squad.
A man who is continually able to reinvent himself

Ladies and gentlemen of boards I give you the next manager of Connacht

I reckon that's a permaban for you:pac:

connachta

More seriously but still funny, one coach fired by Bristol despite promotion was interested (but turned down) in Connacht job when Lam was chosen : it's Sean Holley, would you think he'd apply for it again?

MarinersBlues

http://www.rte.ie/sport/rugby/2016/1205/836716-pat-lam-conor-mcguinness-connacht/

Cool Calm Collected CONNACHT!

connachta

connachta wrote: »

More seriously but still funny, one coach fired by Bristol despite promotion was interested (but turned down) in Connacht job when Lam was chosen : it's Sean Holley, would you think he'd apply for it again?

Another 2013 member of the shortlist, is unavailable, Alex King left Northampton but signed in montpellier for 3 years

Zzippy

connachta wrote: »

Another 2013 member of the shortlist, is unavailable, Alex King left Northampton but signed in montpellier for 3 years

Is there any chance you could post your trawl of out-of-a-job coaches in a single post rather than spamming the forum with one insignificant name after another?

aled

Treadhead wrote: »

This.

It's a bit hard to be asking players to commit themselves and #bleedgreen when the coach jumps shop early for a paycheque. Of course he's got a family to consider and I'm very sure it was an extremely difficult decision, but I can't help but feel very bitter about it all.

If it was at the end of his contract we'd slap him on the back, have a hooley and wish him well. Leaving early like this just undermines a lot of what he's appeared to stand for over the last few years.

I just hope the squad can help their heads in the game over the coming weekends. There'll be few better tests of Pat's process...

The players are all professionals. They fight a cause week in and week out. Fans bleed green. Players/managers play because its a game they love and it is their careers on the line. It is their job. I cannot see any reason why Connacht will be less focused on the Wasps game next weekend. Bundees reaction I suspect is based on signing a new contract in the belief that the person who employed him would continue to manage him. That is a bit naive on his behalf.

To go back to an earlier post of mine about possible bleeding of players with Pat leaving, I hope this doesn't happen. If Pat does bring players with him it would really diminish his legacy. I suspect he will be concious of this.

wp_rathead

Zzippy wrote: »

Is there any chance you could post your trawl of out-of-a-job coaches in a single post rather than spamming the forum with one insignificant name after another?

ride me sideways was another one

nootroc

George Hook might be tempted

errlloyd

Ruan Pieenar appointed player coach as the final insult to Awec's miserable 2016.

Legalfarmer89

Rob Penney anybody? Would in theory be a continuation of the Pat Lam style of Rugby that Connacht play!

Yeah_Right

What about Colin Cooper? Or the Irish guy coaching at the Hurricanes? Can't remember his name.

connachta

Zzippy wrote: »

connachta wrote: »

Another 2013 member of the shortlist, is unavailable, Alex King left Northampton but signed in montpellier for 3 years

Is there any chance you could post your trawl of out-of-a-job coaches in a single post rather than spamming the forum with one insignificant name after another?

FFS it was just about Lam's competitors in 2013! You're harsh on me Zippy these times, is it because I protested again the disrespectful title from Leinster guys ?

wp_rathead

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

Rob Penney anybody? Would in theory be a continuation of the Pat Lam style of Rugby that Connacht play!

been mentioned, I'd be all for it personally

aled

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

Rob Penney anybody? Would in theory be a continuation of the Pat Lam style of Rugby that Connacht play!

I dont believe that we need a continuation. Jackman/Penney would be a disaster at connacht. What Pat has built would be destroyed by them. What we need is instead is a new tack. Lancaster would be perfect. A more defensive approach. Aly was a once in a lifetime.

Edit: they are lesser coaches who teach the same principles

gordongekko

MarinersBlues wrote: »

I wouldn't be happy with ROG. We can't have someone in the top job who has a clear long term ambition that lies elsewhere.

Most coaches have long term ambitions outside of their current role.

FACECUTTR

wp_rathead wrote: »

been mentioned, I'd be all for it personally

+1.

connachta

aled wrote: »

Legalfarmer89 wrote: »

Rob Penney anybody? Would in theory be a continuation of the Pat Lam style of Rugby that Connacht play!

I dont believe that we need a continuation. Jackman/Penney would be a disaster at connacht. What Pat has built would be destroyed by them. What we need is instead is a new tack. Lancaster would be perfect. A more defensive approach. Aly was a once in a lifetime.

Edit: they are lesser coaches who teach the same principles

Perfectly agree, but there's many names outside an England ex-coach

Zzippy

connachta wrote: »

FFS it was just about Lam's competitors in 2013! You're harsh on me Zippy these times, is it because I protested again the disrespectful title from Leinster guys ?

No, but it makes the forum a lot easier to read if you don't post so many short posts, other conversations are going on and it's hard to know what you're replying to, when you're replying to anyone else and not yourself, etc. The multi-quote function is there for a reason. Constant posts on the same topic from one poster makes the forum painful to read.

connachta wrote: »

is it because I protested again the disrespectful title from Leinster guys ?

