Kilkenny GAA Thread Part 2 **MOD NOTE POST 1***

barneygumble99

Well done to Bennettsbridge also. Quite a remarkable feat for them.

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barneygumble99 wrote: »

Well done to Bennettsbridge also. Quite a remarkable feat for them.

Yeah was able to watch these games online, impressive from the bridge in particular to have remained undefeated in so long. Good first half of that match but got a bit cagey in the second

unrealtime

Irishtv was good production but bias on part of one of the commentators was a pain in the ass.

dastardly00

Fantastic day for KK hurling!!

babyjesus14

Very impressed with Jason Cleere so composed in possession for a 19 year old. I would imagine BC will have him on board with the Seniors sooner rather than later!

tbiggertycome

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Very impressed with Jason Cleere so composed in possession for a 19 year old. I would imagine BC will have him on board with the Seniors sooner rather than later!

J Cleere, Blanchfield, S Morrisey, R Lennon and AN Other who I can't remember are all in the panel now their done with the club.

blackcard

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Very impressed with Jason Cleere so composed in possession for a 19 year old. I would imagine BC will have him on board with the Seniors sooner rather than later!

He looks like an extremely skilful hurler and delivers great ball into forwards. The test for him and the other Bridge lads will be the amount of time they get on the ball at senior level. That and the amount of hurling they have done in the last two years. A fifth all ireland at 19 is some going

KKCATDownUnder

Well done to the Bridge and to Glenmore , fantastic wins . Ye guys were saying you watched it online , is it still available to watch anywhere on line guys ?

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KKCATDownUnder wrote: »

Well done to the Bridge and to Glenmore , fantastic wins . Ye guys were saying you watched it online , is it still available to watch anywhere on line guys ?

It was steamed live on Irish TV, I just googled them and the site came up. Dunno if they archive or not but I would assume they do

dastardly00

Paul Collins from Today FM played a small snippet of an interview with Walter Walsh on The Ian Dempsey Breakfast Show this morning. Wally was talking about how there are places up for grabs on the team/panel because Richie Power has retired. He also mentioned that Matthew Ruth has retired as well. Has Ruth retired because of injury? I know he had at least one big operation on his hip.

babyjesus14

tbiggertycome wrote: »

J Cleere, Blanchfield, S Morrisey, R Lennon and AN Other who I can't remember are all in the panel now their done with the club.

The first 3 named there are only 19 and have done an incredible amount of hurling with Kierans, the 'bridge and the county underage over the last two years pretty much without a break, is it not a year or 2 too early to be subjecting them to Senior inter-county training?

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dastardly00 wrote: »

Paul Collins from Today FM played a small snippet of an interview with Walter Walsh on The Ian Dempsey Breakfast Show this morning. Wally was talking about how there are places up for grabs on the team/panel because Richie Power has retired. He also mentioned that Matthew Ruth has retired as well. Has Ruth retired because of injury? I know he had at least one big operation on his hip.

He must have seen that the writing was on the wall as well though. Had a huge number of chances to make the team, had great work rate but just wasn't up to the standard needed.

Very unlucky to have had that winning point against Waterford disallowed a few years ago when the ref blew the final whistle when the shot was in mid air. Would have been cool to be able to say you got the last second score to win it, but the ref wanted his extra time...

unrealtime

Blanchfield is young but I think that he is a real gem. I would like to see him get a few matches in the league as a sub.

brookville

Although blanchfield is very young i think he has a good bit to go i wouldn't be rushing him into the senior set up.What kind of team would people like to see sunday? Personally I'd like to see some fresh faces because I think we need to unearth two or three players that can push for a starting spot

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

Although blanchfield is very young i think he has a good bit to go i wouldn't be rushing him into the senior set up.What kind of team would people like to see sunday? Personally I'd like to see some fresh faces because I think we need to unearth two or three players that can push for a starting spot

Yeah, i'd want to see a few changes and i think there has to be considering all the changeover in personnel this past few years.

I look at league as a good opportunity to blood new players and see what they are like.

