Have you a fag?......leads to assault

Pat Mustard

6541 wrote: »

Tip for you all. Personal space is personal space for a reason. Never let anybody that you do not want into it. If some random ask for a fag, hands up straight away, in front of face but enough to get the first punch in.
Always be spatial aware. look for your route out of danger. In short be ready. There is **** on the streets !

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Do you actually live your life like that? What a horrible way to exist.

A guy called Marc McYoung writes on the Five Stages of Violent Crime (among other things). The second stage is called "The Interview", which is what happened when the attacker asked his victim for a cigarette:

Interview

This is where the criminal decides if you are safe to attack.
...

This is one interview you want to fail. If you fail, the assailant decides that he cannot successfully, or easily, attack you. Then if he is a criminal, he will proceed to seek easier prey. In the case of an emotionally upset individual, he will change tactics. For example instead of physically assaulting you he will proceed to stand back and proceed to verbally abuse you. This allows him to 'win' without putting himself at physical risk.

There are five basic types of interviews. The one a criminal uses depends more on his personal style than anything else.

Regular - This is the most common form of interview for muggers. The criminal will approach you under the guise of normalcy, i.e., needing information or small item (e.g. matches). This is a distraction. While he is talking, he is not only getting in position to attack, but a) checking your awareness about what he is doing and b) your commitment to defending yourself.

...

Unfortunately, young people are often targets for assaults, especially late at night and in 'fringe' areas, away from the assistance of others.

It's not nice to have to be careful around people but it's safer than letting the wrong sort of person get in close enough to be able to attack. Being alert is a good thing, especially when approached by a group, late at night.

jeff bingham

The right decision by Augeo's father imo. Sometimes you know a situation is threatening or about to turn violent. You might only have one chance to protect yourself.

RDM_83 again

6541 wrote: »

Tip for you all. Personal space is personal space for a reason. Never let anybody that you do not want into it. If some random ask for a fag, hands up straight away, in front of face but enough to get the first punch in.
Always be spatial aware. look for your route out of danger. In short be ready. There is **** on the streets !

Personally I give anybody approaching me an Ocular Pat Down :cool:

Actual reply: on the flip side having a smoke can be useful, on holidays in EE and encountered some massive locals who were gagging to turn myself and friend into a thin paste, rather than responding in anyway to what they were saying (even when they spoke english to us) just kept giving them smokes until they got bored.
Probably wouldn't have worked on an out and out scumbag but a lot of the time there is a weird thing where they have to feel justified in kicking the head off you so you have to avoid offense at all costs without appearing scared. Kinda like dealing with a large aggressive dog

hatrickpatrick

I know I go on about this, but f*ck it this needs to be said time and time again.

These guys will get next to nothing in terms of jail time or proper punishments. All they will walk away from court with is an affirmation that you can be a complete scumbag in Ireland and you'll get away with it.

I find it quite unfair when people blame the Gardai for lack of action. In my experience, the no-go areas where scumbaggery has a blind eye turned to it are such only because the Gardai got sick of putting in grunt work to track and catch these assholes, only for idiot judges to let them immediately back out to freely roam the streets.

I read an article earlier about a murder in Fairview Park back in the early 80s, in which all perpetrators got suspended sentences - so it would seem that our culture of total impunity for crime is not a recent phenomenon but something ingrained in Irish society. Until this changes, scumbags like these will continue to ruin both the lives of their victims, and the lives of the ordinary people living nearby who have to put up with their area of the city being regarded as "rough" because criminals who operate there are not removed and locked up. :mad:

DFGrange

Pat Mustard wrote: »

It's not nice to have to be careful around people but it's safer than letting the wrong sort of person get in close enough to be able to attack. Being alert is a good thing, especially when approached by a group, late at night.

I'd compare it to how'd you react to a pack of stray dogs. Don't show aggression but don't show fear, keep some distance and don't try pet them.

Bongalongherb

One poster here mentioned 'be spatially aware'. I know what the poor feller is going through especially near christmas. I myself unfortunately wasn't spatially aware a good few years ago and got my jaw broken in two places in Dublin and it was 1 week before christmas but was wired up for 6 weeks having to eat mush-liquid through a straw and beer was the only enjoyment I had.

