Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

brookville

Brennan was a sub for one match last year and and played u21 last year while murphy was sub goalie so the general feeling was he'd be back up.

pat 22

Does anyone have a link for the game today?
In the uk

dastardly00

Half time, 8 point lead. KK are in cruise control at the moment. Galway don't seem to be up for it.

Padraig Walsh playing well, along with Joyce. Lester putting in a lot of effort.

Both TJ and Canning have missed relatively easy frees, despite there being no wind whatsoever.

Jackie is still trying to dust off the cobwebs, he is quite rusty.

me89

2nd half was a real struggle, we had so many goal chances but managed to mess them all up.
Conor Fogarty and Padraig Walsh were class.

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Most of the fowards at this level interchange throughout games and we're the same. Water was at 14 when he made tjs goal in the all Ireland but I agree I'm surprised he hasn't be giving more game time at full foward usually operates at 10

I think BC uses him as a puck out target in games at half forward. Not to say that he drops into full forward at times through games but as somebody stated, players move about so much these days, it's hard to judge where they spend most of their time at during games.

dastardly00

me89 wrote: »

2nd half was a real struggle, we had so many goal chances but managed to mess them all up.
Conor Fogarty and Padraig Walsh were class.

Yeah the match should have been sewn up early enough in the 2nd half. I still don't know what the heck Colin Fennelly was thinking when he absolutely butchered that goal chance. He was so close to goal that he could have kicked it if he wanted to. Walter should have scored a goal also with his chance.

Galway kept chipping away at the scoreline. Canning got a few nice scores, and then the goal came from their corner back. They had the momentum but KK closed out the game well.

I thought Holden and Prendergast were solid. Jackie was very, very rusty. All of the half-back line were excellent, apart from a few dodgy passes. Fogarty and Lester Ryan were running all day, massive effort on verybsoft ground.

TJ was excellent again, a level above everyone else. I thought Walter did well, two decent games in a row in my opinion. Richie Hogan was very quite for the majority of the match. Kevin Kelly wasn't great. He lacked the physicality and intensity that probably has kept him off the starting team so far. James Maher put in a solid display and got two points I think. Colin Fennelly got in a lot of hooks, blocks and tackles so you can't argue about his effort. He just really butchered a clear goal chance, and he missed another easy point when he struck the ball weakly and it landed in the goalkeeper's hands.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Yeah the match should have been sewn up early enough in the 2nd half. I still don't know what the heck Colin Fennelly was thinking when he absolutely butchered that goal chance. He was so close to goal that he could have kicked it if he wanted to. Walter should have scored a goal also with his chance.

Galway kept chipping away at the scoreline. Canning got a few nice scores, and then the goal came from their corner back. They had the momentum but KK closed out the game well.

I thought Holden and Prendergast were solid. Jackie was very, very rusty. All of the half-back line were excellent, apart from a few dodgy passes. Fogarty and Lester Ryan were running all day, massive effort on verybsoft ground.

TJ was excellent again, a level above everyone else. I thought Walter did well, two decent games in a row in my opinion. Richie Hogan was very quite for the majority of the match. Kevin Kelly wasn't great. He lacked the physicality and intensity that probably has kept him off the starting team so far. James Maher put in a solid display and got two points I think. Colin Fennelly got in a lot of hooks, blocks and tackles so you can't argue about his effort. He just really butchered a clear goal chance, and he missed another easy point when he struck the ball weakly and it landed in the goalkeeper's hands.

Got insight there. Thanks for that.

Aye, if we got the first goal, Galway wouldn't have come back but that 2nd half performance will do no harm in terms of complacency for the next few games. Sometimes when you dominant a game so much, the other team comes back into it and you could get pipped.

All in all, 2 wins out of three after Waterford defeat so it's not too bad in comparison with last seasons league. Hopefully we'll get to quarter finals now and the extra games will do no harm.

It's good to bear in mind that we started later than the other teams so, where we are currently, is positive enough in my opinion.

A few players getting a run out - James Maher and Kevin Kelly as well as Donnacadh Cody and Robert Lennon. Todays run out will have done JT no harm either. As things progress, BC may give a few other a run out.

Hopefully T.J. and Richie stay injury free.