What?

awec

errlloyd wrote: »

Ruan Pieenar appointed player coach as the final insult to Awec's miserable 2016.

If this happened the IRFU would end as we know it.

Zzippy

awec wrote: »

If this happened the IRFU would end as we know it.

Oh, you'd get over it... stop being so dramatic!

case885

aled wrote:

Edit: they are lesser coaches who teach the same principles

How is Penney a lesser coach? He won 4 Itm cups in a row, the equivalent of the pro 12 in New Zealand. He had much the same philosophy as Lam and got us to 2 consecutive Heineken cup semis.
I think he'd be a great fit for Connacht if Carolan isn't seen as the replacement.

scriba

Sorry to see Lam leave these shores, but he's earned his payday and the right to choose wherever he likes.

former total

aled wrote: »

To go back to an earlier post of mine about possible bleeding of players with Pat leaving, I hope this doesn't happen. If Pat does bring players with him it would really diminish his legacy. I suspect he will be concious of this.

No, once he's gone, he's gone. If taking Connacht players improves his chances at Bristol then absolutely he'll do it. I don't see it happening too much though.

connachta

Ok Zippy, here are my 10 names at once inside a table with order of preference

Mark McCall[/td]
Saracencs Irish head coach, out of contract after a renewal in 2014[/td]
[/tr]
Nigel Carolan[/td]
Ireland U20 coach, ex Connacht Academy having raised Henshaw, Bealham, Marmion etc..[/td]
[/tr]
Sean Holley[/td]
Approached in 2013, ex Ospreys and Bristol successful coach[/td]
[/tr]
Jack White[/td]
Released by Montpellier this spring[/td]
[/tr]
Mike Ruddock[/td]
Ex Wales and Ireland U20 coach[/td]
[/tr]
Jason Holland[/td]
Hurricanes assistant coach, Irish head coach of the New Zealand Schools side[/td]
[/tr]
Rob Penney[/td]
Ex Munster, Canterbury coach[/td]
[/tr]
Bernard Jackman[/td]
Nearly relegated Grenoble coach, Connacht style[/td]
[/tr]
Andy Farrell[/td]
Defence coach for the 2013 Lions tour to Australia, contracted with IRFU until RWC.[/td]
[/tr]
Jeremy Davidson[/td]
Aurillac coach, great balence of play, but contracted until 2022 in theory[/td]
[/tr]

Table didn't resit to edit

CMOTDibbler

irishbucsfan wrote: »

As far as I'm aware feelings are only banned 72 hours before games

I fear I was too subtle.

oneofakind32

Is it fair to say Connacht will be closest to full strength this weekend than they have been all season? Barring Heally and Ronaldson who may be doubtful, we'll have a first choice 15.

wp_rathead

oneofakind32 wrote: »

Is it fair to say Connacht will be closest to full strength this weekend than they have been all season? Barring Heally and Ronaldson who may be doubtful, we'll have a first choice 15.

Masterson would be in starting XV
Could argue Andrew Browne aswell

CatFromHue

Mark McCall: he's not going to move from Sarries anytime soon
Nigel Carolan: does he have any Senior head coaching experience
Sean Holley: Dunno him
Jack White: if you get him he'll be gone after a year
Mike Ruddock: is he still coaching?
Jason Holland: can't see him wanting to move from the 'Canes
Rob Penney: would be a good appointment
Bernard Jackman: not quite my tempo
Andy Farrell: not sure how much club coaching experience he has
Jeremy Davidson: dunno how he's getting on

thomond2006

No betting available on PP anymore.

FACECUTTR

thomond2006 wrote: »

No betting available on PP anymore.

That's very odd.

thomond2006

FACECUTTR wrote: »

That's very odd.

Could we have an announcement very soon I wonder.

CatFromHue

thomond2006 wrote: »

Could we have an announcement very soon I wonder.

Willie Ruane on Off The Ball said he only found out about it on Friday so it would be amazing for them to have found someone so soon.

Unless it's Eddie O'Sullivan, he only lives down the road after all.

Zzippy

CatFromHue wrote: »

Willie Ruane on Off The Ball said he only found out about it on Friday so it would be amazing for them to have found someone so soon.

Unless it's Eddie O'Sullivan, he only lives down the road after all.

Get out!

Stheno

Zzippy wrote: »

Get out!

Can you not come up with something better?

aled

case885 wrote: »

How is Penney a lesser coach? He won 4 Itm cups in a row, the equivalent of the pro 12 in New Zealand. He had much the same philosophy as Lam and got us to 2 consecutive Heineken cup semis.
I think he'd be a great fit for Connacht if Carolan isn't seen as the replacement.

I don't want to see the SAME at Connacht. pat has done his thing. its a time to move on. the same is the same. very happy what pat did. next please

MarinersBlues

thomond2006 wrote: »

No betting available on PP anymore.

The traders are gone home.
They won't leave a mickey mouse thing like that for the overnight lads to look after.

I wouldn't be reading too much into what's they have up anyway.

mansize

Eddie O'Sullivan trending on twitter...