Nasty thing to happen anyone not being able to talk properly and not being able to eat normal solid food. Nasty experience to go through, so I hope the young lad heals well and hopefully the wires can be removed in time for christmas eve/day, but he will not be able to open his mouth properly for another while longer but it will be enough to fit a potato waffle in just about, that's what I had when I got the wires removed.

I hope they catch the little sh!t that done it to that guy. Well they have CCTV footage I heard so with a bit of luck he will be found and locked up for christmas, Karma.

DEFTLEFTHAND

So much badness out there.

Corpus Twisty

BenedrylPete wrote: »

I think the 'do you have a smoke' thing in certain contexts is a sign youre about to get mugged.

If you answer back they take you for someone who doesnt recognize the situation/has no street smarts and therefore is a good target.

Ive had a situation where i was asked, i replied and an attempted mugging followed.
Made him think twice though, just with some intimidation, no attack took place but hands were raised. No mistake/imagination.

So 'do you have a smoke' in certain contexts might translate as 'are you a soft target'. Ignore the question look for exits and watch your back.

I smoke, and get asked for smokes a lot. I just say no. Yet to be mugged. Even by "scummers" who have asked. Maybe they just want to bum a cigarette?

Youngblood.III

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Thanks, seriously Garda should be stopping groups of wasters about towns and cities late at night (the ones that obviously not out for social reasons)
Stop them, take names and tell them...."anything happens in town tonight we'll be looking for you lot to see if your involved"..can't be that hard.

Yep. We have to get out of the 'politically correct' mindset that has pervaded certain sections of society here and the UK and get back to logic and common sense.

saabsaab

My Dad who had been around a bit ,also used to say that a man/men approaching you asking for 'a light/cigarette/change' is an intention to suss you out for an attack. Advised to keep walking on and say you don't have it...Why bother engaging..

Bongalongherb

Never engage unless there is no way out, just let the legs do the walking and firstly cross the road, the further you are away from the parasite the better. Just never forget to do this if they follow you...

Act weak if they catch up with you and they will question you or talk sh!te for a few seconds and get up close... Give the main one closest to you the biggest kick in the balls they will ever encounter and then run, as the rest of the little sparrows will be afraid to follow you while their boss is lying on the ground grunting and crying like a little girl and looks weak, then make the exit, pull over a cab or hop on the nearest bus, mission accomplished. Doesn't always work though but worth a try.

donegaLroad

I was out for the night in Toronto a few years ago, and a guy visiting from the UK turned around and asked a group of us.. 'sorry, could I bum a fag',

of course that means only one thing in North America, so there was much hilarious hilarity.

Dr. Mantis Toboggan

Yester wrote: »

I get asked for a fag sometimes but I smoke rollies so it's really awkward. I'm not willing to hand over my pouch of tobbaco to a stranger so I end up rolling one for them. This leads us to being in each others company for about 30 seconds or so. Then it comes to the moment when you have to use your tongue to seal the rolly and you are both trying not to make eye contact. Very awkward all round.

I felt awkward even reading that.

Eyre Square is a dump at night. Avoid at all costs. That guy should have known better.

Azalea

Yeah I have heard of the "Sorry, do you have a fag?" thing being code.

Duggy747 wrote: »

Scummers gonna scum and Galway is brutal for unprovoked attacks.

Genuinely surprised to read that about Galway.

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Never been mugged after being asked for a smoke but then again I smoke John Player Blue

Hah, you're a sitting target! To ensure you won't be asked for a fag by a little **** looking for aggro, smoke Silk Cut or Marlboro Lights. :pac:

dd972

valoren wrote: »

About 6 years ago. North Main St in Cork.

I'll always remember his answer to how old he was.

"17th May 1991" - In that high pitched, butter wouldn't melt in my mouth way.

A hard man no more, just a chicken **** cowards with fck all better to do with themselves .

* His 'pals' obviously left him to it with the Guards.

He's a Taurus and a c**t, that must have been some surprise!

Youngblood.III

Youngblood.III wrote: »

what in God's name is wrong with people?

Ah people are not THAT bad. Our media has a lot to answer for - or we the people do for only paying for and consuming that kind of media - for only ever presenting us the horror stories of hate and violence and abuse and rape and pedophilia and more. When one reads the papers or news sites too much one can be left with a horror of the world outside the door as if all humanity is rife with pure evil - and there is a hate crime or a pedo around every corner these days. One of my girlfriends not TOO long ago was even almost raped in the sleepy village of Maynooth and only got out of it due to - unfortunately for him - actually being combat trained.