T.J. is on another planet!!

citykat

Good posts above. Thought Wally was quieter than last week. McInerney is nearly as big as him in fairness. Jackie got on a lot of ball but his passing was crazy at times. Pender and Joey played well with the latter doing a JJ on it in the first half. Padraig Walsh was motm for me. Gets in a huge amount of work. Joyce and Buckley were solid. Fogarty was close second for motm. Lester seemed to get bottled up at times. Kelly and Richie were quiet with the latter dropping his shots short in the second half. Fennelly was his usual bustling self. His shooting seems to be disimproving. He gave one great pass yo Richie who missed from 6 yards. Maher while not as good as last week got two points having missed a couple earlier. As for TJ, he just continues to thrill. He's the new leader in this team.

KKCATDownUnder

is the match available anywhere to watch ?

KKCATDownUnder

What exactly happened with Joe Canning and C Fogarty ?

citykat

KKCATDownUnder wrote: »

What exactly happened with Joe Canning and C Fogarty ?

Canning was running toward the sideline with the ball and a Kilkenny player (don't want to mention a name as i'm not sure it was him) caught him on the hand. Should've been a free. Ref didn't spot/award a free. Canning, not pleased, basically throw up the ball and hit. Fogarty came flying in to block and caught the end of the hurl. He was down for a few minutes but was up and about after. Crowd gave it loads to Canning but he did what any other hurler would have down in the circumstances. Whole thing was minor enough.

dastardly00

KKCATDownUnder wrote: »

What exactly happened with Joe Canning and C Fogarty ?

I didn't have a great view of the incident but I would agree with citykat that it was a minor enough incident. There weren't too many scuffles or flares in the match at all.

The biggest cheer of the day was when Canning missed the subsequent free.

Speak Now

citykat wrote: »

Canning was running toward the sideline with the ball and a Kilkenny player (don't want to mention a name as i'm not sure it was him) caught him on the hand. Should've been a free. Ref didn't spot/award a free. Canning, not pleased, basically throw up the ball and hit. Fogarty came flying in to block and caught the end of the hurl. He was down for a few minutes but was up and about after. Crowd gave it loads to Canning but he did what any other hurler would have down in the circumstances. Whole thing was minor enough.

He did give the free.

citykat

Speak Now wrote: »

He did give the free.

He gave advantage first if I'm not mistaken and then when no advantage accrued he brought the ball back and gave the free.

droppingball

Glad to get out of the game with the two points, hurled ok first half and were very poor in the second half. What worries me is that we are not creating enough goal chances, we had a few early in the second half but not many others. We are trying to be a little clever with ball out the field and not delivering it early enough.

Padraig Walsh has had a great league so far, attacks the ball so well and is also a threat going forward. Conor Fogarty was industrious and hurled well, while I thought Kevin Kelly, Lester Ryan and Richie Hogan were poor. Shane Prendergast is proving capable and doesn't give away much and hasn't let us down yet, jersey is his for now and Jackie will have to fight for it as Murphy should be first in line for the 2 jersey. Interesting to see how we will go away to Cork as they will be desperate for win even though they were atrocious on Saturday night.

PáircLife

I felt it was a very poor game. Only for the performances of TJ, Padraig Walsh and Canning it wouldn't have been worth the entrance fee. Only realised Lester Ryan was playing in the 33rd minute, how BC stayed looking at him I'll never know. Was dissapointed that BC did not throw some new faces in when we were cruising with 20 mins left. Was eager to see how the likes of Martin, O'Shea and Malone would fair. Galway really didn't show up, when they started to believe they could win they really put it up to us but they left it too late. Happy with the 2 points.
Joy to watch TJ but Canning stole the show yesterday.

babyjesus14

citykat wrote: »

He gave advantage first if I'm not mistaken and then when no advantage accrued he brought the ball back and gave the free.

Nope, he blew for a free. And out of frustration and annoyance Canning drop pucked the ball straight at Conor Fogarty. Technically it was retaliation by Canning so the free should have been reversed and the ball thrown in.

But really it was much ado about nothing, it briefly liven up what was a pretty dull first half and Joe became the pantomime villain for a section of the crowd for a while.... much to the relief of Barry Kelly!

brookville

Hard to disagree with anything that's said above we were in total control in the first half and it looked like men against boy's walter missed two great chances and colin should of put the game to be bed early in the 2nd half.The positives was obviously the two points on the board but I think joey and shane are improving with every game, the backs in general hurled well while fogarty was very good.James maher worked hard while chipping in with two score's.kevin kelly wasn't as effective but hopefully he gets more game time

Cornerback1

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Nope, he blew for a free. And out of frustration and annoyance Canning drop pucked the ball straight at Conor Fogarty. Technically it was retaliation by Canning so the free should have been reversed and the ball thrown in.