I want to see Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger get a good run this season..if they grabs it is another thing!

Bulldog 12

Anyone with teams they would like to see out Sunday.
Any injuries?
Will E.Murphy play also?

brookville

james maher is going very well for ucd.kevin kelly and john power have being poor for their respective teams.id imagine glenmore and bbridge get the week off.john joe farrell walter walsh will probably start up front and maybe malone from mullinavat, brian kennedy, lester, mark kelly will all be in the picture . hopefully some fresh talent will be unearthed

tbiggertycome

babyjesus14 wrote: »

The first 3 named there are only 19 and have done an incredible amount of hurling with Kierans, the 'bridge and the county underage over the last two years pretty much without a break, is it not a year or 2 too early to be subjecting them to Senior inter-county training?

Well I didn't call them into the panel it was Mr Cody, I would assume none of them will see any game time unless they hurl out of their skin's.They will get to train with the seniors and play U21 which will bring them on and they may get a shot in the next few years if their hurling is up to the standard.

babyjesus14

tbiggertycome wrote: »

Well I didn't call them into the panel it was Mr Cody, I would assume none of them will see any game time unless they hurl out of their skin's.They will get to train with the seniors and play U21 which will bring them on and they may get a shot in the next few years if their hurling is up to the standard.

Did i say you called them into the panel? This is a discussion forum, i put the question out there for general discussion!!

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babyjesus14 wrote: »

Did i say you called them into the panel? This is a discussion forum, i put the question out there for general discussion!!

I would have thought the baby jesus would be a bit more relaxed. I think his point was it sounded like you were criticising tbiggertycome for suggesting they be brought in. That was my impression as well tbh. But no worries.

As it happens I think you might be right. With all the talk of burnout etc there would be a risk of them over-training at the exact time that people all over the country are complaining that it is lads their age that show promise that end up playing on and training with way too many teams. Especially if the seniors are being flayed in training at the moment, it could be a problem. In the medium term though I would imagine the training will bring them on hugely, I doubt there's plans to use any of them this year, probably not even next year. So it's hard to know really.

tbiggertycome

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Did i say you called them into the panel? This is a discussion forum, i put the question out there for general discussion!!

You did not

tbiggertycome

babyjesus14 wrote: »

Did i say you called them into the panel? This is a discussion forum, i put the question out there for general discussion!!

Just to clarify I contribute to this thread because I think some of the stuff I hear about the team is interesting. I don't try and take the piss out of people or belittle them you can read through my old posts if you need proof. I wasn't having a go at you. I was merely telling you that it wasn't my opinion that they're being called in, but a fact from a first hand source.

pmy.murphy

how are we expecting the team to line out sunday

blackcard

pmy.murphy wrote: »

how are we expecting the team to line out sunday

I don't know who is fit but will guess the following team.
Richie Reid
Paul Murphy
Joey Holden
Shane Prendergast
Padraig Walsh
Kieran Joyce
Conor Fogarty
Lester Ryan
Walter Walsh
Richie Hogan
TJ Reid
Kevin Kelly
Colin Fennelly
Chris Bolger

10 Carrolls

G'wan, tell us the last one as well.

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blackcard wrote: »

I don't know who is fit but will guess the following team.
Richie Reid
Paul Murphy
Joey Holden
Shane Prendergast
Padraig Walsh
Kieran Joyce
Conor Fogarty
Lester Ryan
Walter Walsh
Richie Hogan
TJ Reid
Kevin Kelly
Colin Fennelly
Chris Bolger

Only playing two half backs. That's serious confidence.

Just kidding, I dunno what the team will be like, not familiar with the young players right now. But that team looks seriously strong. Not saying you're wrong though, it's important to start very strong in the league nowadays or you can wind up in a relegation battle so fast your head would spin.

tbiggertycome

blackcard wrote: »

I don't know who is fit but will guess the following team.
Richie Reid
Paul Murphy
Joey Holden
Shane Prendergast
Padraig Walsh
Kieran Joyce
Conor Fogarty
Lester Ryan
Walter Walsh
Richie Hogan
TJ Reid
Kevin Kelly
Colin Fennelly
Chris Bolger

Likewise don't know who's fit or injured other than Joe Lyng and Get Aylward.

