Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

brookville

danganabu wrote: »

The debate here around Blanchield is pretty much a carbon copy of the talk that has been around Jason Forde in Tipp for the last few years, and I know he still hasnt actually delivered in the heat of the championship, but the signs are certainly good at the moment. Give the lad time, if Cody feels he is worth persisting with then that should be enough for any Kilkenny supporter.

There's lots of players that fall into this bracket.kevin kelly has yet to kick off.jason forde,niall o meara always seems a handful during the league but maybe it's because tipp have so many fowards these lads don't feature during the summer.
I remember buckley in 2012 he wasn't great.I dunno how many lads said lads like taggy,rice or brian hogan will never make it granted they had serious players around them.
We may need to be patient with lads like blanchfield he looks to be low on confidence.id prefer to see someone like conor o shea trying to nail down a spot at this stage of his career but that's not happening either.
Alan murphy could be an option off the bench when a game opens up.Chris bolger and john walsh seem to be way down the pecking order at the moment.

Joe_ Public

I’d say Forde has more than justified himself as a useful squad player, just needs one more push to become an established starter.

Must admit am a bit surprised at the negative vibes on Blanchfield here, thought he was doing ok if hardly pulling up trees yet. I guess he’s part of a Kilkenny generation not being brought into a thoroughly dominant set up anymore and the likely pressure will be all the greater for it.

windy shepard henderson

Joe_ Public wrote: »

I’d say Forde has more than justified himself as a useful squad player, just needs one more push to become an established starter.

Must admit am a bit surprised at the negative vibes on Blanchfield here, thought he was doing ok if hardly pulling up trees yet. I guess he’s part of a Kilkenny generation not being brought into a thoroughly dominant set up anymore and the likely pressure will be all the greater for it.

blanchfield probably made a name for himself as a scoring forward underage , he has only scored 1 point in this years league , when you compare what the likes of martin keoghan has done , but he is adapting to his new role in the middle , he dosent look like the answer on the half forward line though

Village87

There could be a fixture congestion with the last round of league matches changed. If Kilkenny get to the league final its fixed for the same weekend as the first round of club fixtures. Not ideal for club players changing fixtures at this stage when trying to get in order for the first round

mrbango

Village87 wrote:

There could be a fixture congestion with the last round of league matches changed. If Kilkenny get to the league final its fixed for the same weekend as the first round of club fixtures. Not ideal for club players changing fixtures at this stage when trying to get in order for the first round

Will they move club games back to September in that case? Can see a lot of players throwing in the towel if there is only one meaningful game between now and September

Village87

mrbango wrote: »

Will they move club games back to September in that case? Can see a lot of players throwing in the towel if there is only one meaningful game between now and September

Not sure interesting opinion. Under the new guidelines April is for Clubs only. The 2 rounds are fixed for the 31st March and 1st of April and the 14th/15th April so i presume club fixtures will go back to the weekending 21st/22nd April.Kilkenny have to make the league final first

TommyHilfiger

Village87 wrote: »

Not sure interesting opinion. Under the new guidelines April is for Clubs only. The 2 rounds are fixed for the 31st March and 1st of April and the 14th/15th April so i presume club fixtures will go back to the weekending 21st/22nd April.Kilkenny have to make the league final first

They are going to have a good look at this again these new guidelines have been a right mess from day one.

TommyHilfiger

TommyHilfiger wrote: »

They are going to have a good look at this again these new guidelines have been a right mess from day one.

They are going to have to have a good look at this again these new guidelines have been a right mess from day one.

greenspurs

TommyHilfiger wrote: »

They are going to have to have a good look at this again these new guidelines have been a right mess from day one.

They are going to have to have a good look at this again these new guidelines have been a right mess from day one ....



:P:D;)

brookville

What are people's thoughts on this weekend?should be a big crowd and a bit of bite to it.i know it's only the league but with us meeting them later in the year and our recent record this should be one we should be trying to win.
Will murphy or fogarty be back with the extra week?personally I'd like to get as many games as possible into brennan he made one or two very good saves against tipp and it's good to have him as back-up.
Ger aylward should be back and it'd be no harm to get a competitive match into him.
Padraig and delaney will probably come back into defence and donnelly could come back into attack.hopefully mossy gets another run but he looked tired the last day and nothing came off for him.He should have better days.
Very hard to guess a team but we'd have to be happy with the way things have went so far.Lots of the younger lads have done well but with the league coming to an end and the panel probably being shortened hopefully there'll be another good performance this weekend.

Cornerback1

All to play for now on the panel - no other distractions e.g. Fitzgibbon etc. so competition for places should start to hot up.

Is there a set no. of players for the league knock out games?

TommyHilfiger

Have you any suggestions about the fixtures fiasco.