But really it was much ado about nothing, it briefly liven up what was a pretty dull first half and Joe became the pantomime villain for a section of the crowd for a while.... much to the relief of Barry Kelly!

Wasn't a patch on Bubbles y'day though!!!

Halfway through the league..how are we fixed?

Happy enough i think after Waterford defeat. We looked off the pace and if Waterford had beat us by 15pts, it wouldn't been wrong. I suppose we had little training done plus the pitch was tight and heavy. It suited W'ford but they deserved to win.

Tipp game was in the balance until K Kelly hit the net. Good game to bring the lads on and fully deserved the win. Maher and Kelly were the big addition in this game. Thought Lennon played well also. With no Richie, others stood up and run up a decent score.

Played well in 1st half against Galway but in a poor enough game, let Galway back into it. Still finished the game strongly and got the 2 points.

BC has chopped and changed the team but places are still up for grabs in the next few months.

Hopefully a few others will get a run out in the next 2 games.

Cornerback1

I see Cork will be wearing blue jerseys on Saturday evening - colour they wore in 1916.

brookville

Would i be right in saying the team named tonight?

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Would i be right in saying the team named tonight?

Usually Friday night. I usually get a text through.

Are you thinking it may be different because game is on Saturday evening?

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Usually Friday night. I usually get a text through.

Are you thinking it may be different because game is on Saturday evening?

Yea i think its thursday because its saturday

BORO BILL

Is the game on tv this Saturday evening

robwen

BORO BILL wrote: »

Is the game on tv this Saturday evening

Setanta are showing it live, so possibility of dodgy internet stream aswell

robwen

‘To be honest about it, there were tears’: Richie Power on coming to terms with walking away

The eight-time All-Ireland winner announced his inter-county retirement in January but coming to terms with it has been tough.

RICHIE POWER HAD just had his third operation in ten months when the surgeon who performed the procedure dropped the bombshell.
He told the eight-time All-Ireland winner and two-time Allstar, that he would, more than likely, never play for Kilkenny again.
“To be honest about it, there were tears in the room”, Power says.
I sat there for a few minutes thinking ‘Did he actually say it?’ There was anger, there was disbelief. Driving back up the road, I rang our team doctor Tadhg Crowley and asked if he’d mind finding out just why they came to this conclusion. He rang me back that night and told me that it was, more or less, the right call and that if I continued to go training at the top level for the next year or two, the likelihood is that the knee would just break. So you’re looking at a knee replacement at 32 years of age and no one wants to face into that.”
That was last October, just weeks after he had made a twelve-minute cameo in the Cats’ four-point victory over Galway – their 36th All-Ireland title.
In January, Power announced his retirement from inter-county hurling but he had known for months. It just took him some time to properly get his head around it.

“You don’t expect to be told that, at 30, the likelihood is I may never run again”, says the Carrickshock clubman.
“I was still holding out hope after being told. I was thinking in my own head ‘This can’t be right’. I travelled the length and breadth of the country seeing different people – even Tadgh Kennelly arranged for me to meet the Aussie Rules doctors. Unfortunately, they all came to the one conclusion and that led to the decision being made.”
He desperately wants to return to action later this year. What’s driving him is the possibility of getting back to his roots. But he’s aware of the risk. In the last fourteen years, he’s had six operations on his knee. There’s no cartilage left anymore. It’s just bone grinding against bone. His training is restricted to gym work – the bike and the pool – anything that can help build up the muscles around the knee. But push too hard, even at club level, and Power could break down again.
“That’s hard to take. I’m clutching at straws, maybe, trying to get back to the club”, he admits.
It’s a very frustrating process I’m going through, spending every night in the gym on my own. The lads are out on the field, going through the pre-season slog. Anger does creep in a lot of the time. But you just have to swallow it and move on. I’ve seen a couple of specialists and they’ve said it is possible to go back playing, say at a lower level. But you have to be very mindful and very specific in the training that you do.”
Power can trace the injury problems to two defining moments in his career. The first came as a teenager when he was training with St. Kieran’s College.
“That was when I had my first keyhole operation”, he says.
“They took cartilage out of my knee which they don’t do now – they try and reattach it. I was told that the minute they take cartilage out of the knee, it weakens it so maybe my problems started then – when I was sixteen. Once I graduated past under-21, I only really had two teams – the club seniors and the Kilkenny seniors. We were never over-trained. Do you call it bad luck? Or was it that the knee was gradually getting worse as the years progressed? I don’t know.”

