Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

SteJer

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would imagine Micheal Ryan knows at this stage what Noel McGrath is all about and he was outstanding in the games he's played in and is using the opportunity to give game time to other guys rather than him "not going well in training"!

Maybe. Hard to know.

babyjesus14

SteJer wrote: »

Did I say Noel McGrath hadn't played well in the league? I said most of the players mentioned weren't playing well. Noel McGrath was the obvious exception. For him I referenced the fact Ryan hasn't started him or brought him on in the last two matches even though they are down a lot of forwards. Maybe he's not going well in training or maybe he's struggling with an injury.

Ok show me where you said Noel McGrath was "the obvious exception"?

SteJer

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Ok show me where you said Noel McGrath was "the obvious exception"?

I said most (not all) the players mentioned have not played well in the league. The fact I didn't say McGrath did not play well in the games he has played in makes him the obvious exception. Paul Maher has done well so far too.

babyjesus14

SteJer wrote: »

I said most (not all) the players mentioned have not played well in the league. The fact I didn't say McGrath did not play well in the games he has played in makes him the obvious exception. Paul Maher has done well so far too.

Well you mentioned Noel McGrath in the next sentence so i guess myself and the other postered inferred you were suggesting that Noel McGrath wasn't playing well and hence they reason he hasn't played the last two games! Well ain't we very silly boys!:rolleyes:

SteJer

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Well you mentioned Noel McGrath in the next sentence so i guess myself and the other postered inferred you were suggesting that Noel McGrath wasn't playing well and hence they reason he hasn't played the last two games! Well ain't we very silly boys!:rolleyes:

Well I suppose ye have learned a valuable lesson of the importance of reading something carefully and not assuming things. Apology accepted.

babyjesus14

SteJer wrote: »

Well I suppose ye have learned a valuable lesson of the importance of reading something carefully and not assuming things. Apology accepted.

Dude, that was sarcasm! You clearly inferred that Noel McGrath wasn't selected for the last two games because he wasn't playing well! As the other poster said you are a spoofer!!:D

SteJer

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Dude, that was sarcasm! You clearly inferred that Noel McGrath wasn't selected for the last two games because he wasn't playing well! As the other poster said you are a spoofer!!:D

Wow that apology lasted all of 10 minutes!!

So when I say Noel McGrath mustn't be going well in training or else he would have started the last two matches you instead see the words Noel McGrath hasn't played well in the league so has been dropped for the last two matches!! Huge difference between the two. Off to Specsavers with you I think.

babyjesus14

SteJer wrote: »

Wow that apology lasted all of 10 minutes!!

So when I say Noel McGrath mustn't be going well in training or else he would have started the last two matches you instead see the words Noel McGrath hasn't played well in the league so has been dropped for the last two matches!! Huge difference between the two. Off to Specsavers with you I think.

What apology? I never apologised for anything! What was there to apologise for?

blackcard

Can you pm each other if ye want to talk about Tipp or take it to the Tipp thread. Ye are making yourselves look silly and no one is interested in your spat

Rasputin11

Noel has a broken thumb.

Village87

dubcat51 wrote: »

Kelly if fit would start in the forwards for me.also fogarty at midfield with leahy.like the look of browne and would like to see more of him.
My team at the moment if all fit and available
1E.murphy
2.p. murphy
3.p walsh (would prefer at half back but nobody else given a go)
4.joey
5.delaney
6.bucko
7.browne
8.fogarty
9.leahy
10.wally
11. Richie
12 tj
13 kelly
14. Colin
15 .ger

That team is grand in theory but Fennelly Murphy & kelly will be missing for all of May

brookville

Village87 wrote: »

That team is grand in theory but Fennelly Murphy & kelly will be missing for all of May

I agree with you it's going to be very hard for the 3 above to get up to speed against teams targeting may.
Kelly had an operation after the club final and cleere a few months ago it'll be harder for them.

babyjesus14

Talking to someone close to the Kilkenny camp this morning and according to him if we get through next weekend the arrangements for the semis are if it's Galway it will be played in Limerick and if it's Wexford it will be a toss for home venue. Apparently it will also be on the Saturday the reason for which he didn't know. If that doesn't turn out to be true please please don't shoot the messenger! Just thought i would pass it on.