Richie Reid (give Murphy a rest)
Paul Murphy, Joey Holden, Jackie Tyrrell
Padraig Walsh, Cillian Buckley, Brian Kennedy
Conor Fogarty, Lester Ryan
Walter Walsh, Richie Hogan, TJ Reid
Kevin Kelly, Colin Fennelly, Chris Bolger
Subs
JJ Farrell
Mark Kelly
John Power
Michael Fennelly
Brian Kennedy
Conor O'Shea
Kieran Joyce
Shane Prendergast
Michael Malone

Something like this is what I would have but I ain't no Brian Cody

brookville

I'd expect a strong team to be named.Michael fennelly and joe lyng are injured other than that everyone will be mad to get going.its all about blooding players with the more experienced lads.id like to see 3 or 4 newcomers sunday.its impossible to guess the team but something like richie reid in goal,evan coady,joey, pender, walsh, joyce, kennedy, fogarty, lester,walter, richie, james maher, kevin kelly, john joe, bolger

blackcard

10 Carrolls wrote: »

G'wan, tell us the last one as well.

Cillian Buckley. I wouldn't mind seeing James Maher getting a run in the forwards either

robwen

I`d imagine Mick Rice will be involved

droppingball

I would think Cody will go with a very strong team, think Shane Pender might start as he is captain and I would imagine the likes of Jonjo Farrell and Mark Kelly are ahead of Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger in Codys mind at least. Hopefully he does a bit of experimenting with new faces anyway, assume the team will be announced tonight

tbiggertycome

Kil. v Wat.
E Murphy
P Murphy J Holden S Prendergast
P Walsh K Joyce D Cody
C Buckley C Fogarty
W Walsh R Hogan TJ Reid
JJ Farrell C Fennelly M Kelly
Subs
R Reid
J Tyrrell
B Kennedy
C oShea
R Lennon
L Ryan
M Malone
C Martin
J Maher
K Kelly
J Power

catseye2

droppingball wrote: »

I would think Cody will go with a very strong team, think Shane Pender might start as he is captain and I would imagine the likes of Jonjo Farrell and Mark Kelly are ahead of Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger in Codys mind at least. Hopefully he does a bit of experimenting with new faces anyway, assume the team will be announced tonight

That's pretty accurate prediction. Starting strong. Hoping to get points on the board and maybe some new blood in later

kk1970

Think young Cody is serving a different apprenticeship then all the other young lads in there. Surely brian kennedy is more experienced for a place in the half back line

pmy.murphy

I think Jonjo Farrell and Mark Kelly are pretty pointless starters. Previous seasons have shown that neither will be fixtures come the Championship. Surely its time to give other people a chance to try and prove themselves at this level lke Kevin Kelly, Bolger, even Conor Martin

blackcard

pmy.murphy wrote: »

I think Jonjo Farrell and Mark Kelly are pretty pointless starters. Previous seasons have shown that neither will be fixtures come the Championship. Surely its time to give other people a chance to try and prove themselves at this level lke Kevin Kelly, Bolger, even Conor Martin

Kevin Kelly doesn't seem to have done very well in the Fitzgibbon. I would say that Cody is picking players that he considers are the form players at this moment in time

pmy.murphy

blackcard wrote: »

Kevin Kelly doesn't seem to have done very well in the Fitzgibbon. I would say that Cody is picking players that he considers are the form players at this moment in time

Yeh but Codys not going to use them come the summer I can almost guarantee that. Farrell is the same every year, plays a few games early on and then isnt seen for the rest of the season so is Mark Kelly.