In April last year, after tallying 2-01 in the 2014 All-Ireland win over Tipperary the previous September, he was faced with another setback.
“We played James Stephens’ in a club game on a real wet Friday evening. I don’t remember twisting or turning or getting a belt or anything like that. But walking off the field that night I was just crippled and that’s when it all really started for me. Whether it was constant wear and tear and suddenly the knee just couldn’t take any more, I don’t know. But that’s when the real hardship started.”
He dug deep to get back for the summer but a return date kept on being pushed further and further out. For five months, Power pushed himself in the gym every night. Two weeks before the All-Ireland, he still wasn’t sure he’d make the panel. But, against the odds, it worked out. Kind of. His eighth and final Celtic Cross will also feel a bit less than the others. Does he have regrets?
Definitely. If I’d have been told last January that my knee wasn’t in a good place and to take twelve months off, I would have done that if it meant prolonging my career for, maybe, another four or five years. But that wasn’t the case. I just kept going. I pushed my body too much, too hard, to try and get back for the championship. To put my body through everything last year and to get back for twelve minutes of an All-Ireland final…it’s probably a regret. Walking off the field, I certainly didn’t think it was going to be my last time in Croke Park. If I had taken twelve months off, who knows? Maybe the knee might have been in a better place than it is now. But we’ll never know.”
The Kilkenny class of 2016 don’t seem to be missing him too much. There was an opening day league defeat to Waterford but they’ve followed it up with back-to-back wins over Tipperary and Galway.
Next up is basement side Cork at Pairc ui Rinn on Saturday night.
Power isn’t surprised that the Kilkenny machine shows no signs of stopping, quick to point out that they’ve been here before.
“When we had the bulk of retirements after 2014, a lot of people were saying that there was no way this Kilkenny team could come back and win an All-Ireland. Kilkenny aren’t going to miss anyone from the team that started the All-Ireland last year only Ger Aylward. They’re going back defending their title with fourteen of the fifteen that played the All-Ireland last year.
“I’ve been used more impact-wise in the last two years. Something like that they might miss – someone coming in for the last 15 or 20 minutes of a game.”

And what of the troubled Rebels? Their intense rivalry with Kilkenny seems a long time ago now and with a mammoth 5-68 conceded from their three games so far and coming off the back of a demoralising defeat against Dublin, confidence is at an all-time low.
Power has been surprised by the regression.
“I go back to 2013 when they beat us in the quarter-finals in Thurles. I just said ‘These guys are here to stay’. They were a very young team and I can’t really understand how they haven’t made that progression.
But a lot of it is shadow boxing. You’re probably going to see a completely different Cork side come the first round of the championship and it’s going to be the same with every other team as well. I think most managers know 12 or 13 of their starting championship team already and are just seeing if there’s one or two that can make the step up too. Some teams, I think, are aiming for the championship.”
So is Power. His goal is to feature again for Carrickshock and he’s earmarking a return to club action in July or August.
He’s hungry for it. And he’s clinging to the possibility.
“Eleven years on the senior panel and fifteen with Kilkenny – it leaves a huge void.

But, it allows you to go back to the club scene and go back to the guys you’ve hurled your whole life with. It’s been great to get back and get involved but I just hope I can play towards the end of the year.
Every player looks forward to going back with their club when they retire. Talking to Tommy Walsh – it’s been a new lease of life for him. He’s always the first on the field before training – the same with Henry. I was hoping and looking forward to doing that because you’re away from the club for so many years – you don’t get to spend as much time with the club as you’d like. And if I have to walk away from both at the same time, it’s going to be a massive disappointment to me because you want to go back to your club and give something back.”
Richie Power was speaking at the launch of the An Post Cycle Series which runs between May and September this year with five events taking place around the country.

http://www.the42.ie/richie-power-kilkenny-retirement-2652524-Mar2016/

tbiggertycome

Kil. v Cork
R Reid
P Murphy J Holden S Prendergast
P Walsh K Joyce C Buckley
C Fogarty D Cody
C Fennelly TJ Reid C Martin
W Walsh R Hogan K Kelly
Subs.
A Murphy
J Tyrrell
B Kennedy
C o Shea
L Ryan
J Maher
JJ Farrell
J Power
M Malone

C Bolger

blackcard

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Kil. v Cork
R Reid
P Murphy J Holden S Prendergast
P Walsh K Joyce C Buckley
C Fogarty D Cody
C Fennelly TJ Reid C Martin
W Walsh R Hogan K Kelly
Subs.
A Murphy
J Tyrrell
B Kennedy
C o Shea
L Ryan
J Maher
JJ Farrell
J Power
M Malone

C Bolger

D Cody is getting his third game in the league, more than any other newcomer. Is Rob Lennon injured or dropped?

