Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

brookville

BORO BILL wrote: »

brookville wrote: »

So lads whats our thoughts and feelings towards sunday is there many heading up?i know a good few making a weekend out of it.
I think we'll give a good account of ourselves.I was suprised jason cleere wasnt given a run last sunday as there was talk he was going well.Galway havent done much yet this year but they have 6 very good fowards with size and pace that will cause most teams trouble.If we win sunday people will say we had momentum since the 2nd round of the leauge and if we lose it could be galway were fresher and injuries and fatigue caught up with us but probably better meeting galway now than later in the year either way we'll have a good idea sunday evening where we stand.
Hopefully wallys injury isnt serious and he was holding him back for sunday

Heard Wally out for a few weeks with quad injury and Ger Aylward damaged his knee in workout against u21s last night. That narrows down forward options.

I was reading on the independent today hogan could be in line to make the match day squad after coming through the match against the 21s without any setbacks

savannahkat

We now have TJ Reid, Walter Walsh , John Donnelly, Ger Alyward, Luke Scanlan, Bill Sheehan, Ritchie leahy, Ritchie Hogan, Ger Fennelly Mossy Keoghan, Liam Blanchfield   and the younger Murphy  13 players vying for 6  starting places. Personally I would start  Reid, Walsh Keoghan Scanlan  Blanchfield Donnelly.

minty81

savannahkat wrote: »

We now have TJ Reid, Walter Walsh , John Donnelly, Ger Alyward, Luke Scanlan, Bill Sheehan, Ritchie leahy, Ritchie Hogan, Ger Fennelly Mossy Keoghan, Liam Blanchfield   and the younger Murphy  13 players vying for 6  starting places. Personally I would start  Reid, Walsh Keoghan Scanlan  Blanchfield Donnelly.

To be fair Ger Fennelly must be well in his 60's now so I'd agree with leaving him on the line as an impact sub!

Justice for the individual

minty81 wrote: »

To be fair Ger Fennelly must be well in his 60's now so I'd agree with leaving him on the line as an impact sub!

I think he meant to refer to Colin.

Kevin Kelly another guy to come back in.

tbiggertycome

Injury reports:
Enda Morrissey has Glandular fever so he's gone for a month or two at least.
Wally is unlikely to be ready for the team this weekend. Hopefully this is wrong
Lester Ryan is like Wally unlikely to make it but perhaps just a slightly better chance than Wally.
Ger Aylward unlikely to be ready after injury picked up on Monday against the U21's
Kevin Kelly not ready yet but not too far off
Conor Fogarty should be ready
James Maher should be ready hopefully
Richie Hogan will hopefully be ready for a place on the bench.

I think that will leave us with a team like
Murphy
Holden, Walsh, Deegan
Delaney, Buckley, Murphy
Fogarty, Maher
Fennelly, Reid, Keoghan
Donnelly, Blanchfield, Scanlon

Subs
Brennan
J Cleere
C O'Shea
R Lennon
C Browne
R Leahy
R Hogan
B Sheehan
P Lyng

That leaves us 2 subs short and there are loads you could throw in to those spots.
Jason Cleere continued to impress in training against the U21's I wouldn't be shocked if he started. I would expect him to be the first defender in.

dubcat51

Lads cant make sunday but have an adult and juvenile season ticket if anyone wants to use.pm me and I will give u my number.

brookville

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Injury reports:
Enda Morrissey has Glandular fever so he's gone for a month or two at least.
Wally is unlikely to be ready for the team this weekend. Hopefully this is wrong
Lester Ryan is like Wally unlikely to make it but perhaps just a slightly better chance than Wally.
Ger Aylward unlikely to be ready after injury picked up on Monday against the U21's
Kevin Kelly not ready yet but not too far off
Conor Fogarty should be ready
James Maher should be ready hopefully
Richie Hogan will hopefully be ready for a place on the bench.

I think that will leave us with a team like
Murphy
Holden, Walsh, Deegan
Delaney, Buckley, Murphy
Fogarty, Maher
Fennelly, Reid, Keoghan
Donnelly, Blanchfield, Scanlon

Subs
Brennan
J Cleere
C O'Shea
R Lennon
C Browne
R Leahy
R Hogan
B Sheehan
P Lyng

That leaves us 2 subs short and there are loads you could throw in to those spots.
Jason Cleere continued to impress in training against the U21's I wouldn't be shocked if he started. I would expect him to be the first defender in.

