Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

MfMan

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Was with you until you got to Martin Breheny who could retire now and give journalism classes on how to regurgitate old articles for your entire career. I dont pay too much heed to be honest to match predictions, they get some right and some wrong, it's the quality of the analysis I look for. Problem with journalism today, the default position for reporters now is to sit in their office, surf the net, and expunge on any and every topic that catches their eye. Field reporting is critically diminished, specialists are frowned upon because papers, with that gimlet eye on the bottom line, won't feel they are getting the value.

Hurling is a tricky craft to write about, I think, because what looks simple actually needs a trained eye and a lot of passion. I always read Denis Walsh because I think he has that passion and a decent critical eye. The likes of McEvoy and Christy O'Connor are readable too. Whether you agree with them or not, you know they are watching and studying the games and offering you something considered and worth thinking about.

He'll be retiring next year anyway I think. Breheny is largely hopeless, constantly quoting stats and results to frame whatever opinion piece he's is currently on about. That is, when he's not drawing up comparison best-of lists or mid-term performance reports. He still hasn't quite credited Galway's successes last year, was very much in the Cunningham camp when the players heaved him 2 seasons back.

brookville

Grats wrote: »

RayVaughan1984 wrote: »

He played brilliantly in the matchup Vs Maher.
That's the thing about KK.Cody rebuilds.All he needs is a dedicated squad who have talent,they dont necessarily need to be Richie Power or of Shefflin standard but as long as they show potential and dedication,KK will be a match for anyone.Can you imagine if Cody was managing Tipp last weekend?with that calibre of player.I suspect Tipp would have won by 6 .Not convinced at all by Ryan.Think he needs a very strong Munster campaign and to make the last 2 in order for fans to be satisfied.Bringing Barrett on at Midfield?especially when the defence is struggling really boggles.We need to shore up that defence.

It's not all to do with the calibre of player, you must have the right attitude. Cody has developed an environment over the years. Players know and understand what's expected of them. He quickly weeds out those who aren't suitable. Work rate is a vital ingredient as we witnessed yet again on Sunday.

On Barrett, he's not at all suitable out the field. He's just too exposed as he lashes out instinctively. He needs it tight where his "style" isn't as exposed.

When the panel was cut a few weeks ago alot of lads including myself were dissaointed john Walsh and bolger were dropped both dangerous forwards but both probably lacking the drive,commitment,application and work rate that mossy or bill sheehan has.I'm not saying these two are the finished article but they just sum up cody.Im hopefull walsh and bolger can get the head down and stick at it because both have something to offer
Barrett was an all star two years ago corner back I can't understand how Tipp don't leave him in his best position.

Joe_ Public

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I would be more interested in content rather than prose when i read about hurling. That's why I would have respect for the likes of Breheny, Christy O'Connor, Mick Foley, Colm Keys. And have no time for the likes of McEvoy or Walsh, who certainly had a barely concealed agenda when it came to Kilkenny in the noughties(the length of the grass was one of the reasons he put forward for Kilkenny beating Cork in '06). He was also one of the main cheerleaders in the Kilkenny hurling "over the edge" campaign in that period. Once describing Kilkenny's training sessions as "bordering on lawlessness ", i attended many of those training sessions back in the days when it was an open door policy and that certainly wasn't my experience! I wonder how many he attended him being based in Cork?!

Ah well I knew the perceived anti-Kilkenny bias was going to come out sooner rather than later. Look, as I said, we all look for different things when we read stuff, I'm not saying your wrong in your choices and, to be honest, these types of discussions often lead nowhere fast or worthwhile. I like Walsh because I feel there's a good balance between knowledge and good writing in his stuff. I don't think he has to be right about everything or write what I want to read to be impressed. Confirmation bias is a reader's biggest enemy when it comes to assessing these things imo.