KKCATDownUnder

blackcard wrote: »

D Cody is getting his third game in the league, more than any other newcomer. Is Rob Lennon injured or dropped?

I agree about D Cody and will be interesting to see how he goes and was wondering the same thing about Lennon.

kk1970

KKCATDownUnder wrote: »

I agree about D Cody and will be interesting to see how he goes and was wondering the same thing about Lennon.

Mind games

tbiggertycome

I'm definitely not the biggest fan of Diarmuid Cody. Last year I saw him only play one half decent game and I saw him be anonymous 4 or 5 times last year for the village. I would not pick him out as a county prospect in any of those games.

However to be fair I've been pleasantly surprised by his two performances in the League so far. I'm not saying he was amazing or anything but he was solid and wasn't a disaster which I half expected to be honest. He's definitely not at the level of Padraig Walsh, Buckley or Joyce but he shows a lot of heart and commitment which you would expect given the house he grew up in.

Would I like to see R Lennon or C O'Shea get a run instead of him, definitely I would but Cody is the boss and he gave Donnacha chances too. I think when Championship time rolls around he'll make the bench at best. I think he's like Lester does OK in the hard sloppy conditions at the start of the year but struggles once the ground hardens up. I'll start to worry if he's named ahead of Buckley in a championship game.

dastardly00

I missed the first minute.... What happened to Conor Fogarty???

Edit: just saw the replay.

dastardly00

Our full-back line are getting roasted at the moment.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Our full-back line are getting roasted at the moment.

Could have another goal..lads need to settle the game down.

dastardly00

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Could have another goal..lads need to settle the game down.

I'd gladly take half-time right now.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'd gladly take half-time right now.

True. If we go in 5 behind I'd be happy.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

I'd gladly take half-time right now.

Maybe don't want half time now!!!!!

dastardly00

I'm happy that we are only four points down at half-time. It could be a lot more.

Richie Reid has made a few good saves. He's doing well.

Our full-back line has been roasted in the first half. Quite worrying considering it is our 'championship' full-back line.

The half-back line were excellent last week against Galway, but are as equally poor so far tonight. Padraig Walsh is playing the best of the three.

Diarmiud Cody is doing quite well I think. Fogarty is a big loss. Lester is doing alright as well.

TJ has had more of an influence as the half went on. Colin Fennelly is very busy, winning a lot of dirty ball. He's being fouled anytime he gets on a run. Walter Walsh is going okay too.

Conor Martin and Kevin Kelly aren't in the game at all. Pretty anonymous.

I'm mystified why Richie Hogan is being kept so far forward. He's having hardly any impact (same as last week as Galway).

dastardly00

James Maher on for Conor Martin.
Martin just wasn't in the game at all. It could easily have been Kevin Kelly called off.

dastardly00

Beautiful from Richie Hogan. Lovely turn and shot for the point.

Cork could have got a flukely goal there.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

James Maher on for Conor Martin.
Martin just wasn't in the game at all. It could easily have been Kevin Kelly called off.

True. First 10 mins crucial.

Cornerback1

dastardly00 wrote: »

Beautiful from Richie Hogan. Lovely turn and shot for the point.

Cork could have got a flukely goal there.

I think Cork will get another couple of goal chances before game out...that sort of game.

Cornerback1

Diarmuid Cody and Lester Ryan going ok.
T.J. as always..super.

dastardly00

I've never seen Joey doing so bad.

Shane Prendergast also looks very dodgy.

I can't see us winning this game with the full-back line being so poor.

KevIRL

Could Harnedy have taken any more steps there?

Cornerback1

Power in for Kelly...need a response now after goal.

dastardly00

KevIRL wrote: »

Could Harnedy have taken any more steps there?

It was one of those situations where "the player is being fouled so we'll allow him take a few more steps".

dastardly00

Stupid free from Christopher Joyce there. Cody couldn't catch the ball again, and he didn't have the pace to outrun the Cork backs.

dastardly00

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Power in for Kelly...need a response now after goal.

If Power has more of an impact than Kelly had, I'll be amazed. And that's saying something as Kelly barely touched the ball.

dastardly00

Cork are being fairly cynical with their fouling.

Edit: That being said, KK have committed two poor fouls in the last few minutes.