Whats the story with richie reid is he injured?Itd be great to see kevin kelly back soon.joe lyng should be back in training aswell.

oconnol1

Kil v Gal E Murphy E Morrissey P Walsh P Deegan C Delaney C Buckley P Murphy C Fogarty J Maher M Keoghan TJ ReidL Blanchfield J Donnelly W Walsh L Scanlon Subs D Brennan J HoldenC O Shea R Lennon C Browne L Ryan C Fennelly P Lyng R Leahy R Hogan B Sheehan.

dzer2

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Injury reports:
Enda Morrissey has Glandular fever so he's gone for a month or two at least.
Wally is unlikely to be ready for the team this weekend. Hopefully this is wrong
Lester Ryan is like Wally unlikely to make it but perhaps just a slightly better chance than Wally.
Ger Aylward unlikely to be ready after injury picked up on Monday against the U21's
Kevin Kelly not ready yet but not too far off
Conor Fogarty should be ready
James Maher should be ready hopefully
Richie Hogan will hopefully be ready for a place on the bench.

I think that will leave us with a team like
Murphy
Holden, Walsh, Deegan
Delaney, Buckley, Murphy
Fogarty, Maher
Fennelly, Reid, Keoghan
Donnelly, Blanchfield, Scanlon

Subs
Brennan
J Cleere
C O'Shea
R Lennon
C Browne
R Leahy
R Hogan
B Sheehan
P Lyng

That leaves us 2 subs short and there are loads you could throw in to those spots.
Jason Cleere continued to impress in training against the U21's I wouldn't be shocked if he started. I would expect him to be the first defender in.

Some load of b****x this post

Comerman

Don't be a nasty git.

JJs Left Hand

Disappointed Leahy is dropped. Hope we're not playing lads who aren't properly fit

usualstripes

JJs Left Hand wrote: »

Disappointed Leahy is dropped. Hope we're not playing lads who aren't properly fit

I'm not surprised Morrissey is in ahead of Joey but I am surprised Leahy doesnt start. Wally is ok afaik but from what thebiggertheycome says o hope Morrissey is ok too.
Maybe cody sees it that bringing in Leahy, fennelly and possibly hogan m8ght make an impact. In fairness after last week Scanlon deserves another pop and blanch although he should have had a few more goals he hurled very well and his 1st touch was good.

peakedatU12

Strong team - really strong bench (if subs are all fully fit & on form). As tough a test as is out there Sunday. Will be some statement if they can pull it off.

tbiggertycome

dzer2 wrote: »

Some load of b****x this post

Thanks very much.

I'd heard the Enda Morrissey bit from a lad who is usually spot on we can all get things wrong. It's great he's ready
The rest was not far off, Wally was touch and go and thankfully he made it.
Lester is on the bench
Ger Aylward is gone
Kevin Kelly not ready
Fogarty ready
Maher ready
Hogan on the bench

Murphy
Morrissey, Walsh, Deegan
Delaney, Buckley, Murphy
Fogarty, Maher
Fennelly, Reid, Keoghan
Donnelly, Blanchfield, Scanlon
Not too far off but I'm not Cody so it's never going to be 100%

brookville

Infairness your usually spot on with news from the camp and its usually hard to get any info.i was told during the week that wally and maher would be playing but i wouldnt be shocked to hear leahy starting for maher before throw in.Best of luck to the lads we have nice strenght on the bench.I think morrissey is worth a try corner back but some baptism going in on conor whelan.Its maybe a pity we didnt try more corner backs during the league.
Its a big ask sunday this galway team is together 3 or 4 years but id be hopeful we'll give them a rattle.

Realt Dearg Sec

dzer2 wrote: »

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Injury reports:
Enda Morrissey has Glandular fever so he's gone for a month or two at least.
Wally is unlikely to be ready for the team this weekend. Hopefully this is wrong
Lester Ryan is like Wally unlikely to make it but perhaps just a slightly better chance than Wally.
Ger Aylward unlikely to be ready after injury picked up on Monday against the U21's
Kevin Kelly not ready yet but not too far off
Conor Fogarty should be ready
James Maher should be ready hopefully
Richie Hogan will hopefully be ready for a place on the bench.