Village87

TommyHilfiger wrote: »

Have you any suggestions about the fixtures fiasco.

Scrap the new championship. This time last year we were in the middle of the league, and looking forward to the big matches in Munster and Wexford v Kilkenny, one big match every Sunday with the occasional Saturday night match, and it didn't disappoint, my weekends were scheduled for these games this time last year and throw in Kilkenny club matches in April/May. Had my fill of hurling.

This year i dont know who is playing where and what matches i can attend. Its like the national league now. The new Championship is hard on the Munster teams also with 2 gone before they have a chance of playing a Leinster team. And club teams are all over the place at present.

brookville

www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/282174
Davey will be without chin and a few others.im not surprised given their through and after playing strong teams throughout he'll need to look at a few other players.im sure we'll make a good few changes aswell.

Village87

brookville wrote: »

www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/282174
Davey will be without chin and a few others.im not surprised given their through and after playing strong teams throughout he'll need to look at a few other players.im sure we'll make a good few changes aswell.

With Kilkenny more or less in the Quater Finals will they experiment also ? Kilkenny have used the same 20 players in the last 4 league matches

Joe_ Public

There was an interesting piece in one of the paper's yesterday. Davy has used just 23 players this League compared to Galway and Tipp with 30 and Kilkenny with 29. Come mid-summer, some of those lads will have a lot of yearly mileage on the clock, especially if they go to the end of the League. Hard to know how much long-term thinking is going on there.

brookville

Village87 wrote: »

With Kilkenny more or less in the Quater Finals will they experiment also ? Kilkenny have used the same 20 players in the last 4 league matches

Kk have being making at least five changes per match with the full back line being the most consistent line.id hope to to see a few more new faces this weekend.

Village87

Brennan
Bergin Walsh Deegan
Delaney Lyng Morrissey

Ollie Walsh James Maher

Blanchfield Richie Reid Scanlon
John Walsh Donnelly Billy Ryan

Time to try out some more players,
Buckley, Walter Walsh and TJ have could do with sitting this one out with long year ahead

brookville

Village87 wrote: »

Brennan
Bergin Walsh Deegan
Delaney Lyng Morrissey

Ollie Walsh James Maher

Blanchfield Richie Reid Scanlon
John Walsh Donnelly Billy Ryan

Time to try out some more players,
Buckley, Walter Walsh and TJ have could do with sitting this one out with long year ahead

I wouldn't mind seeing that team and them 3 lads rested but I doubt he will to be honest.

Irish Beef

brookville wrote: »

Village87 wrote: »

Brennan
Bergin Walsh Deegan
Delaney Lyng Morrissey

Ollie Walsh James Maher

Blanchfield Richie Reid Scanlon
John Walsh Donnelly Billy Ryan

Time to try out some more players,
Buckley, Walter Walsh and TJ have could do with sitting this one out with long year ahead

I wouldn't mind seeing that team and them 3 lads rested but I doubt he will to be honest.

Wouldn't agree at all, wouldn't like to start without those three guys, a win here is important enough, could be the difference between a quarter final with either Galway or Offaly. Its important that we try to go as far as we can in the league and give us more chances to try out players, also couldn't listen to Wexford lads if they beat us again for the forth time in a row. would also like to see Richie Leahy get another go at midfield.

Grats

Irish Beef wrote: »

Wouldn't agree at all, wouldn't like to start without those three guys, a win here is important enough, could be the difference between a quarter final with either Galway or Offaly. Its important that we try to go as far as we can in the league and give us more chances to try out players, also couldn't listen to Wexford lads if they beat us again for the forth time in a row. would also like to see Richie Leahy get another go at midfield.

I agree. This is a crucial match and it's certainly not the time for experimenting. In fact I'd go all out and strengthen the team where possible. Leahy had to start as do the experienced players to show leadership. A win would be huge confidence booster.

We all agree that the full back line needs attention. Holden's best position is at 2. I'd stick with P Walsh at 3 for now. And I'd start C Delaney at 4 instead of Deegan who was directly responsible for two goals against Tipp.

TommyHilfiger

brookville wrote: »

www.hoganstand.com/Article/Index/282174
Davey will be without chin and a few others.im not surprised given their through and after playing strong teams throughout he'll need to look at a few other players.im sure we'll make a good few changes aswell.