I remember years ago reading a piece Walsh wrote about the Cork full forward line of Fitzgibbon, Hennessy and Mulcahy and, even as a non-Cork man, it was an article that gave me goose bumps reading it. Something the likes of Breheny could not come near in a million and one years. Maybe that's the type of stuff I like reading, as opposed to the bread and butter stuff of why someone won last week's match and who will win the replay. We're well serviced with an army of pundits to give us the analysis stuff these days though I think the football ones are a bit better than their hurling counterparts in that department at the moment.

babyjesus14

MfMan wrote: »

He'll be retiring next year anyway I think. Breheny is largely hopeless, constantly quoting stats and results to frame whatever opinion piece he's is currently on about. That is, when he's not drawing up comparison best-of lists or mid-term performance reports. He still hasn't quite credited Galway's successes last year, was very much in the Cunningham camp when the players heaved him 2 seasons back.

God imagine that a journalist able to back up his opinion with stats and results! Sack him quick, we need more spoofers and click bait attention seekers!

And where did he not credit Galway for last year's success? He ranked them as number one in this end of season rankings which you so much despise! And like myself he feels the jury is very much still out on this current Galway team, with the age profile of the team they will have to go on and win another All Ireland or two over the next few years if they want to be remembered as a great team rather than just a good team.

And yes he was very much in the Cunningham camp as were a number of the players. The campaign was very much driven by a group of senior players three of whom Tannion, Collins and Smith had axes to grind as he had dropped them that year. The key to that heave was getting senior player and club mate of Cunningham's David Burke on board which from my sources was touch and go and he did it reluctantly because he felt it was the only way to get the issue sorted otherwise it could've turned into a right mess!

Village87

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Thought Forde did pretty well myself, caught a few balls and did at least look like he could have been a threat if more decent supply had come his way. Not sure how Callanan comes back into the fold when he's fit, but cant see it being at the expense of Forde way things have gone. John McGrath was quieter yesterday, the little he did he did wonderfully, as you'd expect, but Tipp needed a bit more. Dan McCormack is the key to getting that forward line moving I believe.

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

Grats

Village87 wrote: »

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

My guess is that neither would work their socks off to stay with Buckley. They were relatively quiet on the markers they were on, couldn't imagine them getting anything more off Buckley in that case. Moving either would have helped their original opponent to get on top.

Joe_ Public

Village87 wrote: »

Why didnt Tipp managment put Forde or Mcgrath Centre forward on Buckley ?

This would stop Buckley moving around. Bill Mccarthy didnt know what to do with he Sliother. Forde or Mcgrath would get 2 r 3 handy points then Buckley would have to step up and man mark.

Very naive from Tipp management

It's a fair question. McCarthy was left on a long time, as was Curran. Dont know what Tipp management were thinking. Mark Russell did a bit of damage when he got a full half the last day in the League match, got on with 10 minutes left here and his colleagues being beaten up a stick.

Moosey15

Do you have any details on who was cut from panel short time ago ,who remains on periphery/training panel ?

danganabu

blackcard wrote: »

Dangan, if all players are fit what do you think the Tipperary championship would look like? They came close enough last year and the inclusion of Alan Flynn, Jason Forde and Cathal Barrett should improve them? Or have some players gone backwards? Would yesterday's 1-9 team be far off? Just trying to figure out the merits of Kilkenny's performance yesterday.

Thats a very good question, I think that the starting 15, injuries aside, will look something like ;

Mooney

Flynn Barry Cahill

Heffernan R Maher P Maher

B Maher D Mc Cormack

Bonner S Callinan N Mcgrath

Bubbles J Forde J McGrath

Personally I would have Barrett or Donagh Maher full back but dont see that happening this late in the year and while Barry has had a very poor league and was poor for most of last year he actually had a very good game against Galway last year, Mick Ryan obviously sees him as his number one full back and to be fair to Barry and a little like Joey Holden in 2016 the problems were coming from farther out the field and it was more a case of the last line being the one visually exposed.