I think that will leave us with a team like
Murphy
Holden, Walsh, Deegan
Delaney, Buckley, Murphy
Fogarty, Maher
Fennelly, Reid, Keoghan
Donnelly, Blanchfield, Scanlon

Subs
Brennan
J Cleere
C O'Shea
R Lennon
C Browne
R Leahy
R Hogan
B Sheehan
P Lyng

That leaves us 2 subs short and there are loads you could throw in to those spots.
Jason Cleere continued to impress in training against the U21's I wouldn't be shocked if he started. I would expect him to be the first defender in.

Some load of b****x this post

Will you ever fcuk off?

Pat Treacy

The best of luck to the team management in Salthill I know ye will do us proud.

mullinr2

If our full back line can hold their own, then I give us a good chance tomorrow. With hogan and Fennelly to come on, we should give the Galway backs plenty to worry about.
Still think Galway will win by about 5 points

Cornerback1

Galway couldn't buy a goal last year but are banging them in for fun this year. If we can keep the goals out, we're in with a decent chance. Need to keep it tight at the back especially in the first half.

Big game but good luck to all concerned.

usualstripes

I would expect fennelly and Leahy to be in early enough. It all depends if Walter gets the nod to start. Blanch and Scanlon deserve to start after last week even if blanch should have scored at least two more goals. His open play was very good.

Powerhouse

danganabu wrote: »

I bet with my head not my heart, try it And yes I am a loyal supporter and was there yesterday and was there at the final whistle and will be there again the next time we go down for out inevitable beating. Days like yesterday are hard to stomach but its what make the victories all the sweeter. And I saw enough positives over the league campaign to suggest we are in a stronger position this year than where we were last year.

As an aside I am intrigued by your reasoning for downgrading Tipp to 4th/5th team in Munster, on your own admission (incorrectly but how and ever) they had a depleted team out with only one of their starting forwards and you were fully expectant that KK would win comfortably so on what basis are you reassessing their ranking in Munster and what exactly have any of the other 4 done to overtake them??[/QUOTE]


You were "intrigued" by my downgrading of Tipperary (a few months ago) to not being in the top 3 in Munster and any explanation I offered was rubbished by you. I hope that your intrigue is now satisfied.

Realt Dearg Sec

Powerhouse wrote: »

danganabu wrote: »

I bet with my head not my heart, try it And yes I am a loyal supporter and was there yesterday and was there at the final whistle and will be there again the next time we go down for out inevitable beating. Days like yesterday are hard to stomach but its what make the victories all the sweeter. And I saw enough positives over the league campaign to suggest we are in a stronger position this year than where we were last year.

As an aside I am intrigued by your reasoning for downgrading Tipp to 4th/5th team in Munster, on your own admission (incorrectly but how and ever) they had a depleted team out with only one of their starting forwards and you were fully expectant that KK would win comfortably so on what basis are you reassessing their ranking in Munster and what exactly have any of the other 4 done to overtake them??[/QUOTE]


You were "intrigued" by my downgrading of Tipperary (a few months ago) to not being in the top 3 in Munster and any explanation I offered was rubbished by you. I hope that your intrigue is now satisfied.

Great supporter, on a kk thread during a match to gloat that his own team is ****.

usualstripes

Jaysus our half forward line were cleaned in the 1st half. Backs under serious pressure from long puckouts and galway uning the wide ball. Hopefully we start getting more possession in the 2nd half. Fennelly in in place of Donnelly who was quiet. Scanlon doing well but we need to up intensity

mullinr2

We are poor again lads

mullinr2

We're dreadful from open play

Garyp88

As much as we have been poor aiden harte should have been red carded and so should mcinerney. Also why was Walshs goal disallowed. We made Galway look good

The White Feather

Garyp88 wrote: »

As much as we have been poor aiden harte should have been red carded and so should mcinerney. Also why was Walshs goal disallowed. We made Galway look good

He dropped the hurley on the handpass

mullinr2

I'd put us behind
1. Galway
2. Tipp
3. Limerick
4. Cork
5. Clare
6. Wexford

Just desperate stuff from open play. You can't win matches with frees. Shocking and gutless
performance.
1 score from play in second half

me89

Forwards bar Wally were bullied out of it. Very poor all round

kksaints

Reality check there. Forwards were awful from open play only Wally did well enough. Padraig Walsh exposed again at centre back. Wexford match is crucial now.

Amprodude

Kilkenny won't be winning All Ireland's anytime soon. Taken to the cleaners by Galway today. You can agree or disagree with me but Galway showed Kilkenny up for such an average team that they are at present. End of an era for Cody. Should have walked earlier in the season. The game has changed.