Its a must win on Sunday especially after the Walsh cup final what has to come.

brookville

I know what people are saying about playing all our strongest players available but most teams have taken a different approach to the league.
Cody will probably pick the strongest team he has no matter the opposition but lads like fogarty or murphy won't be rushed back maybe not like previous years.
I wouldn't mind seeing buckley,walter or tj rested but these 3 will probably start and tj and walter are probably needed to guide the other 4 inexperienced forwards.
The full back line will probably be restored to the first 3 matches.joey,walsh,deegan but morrissey probably the best of the full back line the last day.
Hopefully delaney gets another run in the half back line and browne was also decent against tipp.
Maher and leahy worked well in the 2nd half granted they probably gave brendan maher to much room.
His picked lyng and mossy for the four matches on the wing both have done well but didn't reach the same heights the last day.
Hopefully we might get a look at john walsh or bolger in the full foward line sunday.

danganabu

Grats wrote: »

I agree. This is a crucial match and it's certainly not the time for experimenting. In fact I'd go all out and strengthen the team where possible.

TommyHilfiger wrote: »

Its a must win on Sunday especially after the Walsh cup final what has to come.

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

Grats

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

Read our entire posts.

danganabu

Grats wrote: »

Read our entire posts.

I did and they make little or no sense to be perfectly honest. It's a perfect chance for Cody to experiment, winning or loosing is irrelevant its a challenge match and has no consequences. In fact one could easily make the argument that a QF against Galway in an actual knockout game would be far more beneficial than a nothing gme against Offaly.

Grats

The previous posts clearly state our view of things. They differ from yours. I guess that's understandable.

TommyHilfiger

It shows where we come from you think you know what you are talking about.

HoHohurlin

brookville wrote: »

I know what people are saying about playing all our strongest players available but most teams have taken a different approach to the league.
Cody will probably pick the strongest team he has no matter the opposition but lads like fogarty or murphy won't be rushed back maybe not like previous years.
I wouldn't mind seeing buckley,walter or tj rested but these 3 will probably start and tj and walter are probably needed to guide the other 4 inexperienced forwards.
The full back line will probably be restored to the first 3 matches.joey,walsh,deegan but morrissey probably the best of the full back line the last day.
Hopefully delaney gets another run in the half back line and browne was also decent against tipp.
Maher and leahy worked well in the 2nd half granted they probably gave brendan maher to much room.
His picked lyng and mossy for the four matches on the wing both have done well but didn't reach the same heights the last day.
Hopefully we might get a look at john walsh or bolger in the full foward line sunday.

i agree about Walsh or Bolger being tried out. Two very dangerous scoring forwards when they get going,exciting to watch. probably won't be seeing them though. Hasn't played them all league so wouldn't expect a change of heart now

Irish Beef

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

Its far from a dead rubber as far as Kilkenny are concerned, we need to keep momentum going within the team, its fine trying a few different guys here and there but its important to keep a strong core of experience within the team or it could lose its shape, Id like to see the younger guys coming onto a winning team and having the likes of wally and TJ around them.

danganabu

TommyHilfiger wrote: »

It shows where we come from you think you know what you are talking about.

I'm sorry you lost me, this sentence actually makes no sense what so ever, care to elaborate?

danganabu

Irish Beef wrote: »

Its far from a dead rubber as far as Kilkenny are concerned, we need to keep momentum going within the team, its fine trying a few different guys here and there but its important to keep a strong core of experience within the team or it could lose its shape, Id like to see the younger guys coming onto a winning team and having the likes of wally and TJ around them.

I'd agree if it was a case that Wexford were putting out a strong team or if Wexford had something tangible to play for, the reality is they dont and have already confirmed they will be resting some if not all of their leading stars.

I do agree with the sentiment that very little can be learned by throwing a team full of new players together and that the best way to introduce new or inexperienced players is to mix them with the more established players.

But the notion of fielding a stronger more experienced team than has been selected all league is nonsensical and Cody and his management team would learn nothing from going down that route.

Irish Beef

danganabu wrote: »

I'd agree if it was a case that Wexford were putting out a strong team or if Wexford had something tangible to play for, the reality is they dont and have already confirmed they will be resting some if not all of their leading stars.

I do agree with the sentiment that very little can be learned by throwing a team full of new players together and that the best way to introduce new or inexperienced players is to mix them with the more established players.

But the notion of fielding a stronger more experienced team than has been selected all league is nonsensical and Cody and his management team would learn nothing from going down that route.

Its easy for Davy to be resting guys as he already has six points and he hasn't tried nearly as many guys as us throughout the league, this match is more important for us. There's plenty of room for experimentation on sunday as long as we keep a good level of experience on the field and we can still try a few guys, however as far as I'm concerned a win here is very important and any changes that are made cant get in the way of that happening and I think Cody will be taking a similar approach.

danganabu

Grats wrote: »

I agree. This is a crucial match and it's certainly not the time for experimenting. In fact I'd go all out and strengthen the team where possible. Leahy had to start as do the experienced players to show leadership. A win would be huge confidence booster.