I would also play Hogan in the goals but again Mick Ryan seems fairly set on Mooney, I appreciate that our half forward line were poor and have to take a huge portion of the blame but Mooney's puck outs were and are atrocious, when you consider a goalkepper will have on average between 30-35 puckouts a game its a massive part of a keepers artilary and Mooney is incredibly poor at it.

All and all the doom and gloom that has descended on Tipp folk in the last 48 hrs is completly OTT, we are imo in a better place than we were 12 months ago and the reality is that 12 months ago it took a wonder score from a gifted player to seperate the All Ireland champions and Tipp, Flynn, Barrett and Forde have unquestionably added to the strenght of the panel so as long as, and its a big caveat, Callinan and Bubbles return to 2016/17 form Tipp will be bang there again come August.

Grats

Had Kilkenny lost on Sunday I think KK supporters would have been questioning as to why some of the young forwards were left on so long. But that's Cody's way in the league, give a player every chance and not to be just concerned with result. With a bit of luck young Alan Murphy could have had at least two points off Alan Flynn who's highly thought of in Tipp. The experience will stand to him as it will with the other youngsters.

babyjesus14

Moosey15 wrote: »

Do you have any details on who was cut from panel short time ago ,who remains on periphery/training panel ?

Unfortunately it seems to be easier to get information out of North Korea than it is to get information out of the Kilkenny hurling camp. Though i did hear that Ollie Walsh was recently cut from the panel.

babyjesus14

danganabu wrote: »

Thats a very good question, I think that the starting 15, injuries aside, will look something like ;

Mooney

Flynn Barry Cahill

Heffernan R Maher P Maher

B Maher D Mc Cormack

Bonner S Callinan N Mcgrath

Bubbles J Forde J McGrath

Personally I would have Barrett or Donagh Maher full back but dont see that happening this late in the year and while Barry has had a very poor league and was poor for most of last year he actually had a very good game against Galway last year, Mick Ryan obviously sees him as his number one full back and to be fair to Barry and a little like Joey Holden in 2016 the problems were coming from farther out the field and it was more a case of the last line being the one visually exposed.

I would also play Hogan in the goals but again Mick Ryan seems fairly set on Mooney, I appreciate that our half forward line were poor and have to take a huge portion of the blame but Mooney's puck outs were and are atrocious, when you consider a goalkepper will have on average between 30-35 puckouts a game its a massive part of a keepers artilary and Mooney is incredibly poor at it.

All and all the doom and gloom that has descended on Tipp folk in the last 48 hrs is completly OTT, we are imo in a better place than we were 12 months ago and the reality is that 12 months ago it took a wonder score from a gifted player to seperate the All Ireland champions and Tipp, Flynn, Barrett and Forde have unquestionably added to the strenght of the panel so as long as, and its a big caveat, Callinan and Bubbles return to 2016/17 form Tipp will be bang there again come August.

The Callinan and Bubbles situation will be interesting and probably key to how Tipperary's season pans out. There's a chance that similar to our own Richie Hogan their best years could be behind them though if both could get back to some level of fitness they still would be additions to their respective teams.

Bubbles looked to be close to a stone overweight on Sunday, as a Tipp friend of mine texted me during the second half "Bubbles looks like he is turning into a bubble ". Judging from his body shape he looks like a lad who needs to work hard on controlling his weight so the injury lay off he had was far from ideal. I also believe he's a complex character who needs kid glove handling.

Joe_ Public

babyjesus14 wrote: »

The Callinan and Bubbles situation will be interesting and probably key to how Tipperary's season pans out. There's a chance that similar to our own Richie Hogan their best years could be behind them though if both could get back to some level of fitness they still would be additions to their respective teams.

Bubbles looked to be close to a stone overweight on Sunday, as a Tipp friend of mine texted me during the second half "Bubbles looks like he is turning into a bubble ". Judging from his body shape he looks like a lad who needs to work hard on controlling his weight so the injury lay off he had was far from ideal. I also believe he's a complex character who needs kid glove handling.