But then you put the paper down and go out into the real world and see that it has left you with a skewed impression that the world is going down the toilet - when in fact for every horror story the paper brings you there are many 1000s of people leading normal lives wishing no harm on anyone - and wishing nothing but the best for their loved ones.

That said I doubt a "god" has anything to do with it actually, since you asked.

As a man greater than I once said (from memory so sorry if I get it wrong) “Evolution means our pre-frontal lobes are too small - our adrenal glands too big - our reproductive organs apparently designed by committee - and this recipe alone or in combination - is very certain to lead to some unhappiness and disorder.”

We are animals. We are something _else_ too of course - but animals we are. And all too often members of our species are only too happy to demonstrate this. From stories like the one you read - or the one that happened to you - to just simple things like if you walk into the average public toilet and find excrement smeared in ways and places that should be precluded anyone with anything even approaching normal physical capabilities.

And you see it on this very thread. Anger begets anger. Violence begets violence. Hate begets hate. The first port of call for many human brains when confronted with a story like this is "Bring them to the nearest stairs and throw them down". We want to solve every problem with violence or hate - and if you look around all too many threads on this very forum petty problems are met with personal derision - ad hominem - and so forth.

But we can similar to "What is wrong with people" ask "What is wrong with society" too. What leaves us in this state where our youth are so disaffected - bored - devoid of outlets - that they are left roaming with so much misdirected and unchannels frustration and hate in them? And year on year I watch in a mix of awe and horror as funding is moved away from public facilities - education - supports - and more that should be addressing these very things.

I was only 5 minutes before reading this thread watching the Evidence Submission of Brian Cox to a committee on the benefits of increasing funding in science and science education. And he had the facts, figures, and also personal experience from a "failing school" he became involved in and they were all not just positive but remarkably so. From the uptake of science, to the financial and social benefits and returns, right down to the simple rise in self esteem in the students of the facilities. It all punctuated every sentence he uttered in that 40 minutes.

So in short - there is no easy answer to a question like "What is wrong with people". It is a massively complex mix between us essentially still being very much animals - and failings in our society and culture to address many aspects of our miseries - and the simple pressures and hardships of the rat race that is our modern world.

And all of this coupled with the feeling I have long had that we are becoming a steadily more disconnected and insular and introverted world - as modern ways of life - and modern technologies - locks us into our own isolated bubbles of our work place - our vehicles - our media - our communicating more and more with others through screen and keyboard rather than through personal contact. And so on and so forth.

And now any and all actual interactions with people in our very modern world appears to be forever parsed through this new hyper sensitive scanner that seeks to find any and all examples of offence, bigotry, or hate in every word or phrase anyone even utters.

It is a multi-tiered layer cake of horror and failing that goes a lot deeper than there simply being something "wrong with people". And one could very easily lose oneself to despair in the face of it - if the world was not ALSO full of examples of the Love - the Intellect - the Charity - the Self Sacrifice - and the sheer nobility that our species IS capable of attaining when it rises above it's animal origins. What a piece of work is a man! How noble in reason, how infinite in faculty! In form and moving how express and admirable! In action how like an Angel! in apprehension how like a god! The beauty of the world! The paragon of animals!

A user I noticed on another After Hours thread yesterday - motivated mainly by religion and ignorance - was deriding the utility of things like CERN. For me CERN moves me to tears at times. The sheer coming together of human minds from all races - sexes - creeds - nationalities - in a joint human enterprise of discovery that transcends all petty human differences - is a beauty that for me is capable of rivalling any other in our universe.

Crap sorry - that was a TLDR tirade. I wonder if anyone actually read it.

Youngblood.III

No....a broken jaw for nothing is scummy and wrong, simple.

Azalea

Azalea wrote: »

Genuinely surprised to read that about Galway.

Me too as it happens. I go there quite a bit to see gigs in the Roisin Dubh as it is quite easy to get to from where I live in Maynooth.

When I travel alone I tend to get the cheapest of hostelry as I do not like wasting money on a bed I only need for a few hours by going up market.

So I have been around that area quite a lot at varying times from 11pm to 3am depending what times the gigs ended - who if anyone I talked to after wards - or whether I got food or not.

