Times report - RTE considering sublicencing sports rights

icdg

No one would have bid if such a stipulation was put on it, and the aim of RTE sublicensing was to earn more money for RTE.

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

No one would have bid if such a stipulation was put on it, and the aim of RTE sublicensing was to earn more money for RTE.

So this goes back to what are RTÉ going to do with this windfall, will it be invest back into RTÉ2 for programme making will RTÉ2 see an increase in audience share?

I think both RTÉ2 & TV3 will be lucky to get a 10% share of the audience during the 2 or so months that the Euros are on, basing it on the audience shares of both during the RWC.

The Cush

Article from a few weeks ago on the RTÉ/TV3 Euro2016 TV rights agreement - http://svgeurope.org/blog/headlines/on-the-ball-groundbreaking-collaboration-between-rte-and-tv3-for-uefa-euro-2016-coverage/

STB.

icdg wrote: »

No one would have bid if such a stipulation was put on it, and the aim of RTE sublicensing was to earn more money for RTE.

The aim of sublicensing wasn't to make money alone. RTE have a deficit for sure. They also have shed a load of staff in recent years, yet they have a lot of sporting events that coincide in 2016. For sure it would have cost a lot to staff and broadcast these events, but they don't have the staff resources to cover it all

On top of the election and 1916 coverage this year, they still have sporting rights for GAA Hurling and Football Leagues & Championships, the Allianz League highlights, Champions League, UEFA EURO 2016 Finals, RBS 6 Nations 2016, considerable Horse Racing commitments both in UK & Ireland, full coverage of the Olympics in RIO 2016.

The Dark Knight

The Cush wrote: »

Article from a few weeks ago on the RTÉ/TV3 Euro2016 TV rights agreement - http://svgeurope.org/blog/headlines/on-the-ball-groundbreaking-collaboration-between-rte-and-tv3-for-uefa-euro-2016-coverage/

Thanks for that.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a clean, semi-dirty and dirty feed?
Assume it's in relation to Graphics (ie BBC always have a clean feed), but just interested in the details.

The Cush

STB. wrote: »

On top of the election and 1916 coverage this year, they still have sporting rights for GAA Hurling and Football Leagues & Championships, the Allianz League highlights, Champions League, UEFA EURO 2016 Finals, RBS 6 Nations 2016, considerable Horse Racing commitments both in UK & Ireland, full coverage of the Olympics in RIO 2016.

And lets not forget "Big Week on the Farm" which started earlier this evening

icdg

The Dark Knight wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a clean, semi-dirty and dirty feed?
Assume it's in relation to Graphics (ie BBC always have a clean feed), but just interested in the details.

Clean feed normally means no graphics. The BBC normally like to use this, but aren't always given the choice (Formula One requires all broadcasters to take the World Feed and the BBC had to comply Or Else).

"Semi clean" (I had never heard it described as "semi dirty" before, but I presume it amounts to the same) will take some but not all of the graphical elements.

The dirty feed is the World Feed usually and will have all graphical elements (and usually commentary in English for those that want it).

PabloAndRoy

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ would reduce carriage costs on saorview. No HD no Deal.

Surely TV3 HD on Saorview would threaten RTE viewer figures. OK RTE's own broadcast fees (to themselves in effect) would reduce, but would that not be offset by loss of viewers maybe. So does RTE not have a vested interest in TV3 remaining SD on Saorview?

Maybe its only me who avoids TV3 primarily because of its awful SD broadcast. Often Occasionally I see on the EPG a show that sounds interesting, but I just can't bring myself to watch the terrible quality. Or is that just me?

Dodge

Not just you and I still don't see why anyone thinks RTE should ensure a competitor improves their service?

STB.

The Dark Knight wrote: »

Thanks for that.
Can anyone tell me the difference between a clean, semi-dirty and dirty feed?
Assume it's in relation to Graphics (ie BBC always have a clean feed), but just interested in the details.

Clean; No Graphics/audio feed with stadium/crowd noise.

Dirty; On Screen graphics such as clock/DOG and a mixed audio of commentary and crowd.