SteJer

Rasputin11 wrote: »

Noel has a broken thumb.

That answers why he's currently not available so.

minty81

The guy who's impressed me the most in the league so far is Joey Holden!
I just think he's shown unbelievable character to come back this year and get himself into very good form.
I doubt any player has ever got a roasting in an all ireland the likes Joey suffered in 2016 and last season his confidence was clearly shattered from it.
But despite this and despite the groans from most supporters when he has continuously been named, he's turned out 3 or 4 very good performances this year and is playing from the front now.

I just think he's shown unbelievable mental strength and fair play to the lad, many a man wouldn't have come back from that 2016 experience.

brookville

minty81 wrote: »

The guy who's impressed me the most in the league so far is Joey Holden!
I just think he's shown unbelievable character to come back this year and get himself into very good form.
I doubt any player has ever got a roasting in an all ireland the likes Joey suffered in 2016 and last season his confidence was clearly shattered from it.
But despite this and despite the groans from most supporters when he has continuously been named, he's turned out 3 or 4 very good performances this year and is playing from the front now.

I just think he's shown unbelievable mental strength and fair play to the lad, many a man wouldn't have come back from that 2016 experience.

Have to agree with this I know at times your only waiting for him to be roasted but credit where it's due he has being consistent for us so far and fair play to him.
It also must be said padraig is slowly turning into a full back i know his such a good hurler but lads like paul murphy and jackie have struggled in the past in that position padraig is just so confident and such a good hurler we'd love to have him further out the field.

Realt Dearg Sec

brookville wrote: »

Have to agree with this I know at times your only waiting for him to be roasted but credit where it's due he has being consistent for us so far and fair play to him.
It also must be said padraig is slowly turning into a full back i know his such a good hurler but lads like paul murphy and jackie have struggled in the past in that position padraig is just so confident and such a good hurler we'd love to have him further out the field.

I'm happy enough with Holden in the corner but think he struggles a lot at full. Agree about Walsh, would still love to see him playing wing back for us, his instinct is to drive forward in possession, but he seems to have grasped the changing nature of the role of a full back in the modern game.

Jackie Tyrell had a good article about this last year, where he noted that the idea of the full back as an imposing presence minding the square is obsolete, that nowadays he serves more as a kind of man-marker across the full back line, and is much more likely to have to move out from the goals. And yet he still has to mind the square as well. So it's hard to find someone capable of both imposing himself on the space and being able to man-mark AND having the hurling brain to know when to do which thing. That decision making was always there, but his point is that it's less about dealing with high ball and so on, and more dealing with forwards who will create and use space in front of you.

Anyway his main point was that the demands of it are higher now, and in addition to needing a fantastic player, it also takes a lot of time. Looks now to me like Padraig Walsh is showing the benefits of that investment of time. I have to admit I had no real faith in the project but he seems to be coming good (lot of work still to be done and there's no good plan B!)

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/hurling/jackie-tyrrell-old-style-full-back-an-endangered-species-1.3168609

SteJer

Holden is going well so far in the league but the problem is that most teams are going to try drag Walsh out from full back and isolate Holden in there. Holden is just about ok in the corner with Walsh beside him but I'd have very little confidence in him if isolated by the opposition in front of goal.

kilkennyboy

Silly talk in some of the media about taking Murphy out of the goal and playing him out the field.

TommyHilfiger

Is Joe Lyng dropped from the panel, or is he leaving it due to work commitments abroad.

Realt Dearg Sec

SteJer wrote: »

Holden is going well so far in the league but the problem is that most teams are going to try drag Walsh out from full back and isolate Holden in there. Holden is just about ok in the corner with Walsh beside him but I'd have very little confidence in him if isolated by the opposition in front of goal.