Irish Beef wrote: »

There's plenty of room for experimentation on sunday as long as we keep a good level of experience on the field and we can still try a few guys

Ah yeah I wasnt advocating a mass change Beef, I agree with keeping some experienced players on the field, it was the quoted post above that I didnt agree with which id suggesting a full strenght 15, I fail to see how much confidence can be gained from beating a second string Wexford outfit with nothing to play for, teh result on Sunday will have absolutely no bearing on the Leinster Championship and to be honest I think KK can experiment and it won't jeopardise their chances of wining the game and maintaing the momentum. If you dont play a few of the fringe players on Sunday when are you going to play them??

dastardly00

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

Given that KK have lost to Wexford in their last three competitive meetings, that's one reason for this upcoming match not to be a dead rubber (for KK).

danganabu

dastardly00 wrote: »

Given that KK have lost to Wexford in their last three competitive meetings, that's one reason for this upcoming match not to be a dead rubber (for KK).

Thats very true and no harm to put down a marker, just not convinced that it can be quantified in anyway when Wexford are treating it as a warm up for the QF's and if its a dead rubber for one team then its generally the same for the other.

Obviously people don't agree with and I'm sorry I said anything so we'll agree to disagree and the discussion can revert to the game in hand.

piuswal

If Clare lost KK could top the table.

dastardly00

danganabu wrote: »

Thats very true and no harm to put down a marker, just not convinced that it can be quantified in anyway when Wexford are treating it as a warm up for the QF's and if its a dead rubber for one team then its generally the same for the other.

Obviously people don't agree with and I'm sorry I said anything so we'll agree to disagree and the discussion can revert to the game in hand.

If KK have a good start... Davy will go ballistic... and it will be anything but a dead rubber!

Cornerback1

Any word on Conor Fogarty these days?

Mankbag

danganabu wrote: »

Are ye on the sauce lads, its a dead rubber in every sense of the word.

EVERY game is important to Brian Cody.

brookville

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Any word on Conor Fogarty these days?

it said on the kilkenny people that he along with eoin murphy could be available,conor had a virus which was difficult to shake off.

Grats

As I said previously we should put out the strongest team possible on Sunday. Obviously that's not the same as a full strength team right now as a number of players are still not available. Cody has been experimenting, as Kilkenny supporters well know, and many so called 'fringe players' have been tried. Some have grasped the opportunity and one would expect those to continue to be used along with the few experienced ones we have. That's my idea of the strongest team possible!

If Fogarty, Murphy and Aylward are available they should be used too - particularly Fogarty and Aylward as they've missed out a lot to date.

Davy and others can approach the final round as they see fit but Cody has different needs and focus.

Village87

Grats wrote: »

As I said previously we should put out the strongest team possible on Sunday. Obviously that's not the same as a full strength team right now as a number of players are still not available. Cody has been experimenting, as Kilkenny supporters well know, and many so called 'fringe players' have been tried. Some have grasped the opportunity and one would expect those to continue to be used along with the few experienced ones we have. That's my idea of the strongest team possible!

If Fogarty, Murphy and Aylward are available they should be used too - particularly Fogarty and Aylward as they've missed out a lot to date.

Davy and others can approach the final round as they see fit but Cody has different needs and focus.

Cody will be going for the win, make no bones about it. The reason i am stating that Kilkenny try out lads is that they are carrying 50+ hurlers how can these lads all have a got a chance ?

As for Fogarty, hasn't been a loss, Players like Leahy can step in and do the world of hurling, thats what we need from our midfielders now along with working hard.

Grats

I think everyone is aware of Leahy's capabilities and would be in agreement with him starting on Sunday. Fogarty has had a virus for some months and if he's fit and well he deserves a run.

dastardly00

I think I read somewhere on this thread that Fogarty had glandular fever.
If that's the case, it can take a long time to recover from it.

dastardly00

Decent article outlining the permutations for the final round of fixtures:

https://www.rte.ie/sport/gaa/2018/0308/945977-the-permutations-ahead-of-decisive-hurling-weekend/

dobbs2210

A few players were dropped from the Kilkenny panel this week. Sean Morrissey and Chris Bolger were definitely two and there was one or two more that were cut.

brookville

dobbs2210 wrote: »

A few players were dropped from the Kilkenny panel this week. Sean Morrissey and Chris Bolger were definitely two and there was one or two more that were cut.

Not shocked about Bolger but a little dissapointed.I heard he wasn't great in the 2 recent challenge matches.he has time on his side tho hopefully he can force his way back into the panel.

dubcat51

Well if bolger is dropped surely conor martin should be joining him.

Garyp88

dubcat51 wrote: »

Well if bolger is dropped surely conor martin should be joining him.

I'm thinking the same bolger played well for clara last year, he scored against laois in the Walsh Cup and not played since I heard he did OK in the challenge matches. Connor Martin has been poor least bolger is capable of getting a goal