Been through that area - around it - sat in it eating chips - all sorts. And never once saw trouble or had any visited upon me.

Youngblood.III wrote: »

No....a broken jaw for nothing is scummy and wrong, simple.

I did not suggest otherwise - so I am not totally clear on what you are saying "no" to. Or did you mean your reply for someone else? Confused.

drugstore cowboy

About a decade back I was assaulted for not having a ciggie to give a guy. While getting myself back on my feet dazed & shocked the guys girlfriend stamped on my left hand with her stiletto boot shattering my hand.

10 years on I still have pain in my left hand leading me to at times having to take both over the counter and prescription pain killers. Cold days is when it really gets sore. All because I didn't have a fag

My heart goes out to anyone who gets done over like I was.

6541

A couple of years ago I was sucker punched from the side when walking down a street in Mayo. When I hit the ground I got a number of kicks to the head.
The result was a very badly broken nose, broken fingers on both hands. I have since taken up MMA and I dare some scrotes to try something like that on me again.

drugstore cowboy

6541 wrote: »

A couple of years ago I was sucker punched from the side when walking down a street in Mayo. When I hit the ground I got a number of kicks to the head.
The result was a very badly broken nose, broken fingers on both hands. I have since taken up MMA and I dare some scrotes to try something like that on me again.

For a while after my assault I felt very edgy out at night, glad you got over your incident and turned it into something positive.

6541

6541 wrote: »

A couple of years ago I was sucker punched from the side when walking down a street in Mayo. When I hit the ground I got a number of kicks to the head.
The result was a very badly broken nose, broken fingers on both hands.

Whats the going rate in Court if the guy got caught and charged with GBH?

bigroad

Any one know what the different levels of Gbh are.
When does it go to attempted murder causing Gbh.
What is the lowest to the highest .
A guy I know was attacked a few weeks ago by 8 scum dancing and jumping on his head.
The boss of the gang came back to give him up to ten kicks to try and finish him off.
He is alive but in a very bad way with brain damage.
As far as am concerned the scum should be charged with attempted murder causing Gbh.

Pat Mustard

GBH is a term used in the UK but it is not a term which is used in Irish law.

In Ireland, there is assault, assault causing harm and assault causing serious harm.

See here.

mikeym

It happened to me years ago and lucky for me there was a Garda that saw what happened.

Im totally a non violent person and I think its pretty low for someone to do that.

bigroad

Pat Mustard wrote: »

GBH is a term used in the UK but it is not a term which is used in Irish law.

In Ireland, there is assault, assault causing harm and assault causing serious harm.

See here.

Thanks Pat I will have a look.

keithclancy

draiochtanois wrote: »

This post has been deleted.

Well in fairness the usual punishment is to tell them they were very bad and give them a suspended sentence.

Meanwhile the person they attacked is affected possibly for the rest of their lives.

Perhaps if they experienced what they doled out they would be less likely to do it again.

Galwayguy35

Azalea wrote: »

Genuinely surprised to read that about Galway.

Ah it's no better or worse than anywhere else really I think.

Everywhere has a few scumbags looking for trouble.

Galwayguy35

Got nutted myself about 20 years ago in an unprovoked assault, never even saw it coming and was left with a broken nose afterwards.

From reading the posts here it seems to happen quite a bit.

Galwayguy35

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Got nutted myself about 20 years ago in an unprovoked assault, never even saw it coming and was left with a broken nose afterwards.

From reading the posts here it seems to happen quite a bit.

Thats the kind of thing that should get six months instantly.

Doesn't seem to happen though.

Maybe thats why such antics seem to happen quite a a lot.

bigroad

Has anyone watched the joy on tv3.
I have to say what a joke of a prison.
These scum should be doing hard labour instead of getting their new teeth or their fav program on tv.
football training ,shop,education.ect ect its a joke of a country.