My point is its time for someone new to get a chance when the last few seasons have shown that these lads are never going to be options at the business end of the season. Sure look if Kevin Kelly screws up then fine but were never really going to know for sure unless these other lads are given a chance. No point in having them there otherwise

blackcard

pmy.murphy wrote: »

Yeh but Codys not going to use them come the summer I can almost guarantee that. Farrell is the same every year, plays a few games early on and then isnt seen for the rest of the season so is Mark Kelly.

My point is its time for someone new to get a chance when the last few seasons have shown that these lads are never going to be options at the business end of the season. Sure look if Kevin Kelly screws up then fine but were never really going to know for sure unless these other lads are given a chance. No point in having them there otherwise

On the one hand, I agree with you in that Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger have more potential. On the other hand, if they are being picked on reputation, it is sending out the message to all other players that what you do in training isn't important. I am sure that the likes of Tj Reid and Richie Hogan were frustrated down the years at not being first choice. Thankfully, both of these worked on ways to improve themselves, to learn how to win their own ball and to tackle more effectively. I think this is what separated KK from the chasing pack since 2010. Hopefully in a few years time we will be extolling the virtues of the all round games of Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger.

kk1970

blackcard wrote: »

On the one hand, I agree with you in that Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger have more potential. On the other hand, if they are being picked on reputation, it is sending out the message to all other players that what you do in training isn't important. I am sure that the likes of Tj Reid and Richie Hogan were frustrated down the years at not being first choice. Thankfully, both of these worked on ways to improve themselves, to learn how to win their own ball and to tackle more effectively. I think this is what separated KK from the chasing pack since 2010. Hopefully in a few years time we will be extolling the virtues of the all round games of Kevin Kelly and Chris Bolger.

Hopefully we will , BUT! At the moment it's not being based on training because they are not playing matches, they are doing mostly physical work. Young Cody is getting unfair chances, Lester Ryan and Brian kennedy to mention just two are at nothing! Never going to make starting 15 in a proper match, putting their lives on hold to play maybe 2 matches a year. What a waste of time. Training like that just to make up numbers in training.

droppingball

Kevin Kelly will need to seriously up his workrate to be in the running to start on Codys team, lovely hurler but hust doesnt mix it enough for Cody in my opinion, havent seen enough of bolger as of yet. Brian kennedy needs something to happen for him this year, saw him for club last year and you wouldnt pick him out as county. Cody requires a lot more than a stickman, walter and jonjo farrell wouldn't get a look in with most managers due to there style of striking but the great man sees something in them, forwards seem quite bare so we will definitely need a suprise package to appear

kk1970

droppingball wrote: »

Kevin Kelly will need to seriously up his workrate to be in the running to start on Codys team, lovely hurler but hust doesnt mix it enough for Cody in my opinion, havent seen enough of bolger as of yet. Brian kennedy needs something to happen for him this year, saw him for club last year and you wouldnt pick him out as county. Cody requires a lot more than a stickman, walter and jonjo farrell wouldn't get a look in with most managers due to there style of striking but the great man sees something in them, forwards seem quite bare so we will definitely need a suprise package to appear

He might need to up the work rate a bit alright but give him a fair crack at it! He played 1 match last year scored 1-09 won motm and was never seen again! As for brian kennedy have you seen young Cody play and star for his club? If Cody wins motm on Sunday you can be sure he will get another crack.

Charlie69

kk1970 wrote: »

He might need to up the work rate a bit alright but give him a fair crack at it! He played 1 match last year scored 1-09 won motm and was never seen again! As for brian kennedy have you seen young Cody play and star for his club? If Cody wins motm on Sunday you can be sure he will get another crack.

Thought Kevin should have seen more game time last year also, and hopefully we will see him make the breakthrough this year with a few good performances in the league. Is he playing Fitzgibbon on Monday or tue though ??

kk1970

Charlie69 wrote: »

Thought Kevin should have seen more game time last year also, and hopefully we will see him make the breakthrough this year with a few good performances in the league. Is he playing Fitzgibbon on Monday or tue though ??