Was it the tipp match he played full back? The lesson that day was to pump high ball in on top of him all day, he struggles when he's isolated like that

Village87

minty81 wrote: »

The guy who's impressed me the most in the league so far is Joey Holden!
I just think he's shown unbelievable character to come back this year and get himself into very good form.
I doubt any player has ever got a roasting in an all ireland the likes Joey suffered in 2016 and last season his confidence was clearly shattered from it.
But despite this and despite the groans from most supporters when he has continuously been named, he's turned out 3 or 4 very good performances this year and is playing from the front now.

I just think he's shown unbelievable mental strength and fair play to the lad, many a man wouldn't have come back from that 2016 experience.

Im not that conivniced, struggled against Harnedy down in Cork. Struggled in the 2nd half against Tipperary. Kilkenny had an extra back against Wexford. Summer hurling is different

citykat

In fairness to Joey any back would have struggled on Callinan in 2016 given the form he was in and the space he had.

babyjesus14

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

Was it the tipp match he played full back? The lesson that day was to pump high ball in on top of him all day, he struggles when he's isolated like that

Yep. And that's clearly a weakness in Joey's game, while he's tall he lacks the physical strength under the dropping ball. Harnedy, Conlon and Callanan have all caused him problems over the last couple of seasons and Tipp clearly targeted him in the second half when the went 7 points down by bringing on Russell and putting him on Joey and going direct and it worked. He obviously is less susceptible to that sort of tactic in the corner and can also gamble a bit more by hurling from the front in there too which he has been doing quite well.

minty81

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Silly talk in some of the media about taking Murphy out of the goal and playing him out the field.

In other words some 'journo' read a couple of the comments on this thread and made an article out of it

greenspurs

kilkennyboy wrote: »

Silly talk in some of the media about taking Murphy out of the goal and playing him out the field.

Some journalist/hack must have read it on here the other day, and thought he had a scoop !!!!

Cornerback1

Village87 wrote: »

minty81 wrote: »

The guy who's impressed me the most in the league so far is Joey Holden!
I just think he's shown unbelievable character to come back this year and get himself into very good form.
I doubt any player has ever got a roasting in an all ireland the likes Joey suffered in 2016 and last season his confidence was clearly shattered from it.
But despite this and despite the groans from most supporters when he has continuously been named, he's turned out 3 or 4 very good performances this year and is playing from the front now.

I just think he's shown unbelievable mental strength and fair play to the lad, many a man wouldn't have come back from that 2016 experience.

Im not that conivniced, struggled against Harnedy down in Cork. Struggled in the 2nd half against Tipperary. Kilkenny had an extra back against Wexford. Summer hurling is different

I think, if I'm not mistaken, is they are saying that Joey has shown great courge to come back in and force his way back into team after 2016. Callanan got all the plaudits - therefore Joey was hammered (not all his fault). So the easy thing would be disappear but fair play to him for keep plugging away.

He still looks shakey at times in the corner but hopefully his confidence keeps improving and he builds on that.

brookville

What kind of team would we like to see this weekend?lots of outsiders probably see this as a comfortable win but offally are improving which is great to see because we need them competitive.They won't be afraid to use the hurl and gave us a scare a few months ago in the walsh cup.
We have a realistic chance of getting to a league final which many of us wouldn't have predicted twenty minutes into the clare match.We're getting game time into lots of inexperienced lads which will hopefully benefit us in this rebuild.
Murphy looks to be still out so I expect 1-9 to stay more or less the same.
Id like to see a few changes up front I thought we struggled badly especially at times in the 2nd half.
This weekend probaly wouldnt suit lads like scanlon or billy ryan we'll probably go for size.
Hopefully there's a few changes anyway.

laneykin

Just heard Tullamore pitch is to be examined tomorrow, if it doesn't pass the match will be played in Kilkenny instead. Pitch is very wet apparently.

WhatsGoingOn2

laneykin wrote: »

Just heard Tullamore pitch is to be examined tomorrow, if it doesn't pass the match will be played in Kilkenny instead. Pitch is very wet apparently.

With the forecast this weekend, there is a strong possibility of postponements. That will cause havoc with the fixtures list.

Village87

With the rules about having the Month of April free for clubs when would the league final take place ?