XR3i

that story rings a bell

a bandit tried to mug me outside that woodquay stores at 11 on a tuesday morning, in broad daylight

i was labouring for a builder at the time,and while the ****er was a bit bigger than me he looked like he never done a days work in his life or ate a right dinner,

i threw him around woodquay like a rag-doll,

a squad-car landed within 2 minutes

Boom_Bap

One night about 15 years ago, out down the town in Dundalk at some nightclub. There was a group of about 10 or so of us, and we knew most of the other people in the club as we were pretty social folk back in them days.
There was a group of lads there as well that we knew as being trouble. We'd seen the starting random fights, breaking into houses, robbing cars over the years, so we knew to give them a nod and plenty of distance.
They all got kicked out of the nightclub for some reason, i don't recall why. Later that night as the club empties and we start to make our way to the taxi rank, we had to pass the group of lads who were hanging around outside on the square.
As we walked by, they asked me for a smoke. I was just taking one out of my box at the time, so I said 'sure thing' and gave them one.
Another lad with us had just lit one up and was taking a drag, the leader of the gang grabbed it out of his hand, the lad was starting to say something and I told him to leave it and gave him, and the thugs another smoke.
We walk on, our group passes them with no more hassle.

When the next group of people start to pass by the f*ckers, all hell broke lose. A fight broke out, which got very violent very quickly. More people joined in.
Then more people joined in. Glasses were smashed and used as weapons, all sorts of stuff being thrown through the air. Me and my group legged it to the taxi rank and got into cabs. We noticed a few stragglers from other groups of friends who were in the nightclub, we assembled them into our taxis and got them home with us.
I even stopped one girl trying to go back into the middle of the full blown riot to get her boyfriend.
That was one of the craziest nights i've experienced.

As we were pulling away, cars and vans were pulling up with more people jumping out of them with weapons. Apparently the fracas continued for another while and cars were damaged and ended on the other side of the town.

bigroad

bigroad wrote: »

Has anyone watched the joy on tv3.
I have to say what a joke of a prison.
These scum should be doing hard labour instead of getting their new teeth or their fav program on tv.
football training ,shop,education.ect ect its a joke of a country.

There's a case reported today where a guy was convicted of stealing headstones etc from graves. Judge went on about how terrible it was for those who had lost loved ones, children etc and sentenced him to 3 years on each of eight charges to run concurrently.

Ok, I thought, three years and nothing suspended is still a fair enough sentence.

But then the judge announced that the guy was in jail at present serving four years for another crime. So he backdated the start of the three years sentences and made them run concurrently with his present jail sentence.

So essentially the guy, an obviously habitual criminal, got off scot free.

The Irish justice system is cockeyed. If somebody burgles your house, they'll get off (as in no serious penalty) the first several times they get convicted. But if somebody slips on your floor...it will cost you 20k.

Have these summers being caught yet?

Hopefully theyv'e been run over by a bus

Boskowski

Deleted User wrote: »

A user I noticed on another After Hours thread yesterday - motivated mainly by religion and ignorance - was deriding the utility of things like CERN. For me CERN moves me to tears at times. The sheer coming together of human minds from all races - sexes - creeds - nationalities - in a joint human enterprise of discovery that transcends all petty human differences - is a beauty that for me is capable of rivalling any other in our universe.

You won't be saying that on the day they burn a black hole into this planet's core.

Only joking, well said btw, thanks.

bigroad

Is it possible that we could get the public to have a march for change in the justice system a the government are doing nothing because they wont build more prisons.
I think there is a connection between not building a new prison and the legal system keeping their revolving door policy.
Are they afraid they will be down a 100k or something.

Corpus Twisty

drugstore cowboy wrote: »

About a decade back I was assaulted for not having a ciggie to give a guy. While getting myself back on my feet dazed & shocked the guys girlfriend stamped on my foot with her stiletto boot shattering my hand.

10 years on I still have pain in my left hand leading me to at times having to take both over the counter and prescription pain killers. Cold days is when it really gets sore. All because I didn't have a fag

My heart goes out to anyone who gets done over like I was.

Asked for a fag plenty of times, never a hint of aggro.

Though I guess I'm usually asked in smoking areas, or near other smokers, as opposed to when walking down some random street.

And if walking home alone in a city, I kinda do that head up walk quickly thing...ever since I read years ago that they tend to target the fellows staring down or shuffling.

topmanamillion

Youngblood.III wrote: »

Thanks, seriously Garda should be stopping groups of wasters about towns and cities late at night (the ones that obviously not out for social reasons)
Stop them, take names and tell them...."anything happens in town tonight we'll be looking for you lot to see if your involved"..can't be that hard.