The White Feather

Can't believe KK only had 2 points from play. That seems so weird

C__MC

Kilkenny young guns physically not ready for championship hurling. The smash and grab over Dublin papered over the cracks. I think Wexford will beat Kilkenny

Amprodude

C__MC wrote: »

Kilkenny young guns physically not ready for championship hurling. The smash and grab over Dublin papered over the cracks. I think Wexford will beat Kilkenny

I think Wexford will beat Kilkenny and well too.

usualstripes

mullinr2 wrote: »

I'd put us behind
1. Galway
2. Tipp
3. Limerick
4. Cork
5. Clare
6. Wexford

Just desperate stuff from open play. You can't win matches with frees. Shocking and gutless
performance.
1 score from play in second half

I don't ever like calling kilkenny teams gutless but I have to say that was a very poor performance.
Number 1 we were physically bullied out of the game in our half forward line and midfield and we were like boys up against men.
Number 2 the big difference on the scoreboard was that galways forwards were out to the ball 1st, turned their men and popped over the bar. We couldn't get out fast enough and even when we did we got swamped. We got exposed in our backs but they didn't because we were poor in our pick ups and support play.
A lot of work to do but they have 2 weeks to use this defeat to work a better performance.

Murphy. Decent and couldn't do anything for the penalty.
Morrissey. Started well but found it tough. Joey did reasonably well when moved in.
Padraig Walsh. Tough outing getting caught with the high ball a few times but did alright.
Deegan. Out 2nd to the ball a lot but fought hard.
Delaney, Buckley, murphy under a lot of pressure but coped ok.
Maher and fogarty on a lot of ball but got overran with galways support players.
Mossy. Chance of early goal but not fast enough to strike. A tough outing for him.
Tj apart from placed balls poor.
Blanchfield struggled under pressure.
Donnelly also found it very tough with galways physicality.
Walter the best forward we had.
Scanlon worth his place and looked dangerous but also found the going tough.
Fennelly made no impact on arrival. Should have scored a point on at the start of 2nd half.
Bill Sheehan very light up against galways backs. Don't know if he dripped the hurl intentionally.

All in all a serious amount of work to do to beat wexford but I think they will step it up.
Even with a win v wexford we could still find ourselves in the preliminary quarter final but I'm open to correction on that.

savannahkat

Rubbish Galway were only 4 points ahead of Kilkenny with 10 minutes to go and any one who says Scanlan did not have a very good game was watching another match. This was a learning curve for Morrissey, Delaney, Scanlan Donnelly and Keoghan who will learn a lot from this. As for only1-2 from play well someone had to be fouled for the another 1-12 meaning they had to have possession..

Amprodude

savannahkat wrote: »

Rubbish Galway were only 4 points ahead of Kilkenny with 10 minutes to go and any one who says Scanlan did not have a very good game was watching another match. This was a learning curve for Morrissey, Delaney, Scanlan Donnelly and Keoghan who will learn a lot from this. As for only1-2 from play well someone had to be fouled for the another 1-12 meaning they had to have possession..

Still Galway were 6 points a better team than Kilkenny throughout the game today. Kilkenny were out played and second to Galway in everything today. Usually this is never the case with Kilkenny. I dont see this Kilkenny team winning an all Ireland. They have done it before in similar situations but there too many good teams around at the moment that are better than Kilkenny right now.

savannahkat

And was home advantage not worth that 

Amprodude wrote: »

savannahkat wrote: »

Rubbish Galway were only 4 points ahead of Kilkenny with 10 minutes to go and any one who says Scanlan did not have a very good game was watching another match. This was a learning curve for Morrissey, Delaney, Scanlan Donnelly and Keoghan who will learn a lot from this. As for only1-2 from play well someone had to be fouled for the another 1-12 meaning they had to have possession..

Still Galway were 6 points a better team than Kilkenny throughout the game today. Kilkenny were out played and second to Galway in everything today. Usually this is never the case with Kilkenny. I dont see this Kilkenny team winning an all Ireland. They have done it before in similar situations but there too many good teams around at the moment that are better than Kilkenny right now.

And was home advantage not worth at least the same 6 points and in addition was a very strong breeze helping Galway in the first half that died down in the 2nd not help them as well.

Amprodude

savannahkat wrote: »

And was home advantage not worth that 

And was home advantage not worth at least the same 6 points and in addition was a very strong breeze helping Galway in the first half that died down in the 2nd not help them as well.