Didn't Richie give up his full time job last year to concentrate on hurling? I think he'll have a lot left to offer if that's his level of determination and he gets backs to full fitness. Same for Seamie Callanan. As a Tipp man, I'd be hugely disappointed if he didnt' have at least 3 good years left in him. Was a bit more of a late developer than the likes of Richie Hogan too so that could stand to him in a small way.

As for Bubbles, if he isn't fit, he doesn't start. Simple as that.

babyjesus14

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Didn't Richie give up his full time job last year to concentrate on hurling? I think he'll have a lot left to offer if that's his level of determination and he gets backs to full fitness. Same for Seamie Callanan. As a Tipp man, I'd be hugely disappointed if he didnt' have at least 3 good years left in him. Was a bit more of a late developer than the likes of Richie Hogan too so that could stand to him in a small way.

As for Bubbles, if he isn't fit, he doesn't start. Simple as that.

The problem with Hogan and Callinan is that both of them have back issues which they have been trying to manage/recover from for the last year! Obviously if they can get them solved they could easily have another few years in them after all TJ is older than both of them and is in the form of his life.

Cornerback1

Sunday's game was a bit like 2016 All Ireland I thought but the opposite way. Tipp's full back was exposed and he's taking a bit of flax whereas it was lack of pressure/workrate out in the middle third was the problem.

Cornerback1

Sunday's game was a bit like 2016 All Ireland I thought but the opposite way. Tipp's full back was exposed and he's taking a bit of flax whereas it was lack of pressure/workrate out in the middle third was the problem.

Kkcitylover12

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Unfortunately it seems to be easier to get information out of North Korea than it is to get information out of the Kilkenny hurling camp. Though i did hear that Ollie Walsh was recently cut from the panel.

I heard that there is nearly a panel of 40 still involved training with that including Murphy and fennelly who are due back in the coming weeks.

Typical championship panel in counties 34/35, it will be interesting to see what sort of panel they keep with the 5 c/ship games in the space of 6 weeks

babyjesus14

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Sunday's game was a bit like 2016 All Ireland I thought but the opposite way. Tipp's full back was exposed and he's taking a bit of flax whereas it was lack of pressure/workrate out in the middle third was the problem.

I was in the upper tier of the Cusack stand at that match and my abiding memory of the second half it is the amount of space that was in our half of the pitch particularly between the half back line and the full back line. Because Tipperary got ahead they could dictate the terms of engagement and sit deep with their half forward line pulling our half backs further up the pitch than they wanted to be with the result that every time the Maher brothers caught a ball which they did on numerous occasions they had an ocean of green grass to hit it into and their inside forwards made hay!

Similarly on Sunday when we got ahead we could do the same. But obviously that ploy is only going to work if you can win the aerial duels and rucks in the middle third to supply the forwards which they did in that match and we did on Sunday.

danganabu

Cornerback1 wrote: »

Sunday's game was a bit like 2016 All Ireland I thought but the opposite way. Tipp's full back was exposed and he's taking a bit of flax whereas it was lack of pressure/workrate out in the middle third was the problem.

babyjesus14 wrote: »

I was in the upper tier of the Cusack stand at that match and my abiding memory of the second half it is the amount of space that was in our half of the pitch particularly between the half back line and the full back line. Because Tipperary got ahead they could dictate the terms of engagement and sit deep with their half forward line pulling our half backs further up the pitch than they wanted to be with the result that every time the Maher brothers caught a ball which they did on numerous occasions they had an ocean of green grass to hit it into and their inside forwards made hay!

Similarly on Sunday when we got ahead we could do the same. But obviously that ploy is only going to work if you can win the aerial duels and rucks in the middle third to supply the forwards which they did in that match and we did on Sunday.

