2016 RTE Drama: Rebellion - no spoilers please (mod warning in post #1)

KingBrian2

josephryan1989 wrote: »

The choice of Rebellion is apt as a second series would probably cover 1917-1921 when the rebels are released from prison, Sinn Féin starts organizing for the 1918 election, the Conscription Crisis and the War of Independence breaks out in 1919 and continues until 1921. I would imagine if the brothers Jimmy and Arthur Mahon survive the Rising they later join the IRA, take part in assassinations and go down the country to organize flying columns which gives the writers to introduce people like Dan Breen, Tom Barry and Ernie O'Malley. Harry Butler and Stephen Duffy Lyons become converts to Republicanism and rub shoulders as fictional elected politicians with real figures such as Eamon De Valera, Michael Collins and others.

A third series would probably show how brother is against brother and old friends and comrades part over the Treaty and turn on each other and how the survivors are embittered and guilt ridden and disappointed with the Free State. The anti-Treaty characters will see themselves as rebels once again and the Pro-Treaty characters will take the same view as the British did in the first series.

The female characters unfortunately will end up taking supporting roles because the female participants in the War of Independence and Civil War played the role of nurses, cooks, weapon and message couriers and brave widows rather than public speakers, politicians, assassins and military commanders. Frances, Elizabeth and May are just inevitably going to be the squeeze of one or other of the male characters as they fight together and fall out over politics.

A little irritated they did not depict the 1913 Lockout more than was on offer. I know there had been some shows about it decades ago but I would have liked them give that event a good update. Bloody Sunday, Larkin dressing as a women and sneaking into the Imperial Hotel. I mean the material writes itself.

josephryan1989

Strazdas wrote: »

One thing that hasn't been directly alluded to in the script is that Elizabeth and her family are Anglo Irish Protestants, which is an interesting angle to the story : she's motivated primarily by her socialist beliefs.

Socialists or Anglo-Irish Protestants who were Irish revolutionaries were relegated to the fringes when middle class Catholics swelled the ranks and were basically written out of the narrative because they didn't fit into the Irish Nationalist Catholic orthodoxy and triumphalism which took over subsequently.

josephryan1989

KingBrian2 wrote: »

A little irritated they did not depict the 1913 Lockout more than was on offer. I know there had been some shows about it decades ago but I would have liked them give that event a good update. Bloody Sunday, Larkin dressing as a women and sneaking into the Imperial Hotel. I mean the material writes itself.

You are right.
The Lockout as well as the Home Rule Crisis is a key event which radicalized Connolly and his followers toward physical force socialist republicanism.
The business tycoon and politician William Martin Murphy, a key Home Rule supporter, was the enemy of both Connolly, the radical socialist, and Pearse, who saw him as the epitome of the Anglicized Ireland he wanted to replace with a purified Gaelic Catholic Ireland.
The series neglected to explain this background by simply focusing narrowly on the outbreak of World War I instead before jumping forward to the eve of the Rising.

kabakuyu

Not just civilians looting.Some of the biggest looters were British Army members, staff officers were concerned with the level of looting by troops and wanted the looted goods returned.It was remarked that they would have been shot if they had been in France.

Robert Barton who arrived in Dublin shortly after the rising started is portrayed in the series by the cop from L/H.

http://www.bureauofmilitaryhistory.ie/reels/bmh/BMH.WS0979.pdf

lukin

Execution Amon Goeth style that was.

The guy who is playing Collins may have the accent, but im not sure he can bring the charisma or personality to the role that Brendan Gleeson or Liam Neeson did

Dev the ould cowardly cute hoor shirking. Now there's a surprise.

Steppenwolfe

I presume that was the pacifist Francis Sheehy Skeffington that was 'executed' there. No explanation what so ever?

Civil Joe

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

I presume that was the pacifist Francis Sheehy Skeffington that was 'executed' there. No explanation what so ever?

It's very poor tbh. Confusing, trite and de facto revisionist

Steppenwolfe

Steppenwolfe wrote: »

I presume that was the pacifist Francis Sheehy Skeffington that was 'executed' there. No explanation what so ever?

No and given the sacrifice this man made it is really bad form. Perhaps though they could have executed many unknowns?

PeterTheEighth

Hardly morning sickness now is it. I wish they were a bit more subtle, I mean the audience are not complete idiots.

lukin

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

Hardly morning sickness now is it. I wish they were a bit more subtle, I mean the audience are not complete idiots.

Yeah that's what I thought too.Sure she only found out she was pregnant last week.

iguana

Strazdas wrote: »

One thing that hasn't been directly alluded to in the script is that Elizabeth and her family are Anglo Irish Protestants, which is an interesting angle to the story : she's motivated primarily by her socialist beliefs.

I thought they were Catholic and Stephen is CoI. Theirs is to be a mixed religion marriage and her uncle was going to marry them in the CoI Trinity Church and I was under the impression he said he had to get special permission to do so (as a Catholic).

buckfasterer

Is it annoying anyone else that they haven't tried to age any of the exterior shots?

PeterTheEighth

buckfasterer wrote: »

Is it annoying anyone else that they haven't tried to age any of the exterior shots?

I thought they should have at least edited out the spire.

Baggy Trousers

This is awful stuff. Getting harder and harder to watch. All over the place.

PeterTheEighth

I reckon that young messenger lad is about to end up on Joe Duffy's list.

Undergod

Is it me or does it feel like they've skipped an episode? There's loads of stuff going on that hasn't been explained.

There is quite an unnatural reaction to the whole rebellion. no sense of panic or urgency. Its a real bugbear with this series.

Liz's brother becoming more irritating by the second. Fair City wont touch him at this rate

buckfasterer

So they stopped everything they were doing to sing the anthem......in English no less.....ok....

PeterTheEighth

What was his name again



*thumbs through pages*

Heraldoffreeent

buckfasterer wrote: »

So they stopped everything they were doing to sing the anthem......in English no less.....ok....

The Irish version wasn't written until 1923.

lukin

And this cost 6 million?It's hard to see where it was spent.

neris

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I reckon that young messenger lad is about to end up on Joe Duffy's list.

Ca-ching

BabysCoffee

I'm not too impressed by the Gleeson lad's acting. Think his brother is far superior.

PeterTheEighth

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I reckon that young messenger lad is about to end up on Joe Duffy's list.

it do be teddible altagedder when d'do be little childidirin getting the bullits inti d'arms and legs.

TCDStudent1

PeterTheEighth wrote: »

I thought they should have at least edited out the spire.

Was the spire in it??? I didn't notice

Baggy Trousers

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I'm not too impressed by the Gleeson lad's acting. Think his brother is far superior.

After watching Star Wars recently and the Revenant yesterday, I am not convinced.

gandalf

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I'm not too impressed by the Gleeson lad's acting. Think his brother is far superior.

To be fair if the script and production value is **** there's not much he can do with it!

lukin

BabysCoffee wrote: »

I'm not too impressed by the Gleeson lad's acting. Think his brother is far superior.

Working with Leo di Caprio and Tom Hardy is a help I'd imagine ☺