Less of the excuses. If Kilkenny were good enough they beat Galway anywhere in any venue. Strong breeze no breeze. It was a game of 2 halfs and Kilkenny were blitzed by the All Ireland champions.

bamayang

Amprodude wrote: »

Kilkenny won't be winning All Ireland's anytime soon. Taken to the cleaners by Galway today. You can agree or disagree with me but Galway showed Kilkenny up for such an average team that they are at present. End of an era for Cody. Should have walked earlier in the season. The game has changed.

Fantastic over reaction nonsense

Topcat32

Amprodude wrote: »

I think Wexford will beat Kilkenny and well too.

I don't think Wexford are as strong down the middle of their defence as Galway are, we will be doing well to win it based on today but still think its possible.

dastardly00

usualstripes wrote: »

Even with a win v wexford we could still find ourselves in the preliminary quarter final but I'm open to correction on that.

Depends on other results.
If Wexford beat Galway, and Galway beat Dublin and we beat Wexford, we'll more than likely be in the preliminary quarter-final because of inferior points difference.

Nickindublin

This is a learning curve. We were never winning an all Ireland this year. Physically Galway are miles ahead. The pitch was awful. Better lose now and learn. Remember different venues ahead

Amprodude

Topcat32 wrote: »

I don't think Wexford are as strong down the middle of their defence as Galway are, we will be doing well to win it based on today but still think its possible.

Very possible.

Cornerback1

I think we were punching above our weight in terms of league win so we are are back in the pack again.


This year is all about development for me. Winning the league was a bonus. Lads can't wait for a poor performance to come on here 5mins after the game and cast all sorts on the team and individual players. Galway are the All Ireland champions and were at home. They are a mature team in terms of their physical development. We had a bad day at the office in terms of our general playing and score taking. Sometimes it just doesn't work out on the day - even Tommy Walsh and JJ had bad games. That's sport!

We'll have 2 weeks to regroup and take on Wexford. It should be a big game and we'll see what happens after that.

Topcat32

Amprodude wrote: »

Very possible.

That's the spirit

castletownman

Very possible? Home advantage will be big but Wexford's defence at present are a lot more settled than Kilkenny's. Rushe largely destroyed KK in round one but was a lot more subdued when Ryan was marking him last weekend. Ryan has the physicality too to keep Wally under wraps (who has been ye're biggest threat by a distance).

Never has a league final win, that 90% of the time is forgotten at the end of the year, papered over so much cracks in a team. I know sport is generally cyclical, and it's impossible to continue churning out ready-made stars year on year, but the current Kilkenny team are lacking true leadership. In hindsight, a smash and grab victory vs Dublin masks the problems there.

BoroMan32

It was a hiding, and Galway were at about 75% which is even more worrying. Pitch was atrocious but don't think that matters when it comes to Kilkenny's 'style' of play, which is dreadfully dull.

Topcat32

castletownman wrote: »

Very possible? Home advantage will be big but Wexford's defence at present are a lot more settled than Kilkenny's. Rushe largely destroyed KK in round one but was a lot more subdued when Ryan was marking him last weekend. Ryan has the physicality too to keep Wally under wraps (who has been ye're biggest threat by a distance).

Never has a league final win, that 90% of the time is forgotten at the end of the year, papered over so much cracks in a team. I know sport is generally cyclical, and it's impossible to continue churning out ready-made stars year on year, but the current Kilkenny team are lacking true leadership. In hindsight, a smash and grab victory vs Dublin masks the problems there.

Masked problems to who exactly, we had 7 debutants against Dublin, this season is about blooding players and building a panel for the next few years, I don't know anybody in Kilkenny who thought we would be winning an all Ireland this year, Wexford will be confident coming up to Nowlan Park but in my opinion Galway are a better team than Wexford and this Kilkenny team can beat them.

Pat Treacy

castletownman wrote: »

Very possible? Home advantage will be big but Wexford's defence at present are a lot more settled than Kilkenny's. Rushe largely destroyed KK in round one but was a lot more subdued when Ryan was marking him last weekend. Ryan has the physicality too to keep Wally under wraps (who has been ye're biggest threat by a distance).

Never has a league final win, that 90% of the time is forgotten at the end of the year, papered over so much cracks in a team. I know sport is generally cyclical, and it's impossible to continue churning out ready-made stars year on year, but the current Kilkenny team are lacking true leadership. In hindsight, a smash and grab victory vs Dublin masks the problems there.

When did ye last win a major trophy.