Absolutely spot on, take last Sunday for example, Tipp in the second half only won 3 out of 17 of their own puckpouts in the second half which is a frightening statistic in any context, but when possession is being won by your opponent that easily and frequent then it doesnt matter who the full back is, he doesnt have a chance, you look at the best full backs in the history of the game and they all had one thing in common and that's a dominant half back line in front of them, Ronan Maher was being schooled by Reid, no shame in that at all, and as a result wasn't able to offer Barry any protection, no full back in the modern game can cope in that scenario.

HughCassidy

Joe_ Public wrote: »

Didn't Richie give up his full time job last year to concentrate on hurling? I think he'll have a lot left to offer if that's his level of determination and he gets backs to full fitness. Same for Seamie Callanan. As a Tipp man, I'd be hugely disappointed if he didnt' have at least 3 good years left in him. Was a bit more of a late developer than the likes of Richie Hogan too so that could stand to him in a small way.

As for Bubbles, if he isn't fit, he doesn't start. Simple as that.

I say it was part of it but I say the biggest reason he took time out of work was to start up his new business which seems to be going well.

Grats

HughCassidy wrote: »

I say it was part of it but I say the biggest reason he took time out of work was to start up his new business which seems to be going well.

And every good wish to Richie, a gentleman.

MfMan

babyjesus14 wrote: »

God imagine that a journalist able to back up his opinion with stats and results! Sack him quick, we need more spoofers and click bait attention seekers!

And where did he not credit Galway for last year's success? He ranked them as number one in this end of season rankings which you so much despise! And like myself he feels the jury is very much still out on this current Galway team, with the age profile of the team they will have to go on and win another All Ireland or two over the next few years if they want to be remembered as a great team rather than just a good team.

And yes he was very much in the Cunningham camp as were a number of the players. The campaign was very much driven by a group of senior players three of whom Tannion, Collins and Smith had axes to grind as he had dropped them that year. The key to that heave was getting senior player and club mate of Cunningham's David Burke on board which from my sources was touch and go and he did it reluctantly because he felt it was the only way to get the issue sorted otherwise it could've turned into a right mess!

Jeez, chill the beans a bit Martin.

To reply to a few of your points; who knows or says Galway want to be remembered as? Why is the jury out on them? They proved themselves last year as the best in the land with a treble of league, provincial and AI honours. Winning all or nothing this year won't change that.

The time of the heave, Breheny immediately sided with Cunningham against the players; he claimed that the players had never really achieved or proved anything, conveniently forgetting that Cunningham actually won very little as a Galway manager at various levels. To my knowledge, he didn't yet write a piece recanting this and proclaiming that the players were in the right after all. He spent a lot of last year writing, perhaps correctly, but quite begrudgingly one thought, that Galway hadn't yet achieved anything in 2017.

Different sources told me that a number of the players were pissed off with Cunningham; one younger member in particular was summarily dropped from the subs list on the eve of the AI final, having being there all year. Others were taken off not long after being brought on, without adequate chance to acquit themselves. Don't know if anyone outside the camp can actually claim for sure what went on then.

Who said I despise end of season rankings?

As a Galwayman, I don't particularly like or rate Breheny as a good sports journalist. As I said, too often he resorts to 'best-off' lists, rating new managers on results to date, county-by-county standings after the league has concluded, that kind of thing. You may or may not like Eamon Sweeney, for one example, be at least he tries to write insightful articles with a different slant or view point on things than the ordinary.

babyjesus14

MfMan wrote: »

Jeez, chill the beans a bit Martin.

To reply to a few of your points; who knows or says Galway want to be remembered as? Why is the jury out on them? They proved themselves last year as the best in the land with a treble of league, provincial and AI honours. Winning all or nothing this year won't change that.

The time of the heave, Breheny immediately sided with Cunningham against the players; he claimed that the players had never really achieved or proved anything, conveniently forgetting that Cunningham actually won very little as a Galway manager at various levels. To my knowledge, he didn't yet write a piece recanting this and proclaiming that the players were in the right after all. He spent a lot of last year writing, perhaps correctly, but quite begrudgingly one thought, that Galway hadn't yet achieved anything in 2017.