RTE for example
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=96462186&postcount=31

Elmo

Dodge wrote: »

Not just you and I still don't see why anyone thinks RTE should ensure a competitor improves their service?

because it would have the knock on effect of reducing costs for RTE. It would allow TG4 and UTV to go HD at a lower rate, reduce the costs for OTV and 3e and possibly Irish TV.

ultimately it might help Irish TV channels improve their audience share. Though HD wont do that alone. it might provide viewers/consumers with more choice

but hey if both TV3 and RTE want to cut their noses of despite their faces let them.

Dodge

Elmo wrote: »

because it would have the knock on effect of reducing costs for RTE. It would allow TG4 and UTV to go HD at a lower rate, reduce the costs for OTV and 3e and possibly Irish TV.

ultimately it might help Irish TV channels improve their audience share. Though HD wont do that alone. it might provide viewers/consumers with more choice

but hey if both TV3 and RTE want to cut their noses of despite their faces let them.

RTE not allowing TV3 to sublicence the EUROs without HD would not have any of that effect. Come on now

Elmo

Dodge wrote: »

RTE not allowing TV3 to sublicence the EUROs without HD would not have any of that effect. Come on now

It would insure that TV3 HD would go HD and then the knock on effect of reducing the cost of carriage for other channels. perhaps the likelyhood of TG4 going HD on Saorview. reducing the cost for OTV which is what the TDs have wanted for so long.

Clearly TV3 HD would have to become apart of Saorview for a number of years after the Euros. BTW TV3 have said that they would need to have an SD version of TV3 on Saorview and that consumers would need new equipment!

Dodge

Elmo wrote: »

It would insure that TV3 HD would go HD

Or TV3 says no deal and RTE can't off load some of the costs. RTE were in no real position to push that.

Elmo

Dodge wrote: »

Or TV3 says no deal and RTE can't off load some of the costs. RTE were in no real position to push that.

TV3 are desperate to increase their audience share they only have about 7% of the market. Euros gives them a major boost. Imagine it was very late in the day when RTE proposed this idea.

PabloAndRoy

Elmo wrote: »

It would insure that TV3 HD would go HD and then the knock on effect of reducing the cost of carriage for other channels. perhaps the likelyhood of TG4 going HD on Saorview. reducing the cost for OTV which is what the TDs have wanted for so long.

Clearly TV3 HD would have to become apart of Saorview for a number of years after the Euros. BTW TV3 have said that they would need to have an SD version of TV3 on Saorview and that consumers would need new equipment!

Do you have a source for that?

Elmo

PabloAndRoy wrote: »

Do you have a source for that?

Today FM the last word just before the start of the RWC 2016.

icdg

Look, the TV3 on Saorview debate is something that comes up over and over again, it's not really on topic for this thread or really this forum at all, and tends to go round and round in circles anyway. Maybe the next post might talk about RTE sublicensing sports rights

rsh118

I feel for anyone who thinks RTE is ****e. You should spend a day watching TVNZ to see just how truly awful a nation of 4.5m can make their national broadcaster.

RTE kicks the pants off most national broadcasters, seriously you have no idea how good you've got it.

icdg

We'll try that again...

Elmo

icdg wrote: »

We'll try that again...

I think we were more on topic

iseegirls

Wonder what the process is regarding the round of 16 and quarter finals. Is it a case of RTE having first pick, TV3 second pick etc..

Elmo

iseegirls wrote: »

Wonder what the process is regarding the round of 16 and quarter finals. Is it a case of RTE having first pick, TV3 second pick etc..

I think that is the case. RTE will decide what they want and TV3 will get the rest.

The Cush

iseegirls wrote: »

Wonder what the process is regarding the round of 16 and quarter finals. Is it a case of RTE having first pick, TV3 second pick etc..

This is what RTÉ has said, but we don't know if they have the first 5 choices in the round of 16 and first 2 choices in the QFs or alternate picks, RTÉ, TV3, RTÉ etc.

RTÉ will retain first choice on matches in the knockout stages and will broadcast a highlights programme on each night of the tournament.

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0303/772349-rte-agrees-euro-2016-sub-licence-with-tv3/

daveirl

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icdg

This thread isn't the place for that debate

Elmo

daveirl wrote: »

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Not a place but just a correction. NZ On Air/Public Broadcasting is funded via direct taxation in NZ.

icdg

Look, if people want to talk about the rights and wrongs of the licence fee and alternative methods of funding RTE, be my guest. It'd be an interesting thread. Just don't use a thread about sports rights to do it