While i agree with your sentiment, there just isn't the resources to go around randomly questioning every shifty character in a city and even an unlimited budget wouldn't achieve it.
People themselves can take steps to prevent things likes this. I'm not in anyway condoning this disgusting act or placing blame on victims.
But I think adults need to take responsibility for their own safety and as depressing as it is we have to realise there are people out there who want to do us harm for no reason at all. By doing simple things like planing transport. home before someone heads out, avoid loitering on streets after nights out and sticking with friends, people reduce their chances of things like this happening.

bigroad

bigroad wrote: »

I think there is a connection between not building a new prison and the legal system keeping their revolving door policy.

Building and operating a prison are great for employment. We have had worse employment schemes that didn't have any benefits for society.

drugstore cowboy

Corpus Twisty wrote: »

oops

she stamped on my hand!

Azalea

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

Ah it's no better or worse than anywhere else really I think.

Everywhere has a few scumbags looking for trouble.

Some places have more of that kinda trouble than others though. It's definitely not spread evenly. I'm not very familiar with Galway and its surrounds for sure, but I've really noticed a lack of scumminess there when I do visit.

MonkieSocks

I was sitting at home one evening when the doorbell rang.

When I answered the door, there was a 6 foot tall Cockroach just standing there.

He punched me on the nose and scampered off.







Apparently there’s a nasty bug going around.

demanufactured

bigroad wrote: »

Any one know what the different levels of Gbh are.
When does it go to attempted murder causing Gbh.
What is the lowest to the highest .
A guy I know was attacked a few weeks ago by 8 scum dancing and jumping on his head.
The boss of the gang came back to give him up to ten kicks to try and finish him off.
He is alive but in a very bad way with brain damage.
As far as am concerned the scum should be charged with attempted murder causing Gbh.

Charged?!?
They should be thrown into a river with cement shoes...

RedemptionZ

P4DDY2K11 wrote: »

What a fúcking mental existence. Think you need to grow up a bit!

Nothing to do with growing up, I have a pretty bad anxiety disorder and am like that all the time when I go outside or places with people, even moreso if there's alcohol involved, always looking over my shoulder for potential trouble and making myself leave situations that I could enjoy and are probably harmless out of fear. Might seem mental but that's life for some people and when you hear about assaults like this I think it makes it a little easier to understand.

demanufactured

[Deleted User] wrote: »

There's a case reported today where a guy was convicted of stealing headstones etc from graves. Judge went on about how terrible it was for those who had lost loved ones, children etc and sentenced him to 3 years on each of eight charges to run concurrently.

Ok, I thought, three years and nothing suspended is still a fair enough sentence.

But then the judge announced that the guy was in jail at present serving four years for another crime. So he backdated the start of the three years sentences and made them run concurrently with his present jail sentence.

So essentially the guy, an obviously habitual criminal, got off scot free.

The Irish justice system is cockeyed. If somebody burgles your house, they'll get off (as in no serious penalty) the first several times they get convicted. But if somebody slips on your floor...it will cost you 20k.

Nope...If some little scrote breaks into my house they are in trouble...not by me...not by my wife...by the 2 rottweilers that live there..And if they slip and break a bone...I'll make sure to break another for good measure. ...call me macho or whatever you want. ....I can't stand scum. ..and I own my house. ..I worked hard for it. ...no one is going to make me feel unsafe in a building I own.

Augme

bigroad wrote: »

Is it possible that we could get the public to have a march for change in the justice system a the government are doing nothing because they wont build more prisons.
I think there is a connection between not building a new prison and the legal system keeping their revolving door policy.
Are they afraid they will be down a 100k or something.

Where will the money come for these prisons? The public generally aren't happy when they have to pay more tax.

bigroad

Augme wrote: »

Where will the money come for these prisons? The public generally aren't happy when they have to pay more tax.

The Government have plenty of cash ,its just wasted. I will start with the free legal aid that's wasted on these repeat offenders. Gardaí man hours is another one.

Piriz

bigroad wrote: »

Any one know what the different levels of Gbh are.
When does it go to attempted murder causing Gbh.
What is the lowest to the highest .
A guy I know was attacked a few weeks ago by 8 scum dancing and jumping on his head.
The boss of the gang came back to give him up to ten kicks to try and finish him off.
He is alive but in a very bad way with brain damage.
As far as am concerned the scum should be charged with attempted murder causing Gbh.

was that the guy in Crumlin? i read a story about it in the Indo, f'in awful..