There is 7 or eight of them playing on tuesday

brookville

I think everyone is suprised with the team selection but it's such a competitive competition it's obvious they want to get some early points on the board and not have a repeat of last year.most teams in this division are fielding 8/9 regulars I think us as supporters would of liked to have seen some new faces but it's very early and I'm sure there'll be squad rotation throughout the league . Waterford have also named their strongest team available so hopefully it will be a good game

Cornerback1

brookville wrote: »

I think everyone is suprised with the team selection but it's such a competitive competition it's obvious they want to get some early points on the board and not have a repeat of last year.most teams in this division are fielding 8/9 regulars I think us as supporters would of liked to have seen some new faces but it's very early and I'm sure there'll be squad rotation throughout the league . Waterford have also named their strongest team available so hopefully it will be a good game

I agree but every game is important and when do you get a chance to chance the selection?

Is Bolger not on the bench?

Waterford will want a strong start at home and in the first match. Who will come on and make the difference up front? Buckley can play half back, midfield or half forward but will probably be a 6 in a few years.

Hard to know what goes on at training early in the year. A lot of lads should be sharp enough with the Fitzgibbon running at the same time so they should be sharp enough.

We'll see tomorrow!!

pmy.murphy

kk1970 wrote: »

He might need to up the work rate a bit alright but give him a fair crack at it! He played 1 match last year scored 1-09 won motm and was never seen again! As for brian kennedy have you seen young Cody play and star for his club? If Cody wins motm on Sunday you can be sure he will get another crack.

Yes I agree some players have their flaws but were not going to know whether their going to make it unless their given a chance. Some players such as farrell and mark kelly are given more chances than others and its obviously its not going on training as both quickly disappear off the scene and arent considered as options come the summer when the real hurling starts. That if you ask me is a complete waste of time so others should be given a chance whether they have more potential or not. Id like to see all those new faces on the subs bench given a shot at some stage and at different intervals( obviously not all at once cos thats a gamble) but we wont know whether their up to it or not unless their given the chance. As you said kevin kelly played excellent in the only game he got last year and wasnt seen after which was pretty strange. Using him as an example he should at least be given another chance to see if that was a fluke or not and whether hes really up to it or not. Just using that as an example. Not sure about Brian Kenedy though, id sort of put him in the same boat as farrell and mark kelly. But if theres not too many more defensive options id give him a shot at some stage but we need to unearth forward options so playing farrell and mark kelly the whole time is pointless in that regard.

Topcat32

Very dissapointing performance today to state the obvious. Waterford looked far sharper all through the match and finished the game far stronger from a fitness point of view. Waterford must be at least a month further along with their training and had a good few lads playing Fitzgibbon which probably had a big bearing on the result. Mark Kelly and Jonjoe Farrell will be struggleing to stay on the panel based on today. Strength in depth in the forwards is a bit of a worry at this stage.

blackcard

Topcat32 wrote: »

Very dissapointing performance today to state the obvious. Waterford looked far sharper all through the match and finished the game far stronger from a fitness point of view. Waterford must be at least a month further along with their training and had a good few lads playing Fitzgibbon which probably had a big bearing on the result. Mark Kelly and Jonjoe Farrell will be struggleing to stay on the panel based on today. Strength in depth in the forwards is a bit of a worry at this stage.

I think kk will struggle against Tipp as well. Well off the pace today and Waterford were ten points the better team. Forwards a worry

Topcat32

blackcard wrote: »

I think kk will struggle against Tipp as well. Well off the pace today and Waterford were ten points the better team. Forwards a worry

I think Tipp will be favourites but the style of the match will likely suit Kilkenny more. Playing against Waterfords 7 man defensive style on a pitch like todays with virtually no hurling done for 3 months was always going to be a big ask.

Dick phelan

I'm a Waterford fan but i wouldn't be to worried if i was KK, What was clear was the difference in fitness levels between the two sides today, Once KK get back up to the pace of things there should be a marked improvement, Was it last year you almost got relegated or the year before? Look what happened then come championship time, For me Dublin and Cork are the clear favorites for relegation KK will certainly be in the QF's, once your there that's all that will matter.