Different sources told me that a number of the players were pissed off with Cunningham; one younger member in particular was summarily dropped from the subs list on the eve of the AI final, having being there all year. Others were taken off not long after being brought on, without adequate chance to acquit themselves. Don't know if anyone outside the camp can actually claim for sure what went on then.

Who said I despise end of season rankings?

As a Galwayman, I don't particularly like or rate Breheny as a good sports journalist. As I said, too often he resorts to 'best-off' lists, rating new managers on results to date, county-by-county standings after the league has concluded, that kind of thing. You may or may not like Eamon Sweeney, for one example, be at least he tries to write insightful articles with a different slant or view point on things than the ordinary.

I genuinely don't see the harm of "best off" and rankings lists particularly in the off season when it's hard to fill copy!

How were the players "right "? Who's to say that Galway wouldn't have won the last two All Ireland's if Cunningham had still been in charge, we will never know!

Please do point out to me even one "insightful" point Sweeney made in either of the articles? The first was contradictory and attention seeking and the second was sycophantic ass licking, ideal click bait fodder!

HughCassidy

Where would you put ur man Tommy Drennan.

tbiggertycome

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Moosey15 wrote: »

Do you have any details on who was cut from panel short time ago ,who remains on periphery/training panel ?

Unfortunately it seems to be easier to get information out of North Korea than it is to get information out of the Kilkenny hurling camp. Though i did hear that Ollie Walsh was recently cut from the panel.

Yeah that rumour about Ollie was going around, I heard after the match though that all the guys that weren't in the match day 26 were sent back to their clubs early so that could be where that rumour comes from.

Village87

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Yeah that rumour about Ollie was going around, I heard after the match though that all the guys that weren't in the match day 26 were sent back to their clubs early so that could be where that rumour comes from.

Sure he may as well go if not gone already, has got loads of chances. Wont see him get anymore IMO

HughCassidy

What an answer to give about a player that things didn't happen for him behind every jersey there is a person.

Village87

HughCassidy wrote: »

What an answer to give about a player that things didn't happen for him behind every jersey there is a person.

Sure that's the cruel reality of Intercounty hurling. Oliie Walsh is part of a great club he can go straight back into a great set up there

Grats

HughCassidy wrote: »

What an answer to give about a player that things didn't happen for him behind every jersey there is a person.

I think that would be how any decent Kilkenny follower would see it. Remember, afterall, the players give it their all, voluntary.

brookville

Good to see Paul Murphy lining out for Danesfort this weekend but returning then to duty and won't be back till early may with colin.It also says hogan won't line out this weekend.

SteJer

danganabu wrote: »

Thats a very good question, I think that the starting 15, injuries aside, will look something like ;

Mooney

Flynn Barry Cahill

Heffernan R Maher P Maher

B Maher D Mc Cormack

Bonner S Callinan N Mcgrath

Bubbles J Forde J McGrath

1-7 is the same as played in the match on Sunday. They conceded 2-23 to a Kilkenny team without 3 of their ideal 6 starting forwards. Only two of the forwards from Sunday made the league team of the year with the other 4 having played a combined total of ZERO championship matches. If the media was to be believed Kilkenny are a one man team. What would happen Tipp with that back line when they play a team with more than one good forward???

Charlie69

SteJer wrote: »

1-7 is the same as played in the match on Sunday. They conceded 2-23 to a Kilkenny team without 3 of their ideal 6 starting forwards. Only two of the forwards from Sunday made the league team of the year with the other 4 having played a combined total of ZERO championship matches. If the media was to be believed Kilkenny are a one man team. What would happen Tipp with that back line when they play a team with more than one good forward???

Don't be getting too carried away my friend... championship a very different animal to the league.