Realt Dearg Sec

Village87 wrote: »

With the rules about having the Month of April free for clubs when would the league final take place ?

If I were a betting man I would say that some rules are treated more like guidelines.

Village87

Realt Dearg Sec wrote: »

If I were a betting man I would say that some rules are treated more like guidelines.

Maybe just leave April to County teams have the All Irelands finished up by the end of July and let the clubs go at it from August to November.

its just getting out of hand for clubs now. At least this way is the year is split in 2 and club players know when there games take place. Also dont have to interfere with county teams

Realt Dearg Sec

Village87 wrote: »

Maybe just leave April to County teams have the All Irelands finished up by the end of July and let the clubs go at it from August to November.

Too sensible, will never happen.

Cornerback1

Kilkenny v Off

D Brennan J Holden P Walsh P Deegan C DelaneyC Buckley C Browne R Leahy O Walsh L Blanchfield TJ Reid J Maher G Aylward W Walsh R Reid Subs E Morrissey C oShea R Lennon L Ryan P Lyng L Scanlon J Donnelly A Murphy C Martin B Ryan B Sheehan

tbiggertycome

Kilkenny v Off
D Brennan
J Holden P Walsh P Deegan
C Delaney C Buckley C Browne
R Leahy O Walsh
L Blanchfield TJ Reid J Maher
G Aylward W Walsh R Reid
Subs
E Morrissey
C O'Shea
R Lennon
L Ryan
P Lyng
L Scanlon
J Donnelly
A Murphy
C Martin
B Ryan
B Sheehan

BORO BILL

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Kilkenny v Off
D Brennan
J Holden P Walsh P Deegan
C Delaney C Buckley C Browne
R Leahy O Walsh
L Blanchfield TJ Reid J Maher
G Aylward W Walsh R Reid
Subs
E Morrissey
C O'Shea
R Lennon
L Ryan
P Lyng
L Scanlon
J Donnelly
A Murphy
C Martin
B Ryan
B Sheehan

Glad some of the younger lads are rested. It’s hard going on them in very testing conditions.

kilkennyboy

Just on the pitches. With the first rd of the club on April 1st .are any club pitches open yet.it would make since to call off the first rd .teams need a chance to get in games

brookville

Not surprisingly his gone for blanchfield and richie reid there's a bit more size to them.Is mossy injured?browne deserves another run im a bit surprised to see him change the mf but maher seems to have improved his finishing so hopefully he can chip in with a few points.
Richie reid is not a corner foward altho positions don't mean much but at least himself and walsh are getting another run after their clare performance.
Happy to see that Sheehan is still on the panel.

dubcat51

Might not be the forum lads but did you see the minor camogie reult.dublin 2-15 kk 0-2.anyone know anything about kk team.

The sensation

Looks like the game will be off today, lots of snow in Tullamore this morning

brookville

The sensation wrote: »

Looks like the game will be off today, lots of snow in Tullamore this morning[/quote

Hard to see much going ahead today.

The sensation

brookville wrote: »

The sensation wrote: »

Looks like the game will be off today, lots of snow in Tullamore this morning[/quote

Hard to see much going ahead today.

Officially off now refixture details later today

brookville

The sensation wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

Officially off now refixture details later today

Looks like there going to try play it tomorrow

WhatsGoingOn2

brookville wrote: »

The sensation wrote: »

Looks like there going to try play it tomorrow

Limerick v Clare only hurling match on today.
Others refixed for tomorrow

KevIRL

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

Limerick v Clare only hurling match on today.
Others refixed for tomorrow

Does that include the relegation play off?

zetecescort

KevIRL wrote: »

WhatsGoingOn2 wrote: »

Does that include the relegation play off?

Relegation game still on, only starting to get light snowfall in Cork now

http://www.gaa.ie/news/allianz-league-fixture-postponements/

FCIM

Limerick - Clare fallen foul of the snow now too. I hope TG4 will still televise the matches it was planning to.

brookville

Will the matches even go ahead tomor providing the snow stops tonight?

usualstripes

https://mobile.twitter.com/officialgaa

1:30pm throw in.
Dublin/tipp and wexford/Galway postponed