Joe_ Public

Put Barrett in there instead of Heffernan and it's probably a better back 6 than 2016 imo. Ok, I know past glories and all that, but it's just 2 years and Tipp havent deteriorated that much in the meantime. Whether Barrett will get his starting place back is another matter in fairness...

greenspurs

Don't mind Tipp.

they have their own Thread

Justice for the individual

HughCassidy wrote: »

I say it was part of it but I say the biggest reason he took time out of work was to start up his new business which seems to be going well.

A lot of people forget that, to reach the top tier, all these hurlers sacrifice a lot of their family ,personal and work/business/college lives to achieve that aim, and it is only when they are near or in their 30's, and it is only at the end of their careers they can concentrate on this aspect of their lives.

Richie needs a little space now to do that and also to get over his back injury, which appears to be slow in responding to treatment.

There is no doubt though, that if Richie gets his back right, he will be back at the sport he loves.

Good luck to him with his career venture, he deserves success.

danganabu

SteJer wrote: »

1-7 is the same as played in the match on Sunday. They conceded 2-23 to a Kilkenny team without 3 of their ideal 6 starting forwards. Only two of the forwards from Sunday made the league team of the year with the other 4 having played a combined total of ZERO championship matches. If the media was to be believed Kilkenny are a one man team. What would happen Tipp with that back line when they play a team with more than one good forward???

We'll see in August when we play Galway I guess

Grats

We all expect Tipp to advance a long way in the championship, as would Michael Ryan and Tipp supporters. Would be worth remembering though, after the drawn Final in 2014 all the talk was about how well Tipp did and the huge score they put up. The manager clearly believed the hype too as he sent out the same 15 in the replay. Cody saw it different and changed things up. We all know what happened in that replay.

Just recently on a lesser scale, when we defeated Tipp in the League we had to hear about Ryan not bringing P Maher on. We were to believe that had he brought him on they'd have beaten KK. Well, P Maher was there for the entire match last Sunday.

Cornerback1

I see Paul Murphy may play this week-end and then head away again.

danganabu

Grats wrote: »

We all expect Tipp to advance a long way in the championship, as would Michael Ryan and Tipp supporters. Would be worth remembering though, after the drawn Final in 2014 all the talk was about how well Tipp did and the huge score they put up. The manager clearly believed the hype too as he sent out the same 15 in the replay. Cody saw it different and changed things up. We all know what happened in that replay.

Just recently on a lesser scale, when we defeated Tipp in the League we had to hear about Ryan not bringing P Maher on. We were to believe that had he brought him on they'd have beaten KK. Well, P Maher was there for the entire match last Sunday.

Michael Ryan wasnt manager in 2014, how do you know that Eamon O'Shea believed any supposed hype? Maybe he was simply confident that the 15 he picked the first day was the best 15 available??

The KK win was as a result of their ability to nulify Tipp and change the way they approached hte game ( obviously KK dont do tactics but you know) Tipp's biggest failing and it is something that still exists today is that they dont have a plan b when plan a isnt working, Plan A when it works is devestating as 2016 showed, Michael Ryan was actually the manager then FWIW, but when the opposition get it right Tipp have no fallback.

The claim that Tipp would have won the first league game if P Maher had have played, would you have a link to who in the Tipp camp made this claim, I must have missed it?

Grats

danganabu wrote: »

Michael Ryan wasnt manager in 2014, how do you know that Eamon O'Shea believed any supposed hype? Maybe he was simply confident that the 15 he picked the first day was the best 15 available??

The KK win was as a result of their ability to nulify Tipp and change the way they approached hte game ( obviously KK dont do tactics but you know) Tipp's biggest failing and it is something that still exists today is that they dont have a plan b when plan a isnt working, Plan A when it works is devestating as 2016 showed, Michael Ryan was actually the manager then FWIW, but when the opposition get it right Tipp have no fallback.

The claim that Tipp would have won the first league game if P Maher had have played, would you have a link to who in the Tipp camp made this claim, I must have missed it?

Spend less time on this forum and more on your own one , you might be better informed!

Grats

Cornerback1 wrote: »

I see Paul Murphy may play this week-end and then head away again.

Great that he's lining out, pity he's not back permanently though. Shows his commitment to his club.

SteJer

danganabu wrote: »

We'll see in August when we play Galway I guess

Getting to the All Ireland final is surely the absolute minimum expected of Ryan and the Tipp team. There are only two teams (Tipp & Galway) capable of winning the All Ireland (according to most people and the media). Therefore getting to the final wouldn't be a great achievement as it is expected. Win or bust for this Tipp team and management.

danganabu

SteJer wrote: »

Getting to the All Ireland final is surely the absolute minimum expected of Ryan and the Tipp team. There are only two teams (Tipp & Galway) capable of winning the All Ireland (according to most people and the media). Therefore getting to the final wouldn't be a great achievement as it is expected. Win or bust for this Tipp team and management.

The only person I recall saying Kilkenny would win nothing this year was your good self and then you followed it up with the pearler that Paddy Deegan was the major weak link in the Kilkenny team :D

I would say what you know about hurling could be written on the back of a stamp and you would still have room to sign it with your 'X'

Grats

danganabu wrote: »

The only person I recall saying Kilkenny would win nothing this year was your good self and then you followed it up with the pearler that Paddy Deegan was the major weak link in the Kilkenny team :D

I would say what you know about hurling could be written on the back of a stamp and you would still have room to sign it with your 'X'

Well you certainly cannot be trusted or believed. A few days ago I remember you saying you were finished with this forum.

danganabu

Grats wrote: »

Well you certainly cannot be trusted or believed. A few days ago I remember you saying you were finished with this forum.

Is it the memory or the reading that you have a problem with, because I said no such thing

For the record I merely offered my congrats and stated that I wasnt going to discuss the league final anymore with clear trolls.

Seeing that I asked you three seperate questions above and you refused to answer them and continue to make stuff up I can only assume you also fall into that category.

HughCassidy

I would like to compliment the ground staff for the immaculate condition the pitch was in last sunday hats off to everybody involved the park looked splendid.

danganabu

HughCassidy wrote: »

I would like to compliment the ground staff for the immaculate condition the pitch was in last sunday hats off to everybody involved the park looked splendid.

Walked across it at the end and it was indeed in excellent condition considering the weather we have had and there being two games played on it.

Grats

HughCassidy wrote: »

I would like to compliment the ground staff for the immaculate condition the pitch was in last sunday hats off to everybody involved the park looked splendid.

Absolutely. It certainly held up well despite the thousands of supporters rambling around after the presentation. Buckley spoke about the support and what it meant to the players. And TJ mentioned in an article today how thrilled they were with the celebrations on the pitch. All our family stayed at least 40 minutes there, chatting with the players and other KK supporters. The players gave so much of themselves during the match and were so generous with their time afterwards. Great lads and a great day.

SteJer

danganabu wrote: »

The only person I recall saying Kilkenny would win nothing this year was your good self and then you followed it up with the pearler that Paddy Deegan was the major weak link in the Kilkenny team :D

I would say what you know about hurling could be written on the back of a stamp and you would still have room to sign it with your 'X'

Absolutely thrilled to be proven wrong on both. Now that the league is over we are on to the serious business. Kilkenny haven't a hope of winning the All Ireland unfortunately. Galway & Tipp are clearly the two strongest teams. Kilkenny might get up to that level in the next 3-4 years. The All Ireland is a two horse race with 6-7 other teams fighting it out just to reach an All Ireland semi final. I would imagine unless Tipp win the All Ireland this year Ryan will have to go. They better win at least one All Ireland for their sake before the Kilkenny rebuilding is completed!!

greenspurs

Are we finished talking about Tipp yet ?
I thought it was THEY were obsessed with us, not the other way round !! FFS